NathanielJohn

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  1. I just discovered that this user makes an excellent overview of all ps plus games and their trophy list characteristics. Have been looking for that for ages. You are awesome, hope you keep it up!

    1. NathanielJohn

      NathanielJohn

      Thanks, glad it's helpful!

  2. is that trophy wiki yours

     

    my dream is an instant game collection/ps+/whatever we call it now list with the same info as the flash sale from this weekend

    1. NathanielJohn

      NathanielJohn

      Yep, trophy wiki is mine. And I've started doing the same thing for IGC games too. Last month's post is here:

      https://www.psntrophywiki.org/wiki/PSNTrophyWiki:News/2017-09-27-playstation-plus-october-2017

       

      All-time list is here:

       

      https://www.psntrophywiki.org/wiki/Playstation_Plus

       

      I'll be posting the info on PSNP from now on too when the IGC announcement threads happen too.

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  3. You are a savage like me.  I love it LMAO

    1. NathanielJohn

      NathanielJohn

      Haha yeah. I always give people the benefit of the doubt at first, so when I find out that not only did they 100% for sure cheat on the game in question, but they have *regularly* been cheating for 7 years, I get annoyed ;)

  4. I believe you owe me an apology for slandering me to look like a cheater, in collaboration with @grimydawg.

    https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/48508-gionascm2s-dispute/?do=findComment&comment=1315532

     

    You platted DR2 OTR so you must be familiar with the trophies.

    http://www.playstationtrophies.org/game/dead-rising-2-off-the-record/guide/

    The very bottom of the trophy guide RECOMMENDS playing co-op in someone's save to earn the trophies easily (and legitimately).

     

    So why did you "out" me? Are you really that new to trophy hunting, or are you really naive enough to think it's considered cheating? Genuinely curious.

     

    @Sly Ripper  You should review this case. I've been unjustly flagged and labelled as a cheater by these two users.

    1. NathanielJohn

      NathanielJohn

      Why not create a new dispute thread with the information that you posted here? If you actually *explain* things rather than just tossing insults around, people (like me) are happy to back you up. I don't know where/how grimydawg got that screenshot, but it was taken horribly out of context.

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  5. Some commentary on your earlier remark in a dispute thread. This was your original post: 

    A lot of people approach this issue from the perspective of "we need to catch as many guilty people as possible", when really we should (IMO) be approaching this from the perspective of "we need to avoid incriminating innocent people whenever possible".

     

    Yes, whitelisting games like Black Ops 2 lets more cheaters on the leaderboard. And? The leaderboard is already filled with teams playing on a single account and CFW hackers who have the basic IQ required to check a trophy guide and pop trophies in the correct order. No one is going to surge to the top of the leaderboards and ruin their apparent sanctity because they hacked 5-10 whitelisted games.

     

    I'd much rather 1000 hackers go up the leaderboard by 50 spots than even 1 legitimate and honest trophy hunter gets flagged because someone popped trophies for them and their first response wasn't "whelp, guess I should delete my entire PS3 profile then so that forum users 4 years from now don't accuse me of cheating."
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    Point one. This site is already coming at it from a perspective that we should not incriminate innocent people. This is why they have the option to dispute their flags by providing evidence to a crowd of people who have played the game too and can estimate the truth about someone's claims. 

     

    Point two. It's not about letting more cheaters on the leaderboard at all. It's about setting up a standard to hold onto. If you give everyone the benefit if the doubt for the claim that someone hacked a lobby and therefore you got comprimised, then we clear all of them and it opens the room for people to cheat away without ever being punished. I'm afraid that this is not how this works. Because not only would it flood the gates on a particular game, it would flood the gates on multiple games. 
    Also, the argument that there are already cheaters therefore "and?" is a very selfish and poor one. Cheaters are cheaters. You don't just act indifferent or allow them bceause there are already many cheaters anyway. 

     

    Point three: You do not know who is honest and who isn't. You miss the point entirely. People can claim all day that they have been comprimised by some evil hacker giving them trophies for free so they will have to put that game away on psnprofiles. How will you determine who is lying and who is not? You can't and you won't. And that definitely makes it not alright to in fact open arms to everyone who is the "victim" of people popping trophies for them without wanting it. Especially since players on this website have the ability to hide two flagged games, which is more than enough before getting deleted from the leaderboard. It's a great system. Because it allows for these kinds of freak accidents to happen. You lose one game on your profile. This is a fair price in comparison to giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, no? 

    It's very simple. If you can not prove you have been comprimised, then at least you can hide it. People should not be unflagged because of claims, only because of proof. 

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      Therefore, all the stories should according to your logic be believed as psnprofiles can never prove the guilt of someone.

       

      Again, no. My argument is that games where hackers unlock other people's trophies for them without their consent should not be flagged. Period. Stop trying to slippery slope my argument.

       

      There are already games (like LBP2 and Sound Shapes) where we ignore auto-pop timestamps because there's a reasonable explanation for them. Adding more games to the list would not suddenly allow excuses to be made for every single game.

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  6. Some commentary on your earlier remark in a dispute thread. This was your original post: 

    A lot of people approach this issue from the perspective of "we need to catch as many guilty people as possible", when really we should (IMO) be approaching this from the perspective of "we need to avoid incriminating innocent people whenever possible".

     

    Yes, whitelisting games like Black Ops 2 lets more cheaters on the leaderboard. And? The leaderboard is already filled with teams playing on a single account and CFW hackers who have the basic IQ required to check a trophy guide and pop trophies in the correct order. No one is going to surge to the top of the leaderboards and ruin their apparent sanctity because they hacked 5-10 whitelisted games.

     

    I'd much rather 1000 hackers go up the leaderboard by 50 spots than even 1 legitimate and honest trophy hunter gets flagged because someone popped trophies for them and their first response wasn't "whelp, guess I should delete my entire PS3 profile then so that forum users 4 years from now don't accuse me of cheating."
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    Point one. This site is already coming at it from a perspective that we should not incriminate innocent people. This is why they have the option to dispute their flags by providing evidence to a crowd of people who have played the game too and can estimate the truth about someone's claims. 

     

    Point two. It's not about letting more cheaters on the leaderboard at all. It's about setting up a standard to hold onto. If you give everyone the benefit if the doubt for the claim that someone hacked a lobby and therefore you got comprimised, then we clear all of them and it opens the room for people to cheat away without ever being punished. I'm afraid that this is not how this works. Because not only would it flood the gates on a particular game, it would flood the gates on multiple games. 
    Also, the argument that there are already cheaters therefore "and?" is a very selfish and poor one. Cheaters are cheaters. You don't just act indifferent or allow them bceause there are already many cheaters anyway. 

     

    Point three: You do not know who is honest and who isn't. You miss the point entirely. People can claim all day that they have been comprimised by some evil hacker giving them trophies for free so they will have to put that game away on psnprofiles. How will you determine who is lying and who is not? You can't and you won't. And that definitely makes it not alright to in fact open arms to everyone who is the "victim" of people popping trophies for them without wanting it. Especially since players on this website have the ability to hide two flagged games, which is more than enough before getting deleted from the leaderboard. It's a great system. Because it allows for these kinds of freak accidents to happen. You lose one game on your profile. This is a fair price in comparison to giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, no? 

    It's very simple. If you can not prove you have been comprimised, then at least you can hide it. People should not be unflagged because of claims, only because of proof. 

    1. NathanielJohn

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      You see according to your logic, everyone can go free. Actually, reporting cheaters is something that should not happen at all and you know why? Everyone can say that someone else did it. My sister cheated, it was not me. My brother hacked the lobby, I was on vacation. You see, the different between an actual court is that they would be able to check these claims. This site can't and thus it must remain rigurous in its rightful standard. You don't get unflagged if you don't provide proof that your timestamps (which are proven impossible) are to be earned in a legit way.

       

      Feel free to disagree with me all you want, but please do not misrepresent my position like this. In all of the situations you described, hacking took place on the account. There's a world of difference between that and someone playing an online game and a hacker halfway across the world pops trophies for them without their consent.

       

      And I've never said anything about court. I'm not saying this site should be like court. I'm saying that if there's a non-hacking, non-cheating (and to cover the text quoted above: non-account-sharing) explanation for why timestamps are the way they are, then we should accept it. Period. We should not say "well yeah, that *could* explain your timestamps, but prove it."

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  7. Some commentary on your earlier remark in a dispute thread. This was your original post: 

    A lot of people approach this issue from the perspective of "we need to catch as many guilty people as possible", when really we should (IMO) be approaching this from the perspective of "we need to avoid incriminating innocent people whenever possible".

     

    Yes, whitelisting games like Black Ops 2 lets more cheaters on the leaderboard. And? The leaderboard is already filled with teams playing on a single account and CFW hackers who have the basic IQ required to check a trophy guide and pop trophies in the correct order. No one is going to surge to the top of the leaderboards and ruin their apparent sanctity because they hacked 5-10 whitelisted games.

     

    I'd much rather 1000 hackers go up the leaderboard by 50 spots than even 1 legitimate and honest trophy hunter gets flagged because someone popped trophies for them and their first response wasn't "whelp, guess I should delete my entire PS3 profile then so that forum users 4 years from now don't accuse me of cheating."
    __________________________________________________________________________________________

     

    Point one. This site is already coming at it from a perspective that we should not incriminate innocent people. This is why they have the option to dispute their flags by providing evidence to a crowd of people who have played the game too and can estimate the truth about someone's claims. 

     

    Point two. It's not about letting more cheaters on the leaderboard at all. It's about setting up a standard to hold onto. If you give everyone the benefit if the doubt for the claim that someone hacked a lobby and therefore you got comprimised, then we clear all of them and it opens the room for people to cheat away without ever being punished. I'm afraid that this is not how this works. Because not only would it flood the gates on a particular game, it would flood the gates on multiple games. 
    Also, the argument that there are already cheaters therefore "and?" is a very selfish and poor one. Cheaters are cheaters. You don't just act indifferent or allow them bceause there are already many cheaters anyway. 

     

    Point three: You do not know who is honest and who isn't. You miss the point entirely. People can claim all day that they have been comprimised by some evil hacker giving them trophies for free so they will have to put that game away on psnprofiles. How will you determine who is lying and who is not? You can't and you won't. And that definitely makes it not alright to in fact open arms to everyone who is the "victim" of people popping trophies for them without wanting it. Especially since players on this website have the ability to hide two flagged games, which is more than enough before getting deleted from the leaderboard. It's a great system. Because it allows for these kinds of freak accidents to happen. You lose one game on your profile. This is a fair price in comparison to giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, no? 

    It's very simple. If you can not prove you have been comprimised, then at least you can hide it. People should not be unflagged because of claims, only because of proof. 

    1. NathanielJohn

      NathanielJohn

      Your entire post comes at this from the perspective of "guilty until proven innocent", which is exactly what I said I disagree with.

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      If you can not prove you have been comprimised, then at least you can hide it. People should not be unflagged because of claims, only because of proof. 

       

      Person must *prove* they are innocent, or else they are guilty. I disagree with this. The vast, vast, vast majority of people do not record their gameplay. There is no reasonable way to expect people to be able to prove something like this.

       

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      Point three: You do not know who is honest and who isn't. You miss the point entirely. People can claim all day that they have been comprimised by some evil hacker giving them trophies for free so they will have to put that game away on psnprofiles. How will you determine who is lying and who is not? You can't and you won't. 

       

      And again, that's exactly my point. If two people come to you and you can't tell who is cheating and who isn't, it's better to assume they're both innocent than assume that they're both cheaters.

       

      The reaction to "well, we don't know for sure that they're innocent" shouldn't be "flag them". Rather, the reaction to "well, we don't know for sure that they're guilty" should be "don't flag them".

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