dannyswfc9 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) “First of all, we would like to start by apologising to you for not showing the game on base last-gen consoles before it premiered and, in consequence, not allowing you to make a more informed decision about your purchase,” the statement from CD Projekt said. “We should have paid more attention to making it play better on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.” its good that they have offered this but that statement is crazy. We wernt expecting ground breaking graphics on ps4 but on surely its not to much to expect it to be on par with games currently on the market. Will any of you be taking them up on this offer. personally im gonna leave it for now and play it on ps5. Ive popped 1 trophy so my ocd is killing me lol https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1338390123373801472?s=20 Edited December 14, 2020 by DaivRules Added link to source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaivRules Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, dannyswfc9 said: Biggest fail in gaming history imo No, not even close to the biggest fail. I believe a certain ATARI game still holds that crown. The reality is that very, very few people are going to seek refunds on this game from CD Projekt Red. Those people will be loud, and they'll repeat themselves 1,000 times over, but they'll still be a rounding error. This should be encouraged from all developers and become the norm in video games. If someone puts out a technically (in the programming sense) bad or broken game, refunds should just be par for the course. 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UlvenFenrir Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 “We’ll release it when its ready” biggest meme ever now. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Soze Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I think Im going to keep my copy, got it cheaper plus a free ps5 upgrade, I do applaud them for trying to fix the game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MarcusPunisher Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 As they should offer refunds for a full priced game that is almost unplayable on base consoles. I sucks that CD Project has to be this slimy to ban any showcase of footage from the reviewers and wait until the last second to lie to the customers. Remember, this was suppose to come out in April and there was still not next gen console to be available. Hopefully, they can release patches to make the game at least playable. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlvenFenrir Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, MarcusPunisher said: As they should offer refunds for a full priced game that is almost unplayable on base consoles. I sucks that CD Project has to be this slimy to ban any showcase of footage from the reviewers and wait until the last second to lie to the customers. Remember, this was suppose to come out in April and there was still not next gen console to be available. Hopefully, they can release patches to make the game at least playable. Wouldve been a great aprils fool though. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Silver-I-Chariot Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 They should have released it when it's done. So what if they would have to delay it even more? Some people would have moaned but now they moan even more. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyswfc9 Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, DaivRules said: No, not even close to the biggest fail. I believe a certain ATARI game still holds that crown. Sorry dude. I edited that bit out before you replied with this because when i thought about it there as been bigger fails 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sicho Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 Remember what happened when they delayed it last time? The company's stock value fell by around 25% and they received a shit ton of death threats etc. Ask yourself: would you have delayed it another time after that experience? Financially, it could have ruined the company and therefore put many people out of a job - during a pandemic. Also, some psycho might have turned up with a gun at their office at some point if they delayed it further... people sometimes run amok for less... Not saying that the game's current state is great but I don't know what I would have done in their place. And the reason why I'm a bit more lenient in this case is that the pandemic probably wrought havoc on the development but since another delay wasn't possible without taking huge risks, they were in a bad spot. I'm pretty sure without Covid 19, this game launch would have been different. Also, the v1.04 patch adressed a lot of issues. It's still not perfect, but at least on PS4 Pro, where I'm playing, it's good enough to get enjoyment out of the game. I'm playing for over 30h so far, which is a good sign that I'm having fun. Otherwise I would be back at Yakuza 7 already 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VigilantCrow Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 That's what happens when people with 0 self control preorder games. They get the buggy mess they deserve. 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilseb93 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) That's if you can get a retailer or Sony/Microsoft/Steam to say yes to one. Now players have to go through possibly hours of customer service. Edited December 14, 2020 by Lilseb93 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QQ_Liu_Xin_Rui Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, DaivRules said: The reality is that very, very few people are going to seek refunds on this game from CD Projekt Red. Those people will be loud, and they'll repeat themselves 1,000 times over, but they'll still be a rounding error. This is sad but true. A lot of people probably bought the physical copy to give their nephew or friend or husband something as a Christmas gift (physical copy of course). It is obvious that they want this game to hit the market right before Christmas so they can get the Christmas sales. The fact that so few people will be claiming the refund (given the example above, hard to claim a refund if you are the gift recipient and complain that the gift from family/friend sucks). I also noticed that they will only be taking in refunds before December 21, 2020. So for people playing it on or after Christmas, those people can't even apply for a refund anymore. So it seems like they are doing a community a favor by offering refunds, but they are really not. You mentioned refunds should be on par course for other devs, sadly because so few people will be claiming refunds, they won't be held accountable given they already recovered all the costs in one day. So other devs wouldn't see this as a consequence for releasing a super buggy game. I did notice their stock price drop by 20-30% so that's a good thing at least (not good for people who bought into the hype and actually purchased their stock). So glad I avoided this game, one of the most overhyped games ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AJ_-_808 Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Sicho said: Remember what happened when they delayed it last time? The company's stock value fell by around 25% and they received a shit ton of death threats etc. Ask yourself: would you have delayed it another time after that experience? Financially, it could have ruined the company and therefore put many people out of a job - during a pandemic. Also, some psycho might have turned up with a gun at their office at some point if they delayed it further... people sometimes run amok for less... Not saying that the game's current state is great but I don't know what I would have done in their place. And the reason why I'm a bit more lenient in this case is that the pandemic probably wrought havoc on the development but since another delay wasn't possible without taking huge risks, they were in a bad spot. I'm pretty sure without Covid 19, this game launch would have been different. None of that excuses the fact that they purposely didn't release console review codes or footage prior to release. They knew it was a mess and probably hoped it'd just blow over 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvick_ Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I think people have lost the plot on this. You gotta keep perspective of what the average consumer is like, most people aren’t bothered by huge problems. That’s why Skyrim on PS3, GTA5 on PS3, etc all were fine and didn’t stop people from enjoying them and those games are beloved and people dumped hundreds of hours on Skyrim. do I think it’s dumb? sure, but the average consumer is who they are. They aren’t online complaining. Short of the game bricking the console or making them unable to ever play it again they largely won’t care much so long as the game beneath the bugs is good. Which from what I hear it is, based on high end PC response to the game. and lest we forget all the Switch begging I’d your response to the above is to mention lower npc count and such. People don’t seem to care as much about huge downgrades generally. Also see people defending the poor handling of DQXI S. most people won’t care. People who talk about games at all are already a minority, and even within that minority I see this difference. Lots of people who say they’ve had few issues and are enjoying on base PS4. And then others who say it sucks. Then a bunch of memes and people looking for clout from the hate bandwagon who don’t represent the 8+ million who already own the game. I wish they just canned the last gen versions and focused on PS5 and Series, but they didn’t. But I also don’t think it’s going to really do anything to them unless their next games are bad. And by bad I mean content wise not performance or bugs. That’s never been a deal breaker for most people, despite the fact that it should be. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, Lilseb93 said: That's if you can get a retailer or Sony/Microsoft/Steam to say yes to one. Now players have to go through possibly hours of customer service. The tweet says to contact CD Projekt Red for a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, DaivRules said: This should be encouraged from all developers and become the norm in video games. If someone puts out a technically (in the programming sense) bad or broken game, refunds should just be par for the course. I agree that refunds should be offered - obviously, as any other consumer product that failed to function would necessitate - though, while we’re dreaming, maybe what should be most strongly encouraged to become the norm would be... not releasing games that are demonstrably defective....? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, DrBloodmoney said: not releasing games that are demonstrably defective If refunds are in play, then I encourage some screw up developers to do that. It makes for some really amusing commentary from the internet and their careers should be short lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilseb93 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, DaivRules said: The tweet says to contact CD Projekt Red for a refund. While true it's vague, who knows how long that will take? You ship the physical copy back to them? I go to GameStop and they tell me no, are they are going to contact GameStop on my behalf? It's probably a lot of hassle. Most people are going to try to refund it to the place they purchased it from. I've seen Sony give refunds to some people, and say no to others. This whole situation is a shame. I beat the game, but still... Edited December 14, 2020 by Lilseb93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyondthegrave07 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: I agree that refunds should be offered - obviously, as any other consumer product that failed to function would necessitate - though, while we’re dreaming, maybe what should be most strongly encouraged to become the norm would be... not releasing games that are demonstrably defective....? It really makes you wonder if they are cutting corners in testing or even have people testing at all in some cases like these. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Lilseb93 said: While true it's vague, who knows how long that will take? You ship the physical copy back to them? I go to GameStop and they tell me no, are they are going to contact GameStop on my behalf? It's probably a lot of hassle. Most people are going to try to refund it to the place they purchased it from. I've seen Sony give refunds to some people, and say no to others. This whole situation is a shame. I beat the game, but still... The directions aren't vague: contact CD Projekt Red. It's only a tweet, who knows how may of the actual purchasers of the game are even going to come across this information in the next week. The details of the refunds themselves are vague, but this goes back to my original point. Only a very, very small percentage of people are going to bother to begin with. Most people will just wait for the patches and aren't going to seek a refund or they'll trade it in/sell it if they bought it physically. If anyone wants to take their copy back to a Gamestop, I'm certain Gamestop employees have already heard about this tweet and will refund the game. It will be a typical refund experience, no hassle involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sepheroithisgod Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 While this is the right move, it's hard to give them any credit for it. This game was nowhere near complete. I'm sure someday it will be a great game since the content is there, but it's going to take months of patches and I highly doubt that will be able to correct everything wrong with the base console versions. I still remember when they said they are aiming for the same quality upon release as RDR2... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilseb93 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DaivRules said: The directions aren't vague: contact CD Projekt Red. It's only a tweet, who knows how may of the actual purchasers of the game are even going to come across this information in the next week. The details of the refunds themselves are vague, but this goes back to my original point. Only a very, very small percentage of people are going to bother to begin with. Most people will just wait for the patches and aren't going to seek a refund or they'll trade it in/sell it if they bought it physically. If anyone wants to take their copy back to a Gamestop, I'm certain Gamestop employees have already heard about this tweet and will refund the game. It will be a typical refund experience, no hassle involved. I meant the details of it. I hope you're right about it not being a hassle. But I do agree not many people are going to refund it and they will wait for the patches or the next gen update. Edited December 14, 2020 by Lilseb93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KondeBra Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Good thing this industry is very strong nowadays. 20 years ago a game like this could provoke another crash in the gaming industry. It gives me strong E.T. vibes lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispy_Oglop Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I bought for the PS4 it but haven't downloaded it yet and after all of the articles and videos i've seen, it's not really playable in the way i'd expect right now. So I requested a refund from Sony. I'll re-purchase it in April/May 2021 when I have a PS5 and it's had some room for a few patches. Also this whole epilepsy thing that has been going on over social media has left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. I'll be back when the baby army of manchildren broflakes have simmered down on social media and gone to find something else to be infantile with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TJ_Solo Posted December 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, VigilantCrow said: That's what happens when people with 0 self control preorder games. They get the buggy mess they deserve. There's no such correlation. You're just cherry-picking games that have problems like CP2077 and ignoring the 100s of games that launch in a complete state. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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