Sony Succeed in Pressuring MS to Censor Game as Gal Gun Remaster will not release on Xbox

[Lonemankane]

meh now adays if abit of a ass is shown or breast or anything is shown people have a piss fit but yet we can rip apart people with very detailed insides and body parts inside but yeah I feel people are too soft now adays. Like everyone wants to get angry at the smallest little detail of any media now it is a sad truth

[Dr_Mayus]

Just reading this thread made me think of this old RP video.

 

 

[StraightVege]

1 hour ago, ExHaseo said:

Now that I've actually ready the article. Nowhere did they say that they had to censor or it wouldn't be published. MS passed on it, and that's all we know. They may have just thought the game was bad or poorly optimized.

 

Yeah; nice clickbait title, but it doesn't correspond with the article one bit. Developers can freely create what they want, but no company is obligated to sell it on their platform.

[Dreakon13]

3 hours ago, talespagni said:

Reading this thread made me remember an essential Benjamin Franklin quote:

 

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

 

Guess it applies not only to the censorship discussed in the thread, but also to practically everything we saw happening in the world in the past year.

 

Yes, unfortunately it will only be getting worse, folks.

 

Yeah, I'm sure PSN and Xbox Live not selling your borderline kiddy porn is exactly what Benjamin Franklin was referring to.

[Mournblade05143]

The same ppl making these censorship decisions also think an 8 year old child is mature enough to know his/her sexual orientation or to believes he/she was born the wrong gender. 

Edited January 2, 2021 by Mournblade05143
Wrong word

[ArmoredSnowman]

5 hours ago, diskdocx said:

. There is very little sexualized content in any Western games.

God of War, The Last of Us 2, and Assassin's Creed Odyssey would say different...

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

4 hours ago, talespagni said:

@LoveInHell

 

It's not about which scene/game/etc is offensive to you (and I wholeheartedly agree some of them indeed are), but getting your choice (of the purchase, denial of purchase, experience, etc) taken away from you.

 

If some higher up, enlightened caste is able to determine whatever is right or wrong for you to choose, sooner or later there will be no choice at all.

 

That damn higher up caste has been denying us from playing Halo games on Playstation and Nintendo consoles for years. ?

[mcnichoj]

6 hours ago, Undead Wolf said:

They had an opportunity to appeal to an audience Sony has abandoned and maybe even increase their abysmal hardware sales in Japan, but they decided to throw all of that away.

This type of mindset that they need pornagraphic games to appeal to the Japanese is lowkey racist and a general "wtf?" type of mindset. The Xbox 360 had all kinds of obscure/niche games in Japan and those generally weren't the top sellers. The top sellers on the 360 were the exclusive JRPGs and Dead or Alive 4. While yes DOA in the past had fanservice, it was still tasteful and had a actual substantial game underneath. Gal Gun might be better than Rambo but it's nowhere near games like Time Crisis or House of the Dead.

I'm sure MS won't miss those couple hundred sales they were gonna get from Japanese GG fans. Ironically they would have moved more GG copies in the west but not more hardware, it would have been from already existing Xbox owners. People that own a PS that claim they would have got an Xbox if this type of game come out never really were going to. Much better Xbox exclusives exist and if you didn't get an Xbox for them then you're definitely not going to for this.

[Mina]

6 hours ago, rdhight said:

No one owes you a porn-game.

How I feel after reading the above:

 

8 hours ago, thefourfoldroot said:

The noose is tightening

[BrandedBerserk]

And absolutely nothing of value was lost. Everyone has their taste in games but who the fuck actually plays shit like this? 

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

Yakuza 0 came to Xbox in 2020. A game where you can watch actual softcore porn.

 

But sure, Microsoft is passing on Gal Gun because of pressure from Sony and their "puritanical ideals". ?

[Rias Gremory]

Feels like people hated porn or any illicit dirty shit lol.

[MidnightDragon]

OK, that's the stupidest thing I've heard this year...and the year is five minutes old. I seriously doubt that Sony had anything to do with Microsoft's decision making.

Edited January 1, 2021 by MidnightDragon

[Wavergray]

1. The other 2 gal gun games are not on xbox so it's not really shocking that this new gal gun game will also not be on xbox.

2. The devs made the choice to aim for the jp otaku market with these games, by making the girls look so young. So even putting aside the anime/cartoon are for kids bias that most of society still has. If they had made the girls look older they may had been able to squeak by easier.

 

3. The optics on a panty shot rail shooter was never going to be great, the fact that 2 of these games are already on PS4 outside of JP is interesting.

 

4. It is pretty scummy of Microsoft to tell them no after the game was already done and ported to the xbox. They won't get that dev time and money back. I would not be shocked if Inti Creates never puts a game on xbox again.

5. If you want games like this just get a PC, that's always how it's been. 

[Katt]

without mentioning why censorship is not acceptable in any form, I want to say the following:

the original game is freaking trash. I got it for free and I still want my money back.

 

happy new year.

[StraightVege]

4 hours ago, Dreakon13 said:

Yeah, I'm sure PSN and Xbox Live not selling your borderline kiddy porn is exactly what Benjamin Franklin was referring to.

 

 

“What more valuable than Gold? Diamonds. Than Diamonds? Loli porn.”  -Benjamin Franklin.

[Darling Baphomet]

9 hours ago, LoveInHell said:

To compare these games to a fucking game where you lure at girls that are dressed up as high school chicks, even middle school chicks, stare at their body bending over for ya in and making them blush n shit (as if they get so turned on by you) and keep in mind THIS HAS A VR VERSION.

 

I think the difference is that in games like the Witcher 3 - even when you're hiring a prostitute - the people nude have dignity. More importantly, they consent. The Japanese games being "censored", on the other hand, have this Madonna-whore complex - they want to sexualize their characters, but at the same time, fetishize their innocence. They cannot have a character consent to sexual scenes, because that would compromise their innocence. So instead you have games with the classic 'male MC falls onto a woman, squeezes titty' trope, or... groping women dressed as schoolgirls in their sleep, etc. 

 

It's amazing that people in this thread have to come up with bizarre conspiracies like, "Sony forced one of their rivals to not publish a game which would potentially be catastrophic PR" as opposed to considering that... maybe Microsoft just doesn't want to be involved with games whose target audience is people who want to grope sleeping schoolgirls.

 

These games are being "censored" for the same reason that child porn is. Y'all know there's a word for sex without consent, right?

[LoveInHell]

2 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

*everything you said*

Preach!

[Stardroid]

People really out there getting upset that they can't see kids in their underwear lmao. God damn

[Darling Baphomet]

5 hours ago, Mournblade05143 said:

The same ppl making these censorship decisions also think an 8 year old child is mature enough to know his/her sexual identity or to believes he/she was born the wrong gender. 

 

Friendly word of advice: you might want to save the "think of the children!" cliche for a thread where you're not upset about the "censorship" of a game that sexualizes schoolgirls. I know you probably don't have many arguments to pick from, but this combination in particular is really not a good look.

[madbuk]

In this thread: people getting upset that little kids aren’t being sexualized anymore because people are finally moving past the “but really she’s a 1000 year old immortal dragon so it’s fine” defence that has protected anime for way too long.

 

This is the good kind of censorship. If they were adults it’d still be weird but at least it’d be legal. This is just creepy as fuck.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Beyondthegrave07
Don't label members as pedos

[Eraezr]

Microsoft already censoring the existence of Xbox exclusives anyway.

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

6 hours ago, Dreakon13 said:

Yeah, I'm sure PSN and Xbox Live not selling your borderline kiddy porn is exactly what Benjamin Franklin was referring to.

 

What's funny is, when people bring that quote up, they are attributing it meaning it never had because they've taken it out of context. ?

 

Quote

SIEGEL: And what was the context of this remark?

 

WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it.

 

SIEGEL: So far from being a pro-privacy quotation, if anything, it's a pro-taxation and pro-defense spending quotation.

 

WITTES: It is a quotation that defends the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security. It means, in context, not quite the opposite of what it's almost always quoted as saying but much closer to the opposite than to the thing that people think it means.

 

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous-liberty-safety-quote-lost-its-context-in-21st-century#:~:text=Benjamin Franklin once said%3A "Those,and concerns about government surveillance.

[Undead Wolf]

 

11 hours ago, mcnichoj said:

This type of mindset that they need pornagraphic games to appeal to the Japanese is lowkey racist and a general "wtf?" type of mindset. The Xbox 360 had all kinds of obscure/niche games in Japan and those generally weren't the top sellers. The top sellers on the 360 were the exclusive JRPGs and Dead or Alive 4. While yes DOA in the past had fanservice, it was still tasteful and had a actual substantial game underneath. Gal Gun might be better than Rambo but it's nowhere near games like Time Crisis or House of the Dead.

I'm sure MS won't miss those couple hundred sales they were gonna get from Japanese GG fans. Ironically they would have moved more GG copies in the west but not more hardware, it would have been from already existing Xbox owners. People that own a PS that claim they would have got an Xbox if this type of game come out never really were going to. Much better Xbox exclusives exist and if you didn't get an Xbox for them then you're definitely not going to for this.

 

These games have an audience. If Microsoft could have offered something that Sony no longer does, that would naturally result in increased hardware sales, so miss me with this "racist" bullshit. And FYI, "pornographic" games were never allowed on PlayStation/Xbox. In a lot of ways, games like Gal*Gun are far more tame compared to the stuff coming out in the western AAA space. There's no nudity or sex scenes for starters. There are Japanese games from a wide variety of genres that include fanservice of some kind, so it's not just stuff like Gal*Gun that's getting affected with the censorship (VN's, JRPG's, etc). This is about Japanese developers having western values forced upon them. It turns out that the Japanese don't appreciate that, who would have guessed?

Edited January 1, 2021 by Beyondthegrave07
Don't indirectly call other PSNP members "communist shitstains", it just stirs the pot.

[SnowxSakura]

I find it so weird that when it comes to violence in video games, people nonstop argue against it claiming that it's not reality and people can easily make a judgement between reality and fiction. However if there's erotic content in it, now it's suddenly no longer distinguishable between reality and fiction, hypocrites really.