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Sony Succeed in Pressuring MS to Censor Game as Gal Gun Remaster will not release on Xbox

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3 hours ago, Stardroid said:

I do not think people have any issue with keeping reality and fiction separate. However, when we are talking about film and real time actors, you're obviously not going to exploit children as actors to perform and dress lewdly to please a certain audience. That would be wrong because you are exploiting children. This bleeds directly into reality, so there is no longer a distinction.

Cuties on Netflix says otherwise. 

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5 minutes ago, Rick_Sanchez said:

Cuties on Netflix says otherwise. 

 

13 minutes ago, BRKs_Eagle said:

Oh, no. My underage anime tiddies. Whatever will I do?

 

As I've said before, I don't like censorship as much as the next person and I also don't think you're automatically a pedo if you play these kinds of games, but the fact some people defend this so fervorously makes me... a bit worried, to be honest. Also, I'm apparently a communist. For some reason.

 

Netflix would like to respectfully disagree with you.

I haven't seen Cuties, because I'm not much of a movie watcher, but... I was under the impression that Cuties doesn't attempt to say that this sexualization is right or even ok, and was made to criticize real-life things like beauty pageants?
Could make a case for the fact that these kid actors are still being sexualized, even if the intent is to show how wrong it is, and that that should just be flat out unacceptable, and I wouldn't even necessarily disagree either. But I think there's a distinction between something like that and something like GalGun where it's depicted as completely okay and fun and acceptable.

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5 minutes ago, madbuk said:

 

I haven't seen Cuties, because I'm not much of a movie watcher, but... I was under the impression that Cuties doesn't attempt to say that this sexualization is right or even ok, and was made to criticize real-life things like beauty pageants?
Could make a case for the fact that these kid actors are still being sexualized, even if the intent is to show how wrong it is, and that that should just be flat out unacceptable, and I wouldn't even necessarily disagree either. But I think there's a distinction between something like that and something like GalGun where it's depicted as completely okay and fun and acceptable.

I have not seen Cuties either but from what I understand it was meant to be like Natural Born Killers where the point of the film was to highlight how society is normalizing (and promoting) this type of life style (NBK was about violence being promoted by the media).

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99% deviants hide behind the lie. Didnt seen cuties but showing underage sexualization in negative way by director doesnt mean this kids werent fucked behind the scenes by the producers. Just like that homophobe right wing MEP was busted by police on gay sex orgy. Edit: Im not saying they were i dont know that.

 

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23 minutes ago, madbuk said:

I haven't seen Cuties, because I'm not much of a movie watcher, but... I was under the impression that Cuties doesn't attempt to say that this sexualization is right or even ok, and was made to criticize real-life things like beauty pageants?

Could make a case for the fact that these kid actors are still being sexualized, even if the intent is to show how wrong it is, and that that should just be flat out unacceptable, and I wouldn't even necessarily disagree either. But I think there's a distinction between something like that and something like GalGun where it's depicted as completely okay and fun and acceptable.

It would be the same thing as a movie where someone is shown being killed for real to talk about how killing people is bad. Regardless of the intention, at the end of the day, it's still sexualizing children.

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19 minutes ago, Rick_Sanchez said:

That movie was also indicted by a Texas grand jury

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/06/texas-tyler-county-netflix-cuties/

 

It’s Texas, the extreme right is as bad as the extreme left when it comes to ideological restrictions.

 

I just watched the film. People can take from it what they want to depending on the depravity of their mind, but the film is clearly about a girl trapped between her cultural identity and ancestry and her new society as a second generation immigrant. There isn’t any nudity or sexual contact 🙄

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Moving to California is the worst thing that could have happened to Sony. Just hope game studios keep trying to make good games an not woke of us part 2

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14 minutes ago, sleephead254 said:

Moving to California is the worst thing that could have happened to Sony. Just hope game studios keep trying to make good games an not woke of us part 2

The changes at Sony in the past few years had nothing to do with them moving a office to California. It had more to do with the change in leadership at Sony Japan as a whole that started in 2018.

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4 minutes ago, Wavergray said:

The changes at Sony in the past few years had nothing to do with them moving a office to California. It had more to do with the change in leadership at Sony Japan as a whole that started in 2018.

 

These left-handed political changes (female body censorship, tlou2) have everything to do with their move to Ca.

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34 minutes ago, sleephead254 said:

Moving to California is the worst thing that could have happened to Sony. Just hope game studios keep trying to make good games an not woke of us part 2

 

This whole "for" poking underage girls in the taint but "against" gritty semi-realistic alternative relationships thing is admittedly confusing to me.

 

EDIT: I'd expect it to be the other way around... but the way this thread has gone.

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1 hour ago, Rick_Sanchez said:

Cuties on Netflix says otherwise. 

Heavily and rightfully criticised

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I am not interested in Gal Gun or any games depicting underage girls in overly sexualized situations. But how long until Sony requires lens flare to cover up something comparable to certain scenes in Kamoshida's palace in Persona 5 for instance, something that is integral to the story and is meant to depict the depravity of the villain? While I don't support censorship in it's current form, I understand the necessity in certain situations. What I am most worried about is the next step in censorship.  As we have seen from how several companies have changed their artistic visions to appease to the outrage mob, these kinds of things just get more extreme.

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Woohoo!! Another win for the puritanicals and SJWs, whose constant censorship of everything and anything they don’t like is starting to make them look suspiciously similar to the fascists they claim to hate.

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20 hours ago, Undead Wolf said:

I have a lot of respect for the developer/publisher for deciding not to go through with the Xbox release if it meant censoring their product. A lot of others can learn from their example.

But yes, it turns out Microsoft are just as shit as Sony when it comes to this stuff. They had an opportunity to appeal to an audience Sony has abandoned and maybe even increase their abysmal hardware sales in Japan, but they decided to throw all of that away. Switch and PC are the only viable options for these kinds of games going forward and I'd suggest anyone here who's a fan of these games to invest in one of those platforms, even if PlayStation is still your primary platform of choice.

K-On, a man of culture I see.

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12 minutes ago, awf9495 said:

I am not interested in Gal Gun or any games depicting underage girls in overly sexualized situations. But how long until Sony requires lens flare to cover up something comparable to certain scenes in Kamoshida's palace in Persona 5 for instance, something that is integral to the story and is meant to depict the depravity of the villain? While I don't support censorship in it's current form, I understand the necessity in certain situations. What I am most worried about is the next step in censorship.  As we have seen from how several companies have changed their artistic visions to appease to the outrage mob, these kinds of things just get more extreme.

 

Worrying about the "next step" is the reason everything is an outrage in the gaming community.

 

If we never give an inch, they can never take a mile.  It's a logical conclusion to draw... but sometimes it's okay to recognize games like GalGun for what they are.  Accepting that in some misguided attempt to save Persona 5 from something that hasn't happened yet is well, misguided.  Save the outrage for if/when they actually take it too far, instead of preemptive outrage.

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10 minutes ago, awf9495 said:

how long until Sony requires lens flare to cover up something comparable to certain scenes in Kamoshida's palace in Persona 5 for instance

They’ve already put the lens flare back into all regions for the PS5 version of DMC5. Just to cover some non sexualised buttocks. It really has become ridiculous...

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1 hour ago, BRKs_Eagle said:

It [Cuties on netflix] would be the same thing as a movie where someone is shown being killed for real to talk about how killing people is bad. Regardless of the intention, at the end of the day, it's still sexualizing children.

It's kinda about the medium, I assume the movie worked fine as the biography book it was based on, it probably also worked fine as a audio play or radio drama, but as the mediums show imagery, that's where the story, regardless of the message, will risk being used as titillation. From what I've heard about the movie, it has its story in the right place but the decision the turn it into a film is inherently flawed.

That being said medium is not an issue with gal-gun, the problem with gal-gun is the point of the game, and unlike with say, Zanki Zero, where UNDERAGE nudity can be edited out and not effect the end product, I think it would be fair to say games like gal-gun don't have that luxury... it's just... too... problematic... if you'll accept that terminology. 

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it's because the americans took over sony, ousted out the japanese leadership from pivotal roles, and stuck a legend like shuhei yoshida as head of indies when he was there when mistakes were made and he personally, openly admitted to learning from each of them, but because japanese people are not exceptionally woke, (american businesses are either using middle marketting to appeal to those people who wouldn't otherwise, or just go fake and try to keep them happy out of fear they won't be relevant in the eyes of too many people in the future).

 

it no doubt also helped the americans at sony who thought they could do a better job, that japanese game developers that make high quality stuff is as rare as rocking horse shit. Konami are too butthurt to cash a cheque.sony wanted to ditch on the esa and E3 etc presumably because of how corrupt they are. it's ran by the same bloke who is head ceo of gearbox parent company 2k and he owns the ESRB too. you can just feel the corruption eminating from them from a simple tweet yet they're as fake woke as the rest and then leadership within sony change hands and everything's all good with the esa again, but it's just more profitable to skip e3.

 

then que the ps5 launch, and it's ccp inspired security systems, and dodgy plastic gears in the controller everything seems like this generation was geared towards making them more money at their customers expense. and yeah, I get that is how a business works but under the japanese leadership this shit wouldn't be an issue.

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Gal Gun developers: "Can you carry our game?"

 

Microsoft: "Nah, pass."

 

Gal Gun: "Alright we'll try with Nintendo."

 

Gamers: "This is literally 1984. God damn the SJW liberal Soy drinking commies strike again.

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59 minutes ago, sleephead254 said:

 

These left-handed political changes (female body censorship, tlou2) have everything to do with their move to Ca.

 

Not really. I don't know how so many people have missed this, but mobile/handheld gaming became such a huge force in Japan it caused Sony to focus more on the west. That includes catering to what they think the west wants. Everything would be the same regardless of where their main headquarters are located. It was simply logical for them to move to the US if they're going to focus their efforts into that market. Nintendo has not moved their main headquarters to CA because their main focus is not the west. Otherwise it would be the same for them, as evidenced by Nintendo of America censoring their games.

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11 minutes ago, Weskerfan75 said:

Gal Gun developers: "Can you carry our game?"

 

Microsoft: "Nah, pass."

 

Gal Gun: "Alright we'll try with Nintendo."

 

Gamers: "This is literally 1984. God damn the SJW liberal Soy drinking commies strike again.

That’s not how it happened. The game on Xbox is finished. They made a last minute decision to force the dev to make changes in order to get it published. Disgusting in itself. When they decided not to, then MS said they wouldn’t publish. The Nintendo port was done concurrently, but they made no last minute demands for censorship.

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