Sony Succeed in Pressuring MS to Censor Game as Gal Gun Remaster will not release on Xbox

[SnowxSakura]

4 minutes ago, madbuk said:

 

I haven't seen Cuties, because I'm not much of a movie watcher, but... I was under the impression that Cuties doesn't attempt to say that this sexualization is right or even ok, and was made to criticize real-life things like beauty pageants?
Could make a case for the fact that these kid actors are still being sexualized, even if the intent is to show how wrong it is, and that that should just be flat out unacceptable, and I wouldn't even necessarily disagree either. But I think there's a distinction between something like that and something like GalGun where it's depicted as completely okay and fun and acceptable.

“Cuties” follows an 11-year-old Senegalese immigrant to France named Amy (Fathia Youssouf) who finds herself repulsed by her traditional Muslim upbringing. But the alternative, the movie suggests, is kind of horrifying in a different way: She falls in with a group of fellow 11-year-olds who are working on a hypersexualized dance routine so they can enter a dance competition. They get their ideas from the Internet, learning to twerk and gyrate and simulate sex acts.

It’s sick. It’s grotesque. You feel, for lack of a better word, ick watching it.

But that’s the point. When the girls are watching hardcore porn on one of their smartphones and discussing degrading sex acts, you’re supposed to be angry that this is the world we’ve given our children. When one of the girls picks up a used condom on the street and blows it up like a balloon, resulting in the other girls washing her mouth out with soap as they scream about her dying from cancer and AIDS, you’re supposed to be furious that our children live in a world where perverts discard used prophylactics in public places.

And when you see them dance, you are supposed to react as the older characters in this movie react: with revulsion.

Unfortunately, writer-director Maïmouna Doucouré undermines the point she’s trying to make by shooting the revolting dance routines too well. The result is scenes that are a little too loving and not nearly horrified enough. In a way, this whole thing serves as a minor rebuke to the idea of the concept of the male gaze: If you shoot anything of this sort with care, it’s going to end up looking lustful. The camera is hungry. The camera wants to show us too much.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/15/if-cuties-disturbs-you-thats-good-what-are-you-going-do-about-it/

[Dr_Mayus]

5 minutes ago, madbuk said:

 

I haven't seen Cuties, because I'm not much of a movie watcher, but... I was under the impression that Cuties doesn't attempt to say that this sexualization is right or even ok, and was made to criticize real-life things like beauty pageants?
Could make a case for the fact that these kid actors are still being sexualized, even if the intent is to show how wrong it is, and that that should just be flat out unacceptable, and I wouldn't even necessarily disagree either. But I think there's a distinction between something like that and something like GalGun where it's depicted as completely okay and fun and acceptable.

I have not seen Cuties either but from what I understand it was meant to be like Natural Born Killers where the point of the film was to highlight how society is normalizing (and promoting) this type of life style (NBK was about violence being promoted by the media).

[Beliar4]

99% deviants hide behind the lie. Didnt seen cuties but showing underage sexualization in negative way by director doesnt mean this kids werent fucked behind the scenes by the producers. Just like that homophobe right wing MEP was busted by police on gay sex orgy. Edit: Im not saying they were i dont know that.

 

Edited January 1, 2021 by Beliar4

[Rick_Sanchez]

That movie was also indicted by a Texas grand jury

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/06/texas-tyler-county-netflix-cuties/

 

[Eagle]

23 minutes ago, madbuk said:

I haven't seen Cuties, because I'm not much of a movie watcher, but... I was under the impression that Cuties doesn't attempt to say that this sexualization is right or even ok, and was made to criticize real-life things like beauty pageants?

Could make a case for the fact that these kid actors are still being sexualized, even if the intent is to show how wrong it is, and that that should just be flat out unacceptable, and I wouldn't even necessarily disagree either. But I think there's a distinction between something like that and something like GalGun where it's depicted as completely okay and fun and acceptable.

It would be the same thing as a movie where someone is shown being killed for real to talk about how killing people is bad. Regardless of the intention, at the end of the day, it's still sexualizing children.

[thefourfoldroot]

19 minutes ago, Rick_Sanchez said:

That movie was also indicted by a Texas grand jury

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/06/texas-tyler-county-netflix-cuties/

 

It’s Texas, the extreme right is as bad as the extreme left when it comes to ideological restrictions.

 

I just watched the film. People can take from it what they want to depending on the depravity of their mind, but the film is clearly about a girl trapped between her cultural identity and ancestry and her new society as a second generation immigrant. There isn’t any nudity or sexual contact ?

[sleephead254]

Moving to California is the worst thing that could have happened to Sony. Just hope game studios keep trying to make good games an not woke of us part 2

[Wavergray]

14 minutes ago, sleephead254 said:

Moving to California is the worst thing that could have happened to Sony. Just hope game studios keep trying to make good games an not woke of us part 2

The changes at Sony in the past few years had nothing to do with them moving a office to California. It had more to do with the change in leadership at Sony Japan as a whole that started in 2018.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Wavergray

[sleephead254]

4 minutes ago, Wavergray said:

The changes at Sony in the past few years had nothing to do with them moving a office to California. It had more to do with the change in leadership at Sony Japan as a whole that started in 2018.

 

These left-handed political changes (female body censorship, tlou2) have everything to do with their move to Ca.

[Dreakon13]

34 minutes ago, sleephead254 said:

Moving to California is the worst thing that could have happened to Sony. Just hope game studios keep trying to make good games an not woke of us part 2

 

This whole "for" poking underage girls in the taint but "against" gritty semi-realistic alternative relationships thing is admittedly confusing to me.

 

EDIT: I'd expect it to be the other way around... but the way this thread has gone.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Dreakon13

[Stardroid]

1 hour ago, Rick_Sanchez said:

Cuties on Netflix says otherwise. 

Heavily and rightfully criticised

[awf9495]

I am not interested in Gal Gun or any games depicting underage girls in overly sexualized situations. But how long until Sony requires lens flare to cover up something comparable to certain scenes in Kamoshida's palace in Persona 5 for instance, something that is integral to the story and is meant to depict the depravity of the villain? While I don't support censorship in it's current form, I understand the necessity in certain situations. What I am most worried about is the next step in censorship.  As we have seen from how several companies have changed their artistic visions to appease to the outrage mob, these kinds of things just get more extreme.

[dieselmanchild]

Woohoo!! Another win for the puritanicals and SJWs, whose constant censorship of everything and anything they don’t like is starting to make them look suspiciously similar to the fascists they claim to hate.

[arcanehornet_]

20 hours ago, Undead Wolf said:

I have a lot of respect for the developer/publisher for deciding not to go through with the Xbox release if it meant censoring their product. A lot of others can learn from their example.

But yes, it turns out Microsoft are just as shit as Sony when it comes to this stuff. They had an opportunity to appeal to an audience Sony has abandoned and maybe even increase their abysmal hardware sales in Japan, but they decided to throw all of that away. Switch and PC are the only viable options for these kinds of games going forward and I'd suggest anyone here who's a fan of these games to invest in one of those platforms, even if PlayStation is still your primary platform of choice.

K-On, a man of culture I see.

[Dreakon13]

12 minutes ago, awf9495 said:

I am not interested in Gal Gun or any games depicting underage girls in overly sexualized situations. But how long until Sony requires lens flare to cover up something comparable to certain scenes in Kamoshida's palace in Persona 5 for instance, something that is integral to the story and is meant to depict the depravity of the villain? While I don't support censorship in it's current form, I understand the necessity in certain situations. What I am most worried about is the next step in censorship.  As we have seen from how several companies have changed their artistic visions to appease to the outrage mob, these kinds of things just get more extreme.

 

Worrying about the "next step" is the reason everything is an outrage in the gaming community.

 

If we never give an inch, they can never take a mile.  It's a logical conclusion to draw... but sometimes it's okay to recognize games like GalGun for what they are.  Accepting that in some misguided attempt to save Persona 5 from something that hasn't happened yet is well, misguided.  Save the outrage for if/when they actually take it too far, instead of preemptive outrage.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Dreakon13

[thefourfoldroot]

10 minutes ago, awf9495 said:

how long until Sony requires lens flare to cover up something comparable to certain scenes in Kamoshida's palace in Persona 5 for instance

They’ve already put the lens flare back into all regions for the PS5 version of DMC5. Just to cover some non sexualised buttocks. It really has become ridiculous...

[Breakingthegreen]

1 hour ago, BRKs_Eagle said:

It [Cuties on netflix] would be the same thing as a movie where someone is shown being killed for real to talk about how killing people is bad. Regardless of the intention, at the end of the day, it's still sexualizing children.

It's kinda about the medium, I assume the movie worked fine as the biography book it was based on, it probably also worked fine as a audio play or radio drama, but as the mediums show imagery, that's where the story, regardless of the message, will risk being used as titillation. From what I've heard about the movie, it has its story in the right place but the decision the turn it into a film is inherently flawed.

That being said medium is not an issue with gal-gun, the problem with gal-gun is the point of the game, and unlike with say, Zanki Zero, where UNDERAGE nudity can be edited out and not effect the end product, I think it would be fair to say games like gal-gun don't have that luxury... it's just... too... problematic... if you'll accept that terminology. 

[MatThaRiPP3R84]

it's because the americans took over sony, ousted out the japanese leadership from pivotal roles, and stuck a legend like shuhei yoshida as head of indies when he was there when mistakes were made and he personally, openly admitted to learning from each of them, but because japanese people are not exceptionally woke, (american businesses are either using middle marketting to appeal to those people who wouldn't otherwise, or just go fake and try to keep them happy out of fear they won't be relevant in the eyes of too many people in the future).

 

it no doubt also helped the americans at sony who thought they could do a better job, that japanese game developers that make high quality stuff is as rare as rocking horse shit. Konami are too butthurt to cash a cheque.sony wanted to ditch on the esa and E3 etc presumably because of how corrupt they are. it's ran by the same bloke who is head ceo of gearbox parent company 2k and he owns the ESRB too. you can just feel the corruption eminating from them from a simple tweet yet they're as fake woke as the rest and then leadership within sony change hands and everything's all good with the esa again, but it's just more profitable to skip e3.

 

then que the ps5 launch, and it's ccp inspired security systems, and dodgy plastic gears in the controller everything seems like this generation was geared towards making them more money at their customers expense. and yeah, I get that is how a business works but under the japanese leadership this shit wouldn't be an issue.

[Weskerfan75]

Gal Gun developers: "Can you carry our game?"

 

Microsoft: "Nah, pass."

 

Gal Gun: "Alright we'll try with Nintendo."

 

Gamers: "This is literally 1984. God damn the SJW liberal Soy drinking commies strike again.

[StraightVege]

49 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said:

This whole "for" poking underage girls in the taint but "against" gritty semi-realistic alternative relationships thing is admittedly confusing to me.

 

Consenting gay adults in my games? That's communism!

 

Yes, I can confirm that when you relocate to Cali, you instantly transform into a cULTural MaRXiSt. It's in the water here, you see.

[ShadeSplit]

59 minutes ago, sleephead254 said:

 

These left-handed political changes (female body censorship, tlou2) have everything to do with their move to Ca.

 

Not really. I don't know how so many people have missed this, but mobile/handheld gaming became such a huge force in Japan it caused Sony to focus more on the west. That includes catering to what they think the west wants. Everything would be the same regardless of where their main headquarters are located. It was simply logical for them to move to the US if they're going to focus their efforts into that market. Nintendo has not moved their main headquarters to CA because their main focus is not the west. Otherwise it would be the same for them, as evidenced by Nintendo of America censoring their games.

[thefourfoldroot]

11 minutes ago, Weskerfan75 said:

Gal Gun developers: "Can you carry our game?"

 

Microsoft: "Nah, pass."

 

Gal Gun: "Alright we'll try with Nintendo."

 

Gamers: "This is literally 1984. God damn the SJW liberal Soy drinking commies strike again.

That’s not how it happened. The game on Xbox is finished. They made a last minute decision to force the dev to make changes in order to get it published. Disgusting in itself. When they decided not to, then MS said they wouldn’t publish. The Nintendo port was done concurrently, but they made no last minute demands for censorship.

[Aecesaje_]

Hey guys Don Cheadle here. You are all under arrest because holy fuck. 

 

Don't forget to watch my new movie Space Jam 2, coming soon to cinemas

[Eraezr]

52 minutes ago, ScarecrowsFate said:

 

Consenting gay adults in my games? That's communism!

 

Yes, I can confirm that when you relocate to Cali, you instantly transform into a cULTural MaRXiSt. It's in the water here, you see.

 

Isn't that place too busy burning to have any water

[Darling Baphomet]

6 hours ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said:

 

There's a conversation to be be had about how video games handle violence, but even the most violent games aren't made with appealing to killers in mind. Whether it's something as brutally violent as The Last of Us Part II, or the over the top gore of Mortal Kombat, the developers didn't make those games for killers. 

 

Violence in video games is used as a method to resolve conflict. Save the hostages by killing the terrorists, hunt down the monsters that are threatening the lands, kill the demons to stop their invasion of Earth, etc. Killing in order to resolve conflict is not something that appeals to serial killers.

 

This. Whenever the question of exploitative pornography comes up, someone inevitably goes, "b-but what about violent video games?"

 

But there's no comparison between even Wolfenstein and porn - in Wolfenstein, very violent means are taken, yes, but they're done so for a greater good - in its case, defeating an amped up Nazi Germany. You are not going through the game being told, "violence is good", you are going through the game being told, "sometimes you have to fight fire with fire." A bit self-indulgent sometimes, maybe, but even then, B. J. Blazkowicz is there because he's got people to kill, not because torture gets him off.

 

An actual comparison would be something like Hatred, which exists as nothing but murder porn. 

 

2 hours ago, dieselmanchild said:

Woohoo!! Another win for the puritanicals and SJWs, whose constant censorship of everything and anything they don’t like is starting to make them look suspiciously similar to the fascists they claim to hate.

 

Check out the argument understander over here who thinks being against pedophilia means you're a fascist.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Darling Baphomet