Dreakon13 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, AlonMercer said: This thread is funny as fuck. Hey guys ? Did you know ? that censorship ? is bad ? Like holy shit the floor is made of floor. How many threads do we need about censorship? Like yeah, MS and Sony can get bent but there's nothing we can do about it. I mean, censorship in some cases is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefourfoldroot Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said: I mean, censorship in some cases is fine. Very, very rarely. And even then, it’s essential that it’s the right people who have control over what is and isn’t allowable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlonMercer Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) edit: nuking these messages. Can mods lock this thread and delete my messages? lol Really shouldn't have gotten involved on such a topic. Edited January 2, 2021 by AlonMercer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDGES Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 this has nothing to do with Sony and MS didn't do it because of them, stop with this nonsense already, these are rules imposed by many territories now that EVERYBODY has to comply to them in order to do business, and that includes Steam and Nintendo too, Nintendo has done plenty of censorship already in their own games like Smash, Xenoblade and others, right now they let 3rd party run wilder but that is a timed bomb for them so it's on them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowwindow7 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 i don't know but something is telling me that Nintendo of America to follow suit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Walt the Dog Posted January 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2021 43 minutes ago, thefourfoldroot said: Look, people analyse way too much. 1) they are not kids 2) they are not depicted as kids but have definite adult woman features 3) they are fictional characters. Yeah, trying to bring up those first two points is what's suspect here. While in-lore, many of them are considered 18, the fact that it explicitly takes place in a high school is meant to evoke the image of sexualizing high school students, which is the main issue that people take from this regardless of what age is assigned to them since in general, much of society finds it fairly disturbing for adults to do that to people still in their school years regardless of whether they're technically legal or not. Your second point is especially damning considering "but she already looks like an adult" is one of the biggest defenses of ephebophilia in real life as it stands, particularly for people in real life who do have adultish physiques, so invoking it pretty much ties your argument to a defense for an actual ethical and legal offense, tanking any credibility you may have. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnichoj Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Why hasn't this thread been locked already? Someone's sleeping at the wheel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefourfoldroot Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Walt the Dog said: Not when you take into account the third point, which is that they are fictional beings. Trying to connect it to real life pervs and rapists saying “she looked adult” is disingenuous. In this piece of fiction, what the characters appear to be is what they are because they only exist as an appearance. 6 minutes ago, mcnichoj said: Why hasn't this thread been locked already? Someone's sleeping at the wheel. Because it’s a serious discussion about MS moving towards the same censorship policies that Sony have implemented. Why would you want the conversation closed? 11 minutes ago, LockheedPrime said: this has nothing to do with Sony and MS didn't do it because of them, stop with this nonsense already, these are rules imposed by many territories now that EVERYBODY has to comply to them in order to do business, and that includes Steam and Nintendo too, Nintendo has done plenty of censorship already in their own games like Smash, Xenoblade and others, right now they let 3rd party run wilder but that is a timed bomb for them so it's on them Clearly it is everything to do with Sony and MS new puritanical policies and NOTHING to do with the laws of any country. Or do you think Nintendo are breaking the law? Where Sony and MS breaking the law earlier in the last generation and prior? Edited January 2, 2021 by thefourfoldroot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, thefourfoldroot said: Why would you want the conversation closed? Because according to a number of people in the thread, censorship is a good thing. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jigsy1 said: Because according to a number of people in the thread, censorship is a good thing. ? The closer games get to kiddy porn, the more people might feel that way. /shrug Edited January 2, 2021 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ShadowSigmaX Posted January 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2021 Chris Hanson would like the location of several users in this thread lol 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt the Dog Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, thefourfoldroot said: Not when you take into account the third point, which is that they are fictional beings. Trying to connect it to real life pervs and rapists saying “she looked adult” is disingenuous. In this piece of fiction, what the characters appear to be is what they are because they only exist as an appearance. Then work on convincing people of that third point instead. Your first and second points are essentially useless because if someone is convinced that attraction to anime girls is one-to-one with someone's attraction to actual people, you sound like someone trying to justify ephebophilia, and if people didn't hold that mindset, we wouldn't even be here because people would know better than to equate their personal discomfort with something with actual ethical issues. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said: The closer games get to kiddy porn, the more people might feel that way. /shrug It must be so sad for children to know that their worth as human beings is equivalent to that of pixels in a video game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jigsy1 said: It must be so sad for children to know that their worth as human beings is equivalent to that of pixels in a video game. I'm very interested to hear your argument for lusting after children in games... they're just pixels right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Yeah, and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDGES Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, thefourfoldroot said: Not when you take into account the third point, which is that they are fictional beings. Trying to connect it to real life pervs and rapists saying “she looked adult” is disingenuous. In this piece of fiction, what the characters appear to be is what they are because they only exist as an appearance. Because it’s a serious discussion about MS moving towards the same censorship policies that Sony have implemented. Why would you want the conversation closed? Clearly it is everything to do with Sony and MS new puritanical policies and NOTHING to do with the laws of any country. Or do you think Nintendo are breaking the law? Where Sony and MS breaking the law earlier in the last generation and prior? YES, Nintendo right now is ignoring the rules and Sony was letting Japanese 3rd party devs ignore the rules early this gen and last gen just like Nintendo is right now, these are global guidelines, these Japanese devs either get down with it or get laid down, period, this is not about sexual material, you can have as much sexual material as you want in any game, Metro Exodus, Cyberpunk, TLOU2, and more, the line is at characters that appear to be young and/or in school, it's irrelevant if they are a "300 year old dragon actually in human form" if they look like a kid that's in school you've crossed the line, period https://www.siliconera.com/onechanbara-origin-producer-on-how-censorship-shouldnt-be-a-problem-going-forward/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jigsy1 said: Yeah, and? I mean, humanity in games are in some capacity inspired by humanity in real life. You aren't gonna go to jail, but I dunno if you want to carry this conversation too much further lol. Edited January 2, 2021 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said: I mean, humanity in games are in some capacity inspired of humanity in real life. You aren't gonna go to jail, but I dunno if you want to carry this conversation too much further lol. Ah, the old, clichéd "It causes people to become child molesters! Source: Dude, trust me." retort. Edited January 2, 2021 by Jigsy1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Jigsy1 said: Ah, the old, clichéd "It causes people to become child molesters" retort. Do people say that sort of thing to you a lot... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlonMercer Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) edit: mods should lock this thread, tired of looking at it constantly lol. Can I get my two hours back lmao, this started off as a topic about censorship that devolved into people accusing one another of being pedos and political shit, devils advocates, etc. lol wut Edited January 2, 2021 by AlonMercer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnichoj Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, thefourfoldroot said: Because it’s a serious discussion about MS moving towards the same censorship policies that Sony have implemented. Why would you want the conversation closed? No one in here actually gives a shit about what MS does. No actual conversation is going on. We started this thread at people calling other people that are into cartoons pedophiles. Going up from there was never an option. Why would you want it to stay open? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, AlonMercer said: It's really interesting how we've evolved over the last couple of years. 10 years ago this game wasn't an issue to many people but now, now it is an issue. The question many seem to asking, indirectly, is this: do fictional characters have rights? It seems bizarre but that is what this boils down to for me. I wasn't aware this game existed 10 years ago. It's not a concern for the rights or well-being of fictional children, but the mindset of those who lust after them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsy1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said: Do people say that sort of thing to you a lot... ? Isn't that exactly what you're doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jigsy1 said: Isn't that exactly what you're doing? If it's the first time, it's not a very old retort... EDIT: And fwiw, that's not what I was retorting. Edited January 2, 2021 by Dreakon13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlonMercer Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) edit: Nuking this message because I really don't think involving myself in this thread was a good idea. Too much arguing over something that isn't a big deal. Edited January 2, 2021 by AlonMercer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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