RPG Mania 2021 - Congrats AlterArchuria! (Completed)

[fisty123]

1 hour ago, Jens said:

I'm currently playing Chicory: A Colorful Tale with my fiance and PSNP calls it an RPG. But I would like to blacklist it in this event because it makes absolutely no sense. There's no combat (other than some bosses), you don't gain any experience, you don't skill anything. It's as much of an RPG as The Legend of Zelda is, even less so to be honest.

 

It's still very nebulous whether this platinum is even doable or not, but with those speedrun / new game points I feel like this could yield a lot of undeserved points

I too am playing it this,
This one comes down to the if you think older Zelda games are RPG or not, it plays like Link to the Past but with less monsters and more item finding and more puzzles and exploring. Of late exploring adventure games are getting sold as RPG some might hate that but its the truth in the current gaming world, you unlock skills but not level them up and this has side quests where Link to the Past does not.
The plat without a guide won't be easy unless they throw up more item finding items like the one to find all the cats at some point in the game hidden chests (Item boxes) are not even visible and make a sound when you walk near them with a faint sparkle, even in game you find people that say you are missing 5 chests in this area but it does not show up on the map. 
 

PSNP and Steam list it as RPG
PT.org and Sony store list it as Adventure
True Trophies have not got it as anything yet

So in the end for me it comes down to Psy's decision but I would be happy for it to eittjer stay or go, the term RPG has evolved as much as many hate that but this forum has had it's fair share off arguments over what should be an RPG stay or not so I will wait for the final verdict and continue playing it as the game itself is rather fun.

[Lord_Bane999]

7 hours ago, Jens said:

I'm currently playing Chicory: A Colorful Tale with my fiance and PSNP calls it an RPG. But I would like to blacklist it in this event because it makes absolutely no sense. There's no combat (other than some bosses), you don't gain any experience, you don't skill anything. It's as much of an RPG as The Legend of Zelda is, even less so to be honest.

 

It's still very nebulous whether this platinum is even doable or not, but with those speedrun / new game points I feel like this could yield a lot of undeserved points

I was just checking out that game last night and believe even on the PSN page it's listed as "Adventure".

 

How is he game though anyways is it like Scribblenauts level of freedom with how you paint to solve stuff?

[Jens]

@fisty123 I had no idea. I did browse the most recent players, but I must have completely missed your name

 

I don't know dude. The effort would make it worth it, especially with it still rocking zero platinum achievers (and we all know there's always this one guy playing something day and night to be the first achiever). But... there's literally nothing in it I would "need" to call it an RPG. You and I will have the EXACT same character when we are at the same spot in the story. And that defeats the definition of an RPG for me. Other than costumes there's just nothing to change your character's skills and that's like calling a game a Jump&Run without being able to jump.

 

@Lord_Bane999 I do like it. It looks super cute, it's actually surprisingly funny at times and the puzzles were all alright so far. But there are some technical issues you should be aware of. Give it some time to see where it's going, we all don't know how stable it'll be for now. One time the game crashed so hard on me that I saw the weirdest error notification on my home screen. It looked like it bricked my firmware

And no, there aren't really as many free choices as in Scribblenauts. Puzzles mostly revolve around something being colored or not, at least up to the point where I'm currently at. But you can take the time and color everything the way you want and the game will keep it that way, draw some specific pictures when the game asks you to do so, things like that. View it as a 2D Zelda game that has the paintbrush as its main gimmick, that's probably the best comparison I could think of.

[Eternal_Rach]

Update:

 

Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland DX

100 + 70 - 21.57 + 75 (series stacker) = 223.43

[Psy-Tychist]

On 07/06/2021 at 0:01 AM, Lord_Bane999 said:

"2) To determine what games qualify, it should specify RPG on this site under Genre on this site. There will be instances where some games will have RPG as a genre but have no RPG elements or even actually be an RPG. There will be three websites used to compare between to come to a consensus (PlaystationTrophies.org, PSNProfiles and TrueTrophies)."

 

I mean this rule is pretty concise in what it says. Some games will have a RPG tag even though they aren't RPGs. The argument that Zelda games and their clones are one have been around for a long time. But they aren't, they are Adventure games (with possibly the exception of Breath of the Wild which was based more in design on Western Open World RPGs). It's come down I believe to what I mentioned before RPG vs RPG-Lite mechanics.

 

Alot of games could be contested as a RPG just because they contain  mechanics or features usually regulated to RPGs. But it doesn't always make them such. On that same note just because one game might get approved as a RPG doesn't mean every other game like it will too. For example Bloodstained which was scored here while mostly a Metroidvania/Platform Exploration first is typically considered Action-RPGish due to it's gameplay style but wether it's allowed or not doesn't mean other Metroidvania titles for example would be thrown into the same category as well because they're similar enough they should each be separately approved still by Psy.

 

Further more everyone has their own idea of what is a RPG or not, even the people who log the genres on these sites. We could all find a single game already I bet on each other's lists/scores that probably a couple of us wouldn't agree is a RPG despite it getting approved. In these situations after we already speak our piece, whatever @Psy-Tychist decides on scoring as it's their own competition should be kept. They are supposed to be the defacto voice on what games end up getting scored. And if a reason has already been given for a game being scored or not it should stay as is. We shouldn't need to go back and reanalyze every single game after it's been given the verdict of approved or not.

 

Thank you to @Lord_Bane999 for posting this. From the last season there was a vouching system in place to come to a consensus on what games are actually RPG's and which are not. The reason I changed the ruling to include 3 sites is that it would help take the guesswork out of the equations and reduce the disagreements over what is classed as an RPG and what isn't. If there is a better solution for ruling what games would count and those that don't, I am happy to hear it.

 

On 10/06/2021 at 7:30 AM, TenebraZero said:

Ok ok guys, calm down i haven' t kill anyone, if it's a problem i'll change the double point game, same thing a with autopop. No problem at all. Same things Will Be applied with cheap RPG with Platinum pop After few hours tough. 

I'll wait for a response of @Psy-Tychist

 

This is something I was hoping wouldn't be needed in this kind of competition, but with the advent of the PS5 and further cross-saving for those that have the new console, a new rule will have to be introduced. As with a lot of competitions and events on here, autopops and stacking and under the strictest of rules, and they will be enforced here too. As with stacking, all autopopping will yield Zero Points and will be reflected in the Rules.

@TenebraZero you are allowed to change FF7 Intergrade to another game of your choosing. I don't believe you were wanting to get cheap points from the game as it has been insinuated but the game will score zero points in this competition I am afraid.

 

All score updates and changes will be completed later today and @Warpedsavior I will update the Double and Triple points games.

[Lord_Bane999]

@Jens

Game still sounds fun might pick it up enjoy casual puzzle games.

 

@Psy-Tychist 

I think the three site way is better at confirming games then a group vote. The comparing the sites gives a neutral or unbiased representation of the games being approved. Group voting will always be biased (for or against) and would require everyone to actually be active in the thread to participate as well (which not all of us always are).

[Leon Castle]

Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception

100 + 29 + 22 + 18 - 22.09 + 25 = 171.91 x 2 = 343.82

Now only Mask of Truth remains.

[Warpedsavior]

@Psy-Tychist sorry for the inconvenience, but I have decided what my new double and triple point games should be:

 

Triple Point: Touhou Genso Wanderer Reloaded

Double Point 1: Touhou Labyrinth: Gensokyo to Tenkan no Taiju

Double Point 2: Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk

[TenebraZero]

4 hours ago, Psy-Tychist said:

 

@TenebraZero you are allowed to change FF7 Intergrade to another game of your choosing. I don't believe you were wanting to get cheap points from the game as it has been insinuated but the game will score zero points in this competition I am afraid.

 

 

Thanks, i change the double point with Tales of Arise.

Edited June 15, 2021 by TenebraZero

[acasser]

7 hours ago, Warpedsavior said:

I have decided what my new double and triple point games should be:

 

Triple Point: Touhou Genso Wanderer Reloaded

 

Oh dear lord, I still have nightmares about that one.  My condolences to you, and best of luck.

[Lord_Bane999]

16 hours ago, Warpedsavior said:

@Psy-Tychist sorry for the inconvenience, but I have decided what my new double and triple point games should be:

 

Triple Point: Touhou Genso Wanderer Reloaded

Double Point 1: Touhou Labyrinth: Gensokyo to Tenkan no Taiju

Double Point 2: Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk

Before you lock in your new triple point wouldn't Reloaded count as a Most Wanted like the original and already have a multiplier? Or is the newer version easier?

[acasser]

3 hours ago, Lord_Bane999 said:

Before you lock in your new triple point wouldn't Reloaded count as a Most Wanted like the original and already have a multiplier? Or is the newer version easier?

 

No, the Reloaded version is not a "Most Wanted" version.  It's easier, but that's like saying Mugen Souls Z is easier than the original Mugen Souls, or that Awakened Fate Ultimatum is easier than Guided Fate Paradox.  The originals are a brutal, grindy slog; the "sequels" are simply less brutal and less grindy by comparison to the original but not necessarily as compared to the universe of other RPGs out there.

 

I had the ridiculous notion at the tail end of RPG Mania 2020 that I could finish Reloaded in a month and squeeze it in for one last score.  It took significantly longer than that with the necessary grinding to do one particular trophy and a lot of help from one very helpful user on the GameFAQs boards.

[Warpedsavior]

5 hours ago, Lord_Bane999 said:

Before you lock in your new triple point wouldn't Reloaded count as a Most Wanted like the original and already have a multiplier? Or is the newer version easier?

Nope, Reloaded wouldn’t count as a Most Wanted. As @acasser said, the Reloaded version is far, far less grindy and suppose to be easier then the vanilla version(thankfully Reloaded doesn’t require all mix and alchemy recipes like the original did), meaning while the original counts for Most Wanted, Reloaded doesn’t have that multiplier attached to it.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Warpedsavior

[Arctic Cress]

Figured I should do my callouts at some point, so I'm doing them now.

 

@Jens called me out a few pages ago so it's only fair that I do the same; my choice from your list is Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (0%), which is a game I am currently playing and enjoying myself throughout its runtime.

 

I couldn't call out Lord_Bane999 to respond to his call out of me because he already has three callouts. So I looked for someone with the opposite problem, having used theirs but not received enough. This led me to calling out @Leon Castle, and my choice from your list is Atelier Ayesha Plus: The Alchemist of Dusk (7%), the beginning to my personal favorite Atelier trilogy.

 

Finally, I picked someone who's somewhat active, but hasn't received or given out many callouts. So I'm calling out @Warpedsavior on Eiyuu Senki: The World Conquest (7%), a very odd game in general, but one of my favorite games from its release year and still enjoyable to play through.

[Jens]

2 hours ago, Arctic Cress said:

@Jens called me out a few pages ago so it's only fair that I do the same; my choice from your list is Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (0%), which is a game I am currently playing and enjoying myself throughout its runtime.

 

Acceptable and definitely on my to-do list, as all games I put on my profile at 0%  Once Gaming by Numbers is done for me we should get around to it. By the way, how was the call out I chose for you on a scale from 1 (you hate me now) to 10 (fits right into your existing gaming plans)?

[Arctic Cress]

19 hours ago, Jens said:

Acceptable and definitely on my to-do list, as all games I put on my profile at 0%  Once Gaming by Numbers is done for me we should get around to it. By the way, how was the call out I chose for you on a scale from 1 (you hate me now) to 10 (fits right into your existing gaming plans)?

 

I think it's around a 7, I don't exactly remember why I stopped playing it in the first place, and I played about a hour just the other day to figure out what I was currently doing in the game (apparently I'm just right after the route split). Though it will probably be after Gaming by Numbers for me as well, because I had planned my number 3 in that event to be, ironically enough, Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot.

[Lord_Bane999]

On 16/06/2021 at 9:42 AM, acasser said:

 

No, the Reloaded version is not a "Most Wanted" version.  It's easier, but that's like saying Mugen Souls Z is easier than the original Mugen Souls, or that Awakened Fate Ultimatum is easier than Guided Fate Paradox.  The originals are a brutal, grindy slog; the "sequels" are simply less brutal and less grindy by comparison to the original but not necessarily as compared to the universe of other RPGs out there.

 

I had the ridiculous notion at the tail end of RPG Mania 2020 that I could finish Reloaded in a month and squeeze it in for one last score.  It took significantly longer than that with the necessary grinding to do one particular trophy and a lot of help from one very helpful user on the GameFAQs boards.

Ah okay thanks for the clarification. I knew it condensed the story trophies but didn't know if it was an any easier then the original outside that.

[AlterArchuria]

Update:

 

God Eater Resurrection
100 + 69 - 8 = 161 + 50 = 211

[fisty123]

On 14/06/2021 at 8:37 AM, Jens said:

@fisty123 I had no idea. I did browse the most recent players, but I must have completely missed your name

I was playing the PS5 version which has it's own trophy list. Got the plat, was a fun game but it's more adventure then RPG, like I said last week I could attempt to make a case for it being RPG but its more a 2D adventure with minor RPG elements, so happy to leave this one off the list.

[Jens]

Lucky #13! First call out conquered with Ys IX: Monstrum Nox.

 

[100 + 44(B) + 14(S) + 12(G) - 25.6]*3 + 50 = 483.2

 

My third Ys game in this event after Ys Origin and Ys: Memories of Celceta. I did not expect that

[Laburnski]

6) SaGa Frontier Remastered - ( 202.52 )

100 + 70 - 17.48 = 152.52 + 50 ( Speedrun bonus ) = 202.52 points

[Eternal_Rach]

Update:

 

Atelier Totori: The Adventurer of Arland DX

100 + 65 - 29.55 x 2 + 100 (series stacker) = 370.9

[Jens]

Double up the 7 in FF7 Remake and you have our game #14 done and dusted!

 

100 + 44(B) + 14(S) + 12(G) - 18 = 152

 

Might lead to a bit of series stacking as well, but plans might change.

[acasser]

5) SMT III: Nocturne

 

100 + 67 (trophies) - 5.83 (platinum rarity bonus) + 50 (new release bonus) = 211.17

Double Point Game bonus:  211.17 x 2 = 422.34

 

Speaking of cutting things really, really, really close.... the timestamp on my platinum trophy was 11:57:50 PM EDT on Friday June 25th for a title that released on May 25th.  Two minutes and a couple of seconds to spare just inside the wire, I believe.  That ferocious late cramming was something.  (Something unspeakable, perhaps, but something nonetheless.)

 

I'm also going to deploy my third and final call-out for this competition.  @xZoneHunter, it appears that you haven't been called out three times just yet.... so I call you out on The Banner Saga (currently at 11% / 8 trophies).

[fisty123]

I never looked into this or asked it but does the series stacker bonus points need to be in a row or can it be spread out of the season?