NxtDoc Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, SnowxSakura said: It took nothing away from the story mode as the mass effect team didn't even develop it, bioware montreal did, the same team that went on to make andromeda. It's been documented for a long time that the reason the story mode was so crappy as casey hudson took over writing duties after drew karpyshyn retired following mass effect 2. He didn't even let the other writers at bioware look over the story he wrote and just pushed it through. What does it matter which team developed it? Andromeda got slammed for what is in my opinion petty reasons. Especially considering ME3 was in fact, a linear corridor shooter. It pushed you from one point to the next. ME1 did not do that, neither did Dragon Age origins. But you know what games did take a step back, and came out one after the other. Dragon Age 2, and ME3. It was obvious that EA was forcing BioWare to cater to casuals, and make them more action-y I just don't get the defense of ME3. People complained about Dragon Age 2, then Inquisition got back to its roots. Andromeda got back to it's roots with the refined combat of 3. And it got slammed despite being better in nearly every way to ME3. ME3 is the worst Mass Effect game, it isn't defensible Edited February 4, 2021 by NxtDoc Add info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Valkirye22 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 7:33 PM, SnowxSakura said: It makes sense on a manufacturing level. Instead of having to print the boxes with specific platforms on it, they can just have a one all box for whatever one you decide to buy the game for true, but it's still a dick move for that sort of money - why not include a universal code for download on platform of choice? Or it's as easy as marking your console/PC on the order and they slip a code letter into the box when shipping or give it to you on pick up. I'm a big fan of certain games, ME being one of them, but this sort of 'collector' stuff I never understood - one thing I know I would want as part of the 'superfan' edition would be the base game itself included in one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, NxtDoc said: What does it matter which team developed it? Andromeda got slammed for what is in my opinion petty reasons. Especially considering ME3 was in fact, a linear corridor shooter. It pushed you from one point to the next. ME1 did not do that, neither did Dragon Age origins. But you know what games did take a step back, and came out one after the other. Dragon Age 2, and ME3. It was obvious that EA was forcing BioWare to cater to casuals, and make them more action-y I just don't get the defense of ME3. People complained about Dragon Age 2, then Inquisition got back to its roots. Andromeda got back to it's roots with the refined combat of 3. And it got slammed despite being better in nearly every way to ME3. ME3 is the worst Mass Effect game, it isn't defensible Mass Effect 3 is definitely not the worst ME game. Andromeda is not good at all, it suffers from the same exact problems that Inquisition does. A bland world with repeatable pointless fetch quests. Mass effect 1 is no better either, all those lifeless planets for those side quests? What a joke. Yes, the ending in 3 sucked, but I still enjoy it way more than 1 or andromeda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennethMcCormick Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, NxtDoc said: [...] ME3 is the worst Mass Effect game, it isn't defensible Some might say that Marauder Shields does a pretty good job at defending it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NxtDoc Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, KennethMcCormick said: Some might say that Marauder Shields does a pretty good job at defending it. Haha well said 1 hour ago, SnowxSakura said: Mass Effect 3 is definitely not the worst ME game. Andromeda is not good at all, it suffers from the same exact problems that Inquisition does. A bland world with repeatable pointless fetch quests. Mass effect 1 is no better either, all those lifeless planets for those side quests? What a joke. Yes, the ending in 3 sucked, but I still enjoy it way more than 1 or andromeda Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communistwookiee Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, GonzoWARgasm said: Does Biomutant have a confirmed released date?? The official Twitter account confirmed it a couple weeks ago and THQ Nordic issued a press release on it. Edited February 5, 2021 by communistwookiee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightDragon Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Wonder how different the trophies will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatThaRiPP3R84 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 im very much looking forward to this, I just hope they don't fuck up the remaster. im hoping for mafia remastered, not mafia 2 remastered. surely they won't release a mess early though, not for theese games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebourne07 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 hours ago, KennethMcCormick said: Some might say that Marauder Shields does a pretty good job at defending it. Lmao, I understood that reference. The Marauder Shields memes were hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagszilla Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 It’s funny for them to include the 40 DLCs line. Oh how they grasp at those straws. I see Fem Shep got a bad case of Bell’s Palsy along with her Botox injections. I’ve always thought Mass Effect 2 was overrated from a story perspective. The Elusive Man is a big yawn. Then again, he’s not Kai Lang, so he looks pretty by comparison. Mass Effect 3 has a lot of interesting stuff going for it, unfortunately really fell flat on its face re: choices and arching paths. 15 minutes ago, MatThaRiPP3R84 said: im very much looking forward to this, I just hope they don't fuck up the remaster. im hoping for mafia remastered, not mafia 2 remastered. Sorry bro, best I can do is a texture sharpen, 60 FPS, and a JJ Abrams lens flare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shua_J Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I'm actually interested in this because I haven't played the series since they were new. Getting it on PS4 would be great because I'm not transitioning to 5 for a year minimum...and even then...this is the year for straight up cleaning my list and I'm already on top of that. My only concern is the corporate jargon is real...and when they get too deep into perception management...you know it's going to be a gigantic, colossal, enormous, vast, tremendous, massively monstrous mammoth pile of shit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagszilla Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I just saw a comparison video. They really bolloxed up the color grading at the end of Citadel level of Mass Effect 1. It’s one of my favorite sections in all of video games. Eerie, atmospheric. That really sucks. That said, Mass Effect 3 performed like absolute trash on PS3. Crashes and would even corrupt saves regularly. ME1 was okay not great and I’ve yet to play ME2 on PS3. So this will be positive for people who’ve never played the series. Not interested or optimistic in their new reboot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnybaz85 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 Now that we have a release date and more information on the upcoming release, i feel more positive towards the Legendary edition and the almost `remake kinda remaster` of Mass Effect 1. For those criticising the different aspects of the upcoming LE release, if we nitpick, Bioware could have allowed Mod Support & moved the game to Unreal 4 Engine but then again this is the Remaster Console Gamers like myself have been asking for almost a decade, just the games first and foremost. If Mods are really that important gamers, well they can continue to play the games with their 200+ Mods on PC, but I'm sure everyone appreciates how consolidating all the games into one package is a win win for all of us, regardless of the platform you chose to play on. As much as people keep mentioning the stellar Multiplayer for ME3, lets take a step back... the Mass Effect series ( 1 - 3 ) has always been lauded, celebrated, loved and cherished for it's lore, story telling, character development especially through the companions and how decisions affect the trilogy, so i don't think the lack of MP will in any way, take away from your love and appreciation for one of the best Sci Fi Video Games. Finally, i am beyond elated and cannot wait to delve back into the world of Mass Effect possibly going after the trophies and i have even started reading through the whole compendium of Dark Horse comics for the series to prepare for May...can i also recommend the TV Show " The Expanse " which in my opinion gives off serious ME Vibes and is a stellar show! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeblunt Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 This is going to be a mess. They changed the look to much in my opinion and they even went so far and censored Miranda. I miss the old bioware. It's very sad that they allow the new untalented bioware team to mess with this legendary franchise and change the original vision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PostalDudeRus Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Not going to touch it if it doesn't include original ME1 as it is, without "improvements". ME1 is my favorite game in trilogy and I love every aspect of it, including how it plays and how it looks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taliesin_2943 Posted February 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, hazeblunt said: This is going to be a mess. They changed the look to much in my opinion and they even went so far and censored Miranda. I miss the old bioware. It's very sad that they allow the new untalented bioware team to mess with this legendary franchise and change the original vision Miranda isn't censored nothing's really censored they just moved a couple camera angles that made no sense to the plot of the scene like a very serious conversation or a depressing one and the camera is centered on a characters ass so now it's probably more on her hips or something from what I'm understanding but the sex scenes and any nudity is intact it was less about censoring and more about fixing camera angles that just didn't make sense But again that's how I understand what the dudcwhen explained. It would be nice if they included in video camera movement so if u just need to stare at ass whole they talk about mass genocide or toast you can 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gommes_ Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Glad being able to finally play this. Missed it on the PS3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darling Baphomet Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 10:14 AM, NxtDoc said: What does it matter which team developed it? Andromeda got slammed for what is in my opinion petty reasons. Especially considering ME3 was in fact, a linear corridor shooter. It pushed you from one point to the next. ME1 did not do that, neither did Dragon Age origins. I mean, I actually like Mass Effect Andromeda, but there was a ton wrong with it. Linear corridor shooter or not, ME3 knew what it was doing. Andromeda felt like a bunch of half baked ideas forced together into a rushed product. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatThaRiPP3R84 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 i loved all of them, the original was great but combat wasn't very good, overheating constantly was annoying. The Sequel is both, one of the greatest games ever made, and shockingly dissapointing, they decided to strip away much of the rpg feel of the game and make it just a third person shooter with abilities. and the story was 1 part reboot 1 part continuation. the third was ok, basically it was rushed and with a dissapointing ending that felt like a BSG reskin. Andromeda had some crazy cringe moments and a very generic tried and tested way about it, it was enjoyable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamoPh Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) On 1/24/2021 at 2:49 AM, Darling Baphomet said: Honestly I was part of the whole ME3 ending controversy back then, and in retrospect, a lot of the outrage was very manufactured. The synthesis ending was complete dogshit, granted, and the star child was... well, weird, but the reapers relied on mystery so heavily that honestly, any full revelation of them would have fallen short. Unless they went for something like Dead Space did (mind you, I never actually played Dead Space 3) with the cosmic horror-esque brother moons, or whatever, but as far as I can tell, those were pretty badly received as well. Like, I don't see where the indoctrination theory would have gotten us. We already had an impossibly tight scenario - a godlike species that had successfully culled all sentient life in the galaxy for god knows how long - that required a deus ex machine to solve. By the end of Mass Effect 3, if Shepherd ends up indoctrinated, and by extension, the defense against the reapers is sabotaged or falls short... what then? There's really no way to preserve Mass Effect as a series without either a reboot or a deus ex machina so ridiculous it makes the star child look like a monument of storytelling achievement. The only way I could see the indoctrination theory working out is if Mass Effect 4 ended up being a post apocalyptic space survival game, which... well, wouldn't be much of a Mass Effect game. Others have already replied, but since it was originally addressed to me might as well give my own late 2 cents. If you're convinced that they had written themselves into a corner and there was no way out other than a deus ex machina, I can see why the ending wouldn't disappoint you as much. This wasn't really the case though. We knew that our cycle was the first one to actually be given a fighting chance as a united galaxy, on account of how the Protheans made sure we could still make use of the mass relays to fight back, unlike literally every cycle before. The seeds of the path of victory were already sowed from the very first game. Then the second gave us scattered hints with regards to their motivation, which we never got to see play out as it was envisioned back then. As for what the indoctrination theory would give us, literally just a clean slate to rewrite the ending in a way that doesn't crap all over everything that came before. One of the writers leaked that Casey Hudson and Mac Walters decided to scrap all previous work and write the ending on their own, without consulting any of the rest of the team. So yeah, a chance to make the ending anything that isn't like that. Not that I honestly believe that the current Bioware that gave us Andromeda can really match the team from back then, but one can dream. Edited February 12, 2021 by NamoPh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darling Baphomet Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, NamoPh said: Others have already replied, but since it was originally addressed to me might as well give my own late 2 cents. If you're convinced that they had written themselves into a corner and there was no way out other than a deus ex machina, I can see why the ending wouldn't disappoint you as much. This wasn't really the case though. We knew that our cycle was the first one to actually be given a fighting chance as a united galaxy, on account of how the Protheans made sure we could still make use of the mass relays to fight back, unlike literally every cycle before. The seeds of the path of victory were already sowed from the very first game. Then the second gave us scattered hints with regards to their motivation, which we never got to see play out as it was envisioned back then. As for what the indoctrination theory would give us, literally just a clean slate to rewrite the ending in a way that doesn't crap all over everything that came before. One of the writers leaked that Casey Hudson and Mac Walters decided to scrap all previous work and write the ending on their own, without consulting any of the rest of the team. So yeah, a chance to make the ending anything that isn't like that. Not that I honestly believe that the current Bioware that gave us Andromeda can really match the team from back then, but one can dream. By the end of Mass Effect 3, yeah, I think there was nothing you could have done except employ a Deus Ex Machina. By the end of Mass Effect 2, maybe not so much - but Mass Effect 3, as a whole, was not a game that really facilitated a proper ending. If, for instance, they had had you uncovering the civilization that had built the reapers gradually, and then finally find something left over from them that could have changed the tide of the war, that could have given a properly epic finale. But instead, for the entirety of the game, the final game in the trilogy, we were at "oh shit, we're beyond fucked". Like, the reaper invasion was imminent and people still didn't even believe they existed. The universe was as divided as ever, maybe moreso. It was a complete and utter shitshow. The pacing of the game, I think, did not allow for a proper ending. Maybe if the reapers had started with the borders of space and given civilization more time to unify and mount a proper counter-attack, but it unfortunately had a bit too much of a desperation fetish. Also, Mass Effect Andromeda was made by a Bioware support studio, which has since been closed (iirc). So it's not the current Bioware, nor is it going to be involved in future Bioware titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamoPh Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Darling Baphomet said: By the end of Mass Effect 3, yeah, I think there was nothing you could have done except employ a Deus Ex Machina. By the end of Mass Effect 2, maybe not so much - but Mass Effect 3, as a whole, was not a game that really facilitated a proper ending. If, for instance, they had had you uncovering the civilization that had built the reapers gradually, and then finally find something left over from them that could have changed the tide of the war, that could have given a properly epic finale. But instead, for the entirety of the game, the final game in the trilogy, we were at "oh shit, we're beyond fucked". Like, the reaper invasion was imminent and people still didn't even believe they existed. The universe was as divided as ever, maybe moreso. It was a complete and utter shitshow. The pacing of the game, I think, did not allow for a proper ending. Maybe if the reapers had started with the borders of space and given civilization more time to unify and mount a proper counter-attack, but it unfortunately had a bit too much of a desperation fetish. Also, Mass Effect Andromeda was made by a Bioware support studio, which has since been closed (iirc). So it's not the current Bioware, nor is it going to be involved in future Bioware titles. Oh I agree there, while the rest of Mass Effect 3 wasn't as painfully bad as the ending, I could tell that the problems started the instant the Crucible was introduced. Even the way it was found didn't make sense, how convenient that it was always in the Mars archives, and somehow was only just discovered. The Crucible derailed the story entirely and made the whole game about uniting the galaxy to build it, rather than uniting the galaxy to fight the reapers. I can't really begin to guess at what part of the writing process it was added, because it just feels shoehorned. We'll never know, I suppose. Also it's not just Andromeda, Bioware has failed to produce a great game since. I would wager all of the talent has left the building. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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