Cyberpunk 2077 - overpromise, sell, underdeliver (Crowbcat)

[Lordidude 591]

Probably the best thing that C2077 has done is waking Crowbcat from his hiatus so he can create his Magnum Opus.

The video essay covers not only the insane amount of bugs but also the blatant lies and promised features that were never realized.

 

Enjoy.

 

Edited January 19, 2021 by Lordidude

[PeachXHime 168]

What CDPR has done is unacceptable. Extremely shady practices severely damaged my good will towards the company, and I'm sure many others are with me here. They will never see a cent from me again.

[Dreakon13 2,762]

Yeah, it's a pretty crappy thing they did.

 

But geez, people are acting like they murdered a family member over $60. They offered refunds, they promised to fix the game, it's a pretty small amount of money in the grand scheme of things that you willingly gave them. If it bothers you that much still, consider it a lesson learned in how you spend your money and move on already.

[DaivRules 14,780]

There would be a whole lot less whining in the world if people would do two things:

1. Realize they’re subjecting themselves to marketing, constantly. 
2. Wait to part with their money until they can examine the product, then decide if it’s worth their money. 
 

Giving money before you can examine what you’re paying for is for suckers. People can be mad all day if they get taken, but it’s their fault. Buying the marketing was the risk and they chose to take on that risk. 
 

The fact that this instance bailed out any and everyone who jumped on the personally offended train and people are still acting so taken aback shows how many people are avoiding personal responsibility. 
 

It’s just a game. It’s just a company. Leave your emotional journey in your diary. Move on, learn your lesson. 

[Shua_J 172]

This industry is a magnet for predatory business practices because for some reason unknown to the universe and humanity...gamers tend to think their favorite developers are their buddies and as a result will make miles of exceptions and allowances that would be acceptable in nearly no other industry on planet Earth.

[PeachXHime 168]

33 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

There would be a whole lot less whining in the world if people would do two things:

1. Realize they’re subjecting themselves to marketing, constantly. 
2. Wait to part with their money until they can examine the product, then decide if it’s worth their money. 
 

Giving money before you can examine what you’re paying for is for suckers. People can be mad all day if they get taken, but it’s their fault. Buying the marketing was the risk and they chose to take on that risk. 
 

The fact that this instance bailed out any and everyone who jumped on the personally offended train and people are still acting so taken aback shows how many people are avoiding personal responsibility. 
 

It’s just a game. It’s just a company. Leave your emotional journey in your diary. Move on, learn your lesson. 

Pretty sure blatantly lying about your product and manipulating journalists to boost sales is illegal, hence this is being taken to court and CDPR is being sued right now. They misrepresented everything and you're still blaming the consumer? I didn't pre-order this game myself but that is some flawed rhetoric to say the least

 

 

[Ac3dUd3- 761]

Here we go again lol. I bought it at launch for the ps4, didnt play due to the game state quickly being realized. I asked for a refund from Sony. I was refunded. I moved on. The world didn't end, I was shocked to be honest.

 

You are all turning into a bunch of Karen's. Its literally no monetary loss if you got a refund. Your family member could die from covid and you are all acting like this is the most important thing in the world.

 

Go play your stupid big backlog like every other gamer.

 

 

[PeachXHime 168]

22 minutes ago, Ac3dUd3- said:

Here we go again lol. I bought it at launch for the ps4, didnt play due to the game state quickly being realized. I asked for a refund from Sony. I was refunded. I moved on. The world didn't end, I was shocked to be honest.

 

You are all turning into a bunch of Karen's. Its literally no monetary loss if you got a refund. Your family member could die from covid and you are all acting like this is the most important thing in the world.

 

Go play your stupid big backlog like every other gamer.

 

 

Ah yes, so instead of spending a portion of our time discussing this incident, we should all just move on and focus exclusively on whatever else is going on in the world and playing the backlog. Like I get what you're saying but you realize that's just your opinion right?

We're free to discuss our thoughts about the game, the consequences and the industry in general, your "lmao just move on" isn't helping.

You could have been discussing football trading cards or whatever else is piquing your interests but instead still felt the need to post this.

Edited January 19, 2021 by PeachXHime

[Yukiko Amagi 8,855]

Well i've platinum the game last year and got my full refund back and for this...yeah it's disappointing.

[Ac3dUd3- 761]

12 minutes ago, PeachXHime said:

Ah yes, so instead of spending a portion of our time discussing this incident, we should all just move on and focus exclusively on whatever else is going on in the world and playing the backlog. Like I get what you're saying but you realize that's just your opinion right?

We're free to discuss our thoughts about the game, the consequences and the industry in general, your "lmao just move on" isn't helping.

You could have been discussing football trading cards or whatever else is piquing your interests but instead still felt the need to post this.

Exactly, my opinion. Just like you have stated yours

 

You disagreeing with it is fine, there was no need to post your comment lol.

 

We have now just gotten absolutely nowhere, well done

[JoesusHCrust 666]

There are plenty of bigger issues in the World but this is a forum to discuss games! Dishonesty and selling a broken product are the fault of the seller, not the buyer. 

Personally, I don't buy games at launch because it seems to me that it has become industry practice to launch games i nan unfinished state. 

Someone said that $60.00 is not a lot of money. For many, it is. I could not afford to spend $60.00 on a game - that's my weekly food shopping bill! 

[DaivRules 14,780]

54 minutes ago, PeachXHime said:

Pretty sure blatantly lying about your product and manipulating journalists to boost sales is illegal, hence this is being taken to court and CDPR is being sued right now. They misrepresented everything and you're still blaming the consumer? I didn't pre-order this game myself but that is some flawed rhetoric to say the least

 

 

 

So you're saying consumers shouldn't examine what they buy before they fork over their money? And that if they did that, no amount of "lying about your product and manipulating journalists" would be possible?

 

Consumers are responsible for guarding their money. They part with it of their own will. To say otherwise is foolish. The claims of "blatantly lying about a product", "manipulating journalists to boost sales", and "misrepresenting everything" all throw personal responsibility as a consumer out the window as passive victims in any exchange and is disingenuous at best. This is all going to end up with examination of CDPR's advertising since all the claims are just about the advertisements. Also, this may set some precedence in journalistic integrity that would be really nice to see, but I highly doubt since journalists are just another part of the advertising machine these days, that anything will change with that.

 

Presence of a lawsuit does not mean the sued party is guilty. If you're going to reference a lawsuit of fitting what you're trying to say, you need to wait for it to finish to point to facts. Anyone can sue anyone over anything. Once the lawsuit resolves, feel free to come back and explain how effective it ends up being.

12 minutes ago, JoesusHCrust said:

There are plenty of bigger issues in the World but this is a forum to discuss games! Dishonesty and selling a broken product are the fault of the seller, not the buyer. 

Someone said that $60.00 is not a lot of money. For many, it is. I could not afford to spend $60.00 on a game - that's my weekly food shopping bill! 

 

You are right of course that dishonesty (in advertisements) and selling broken products are the fault of the seller. Forking over money before being to examine the product to see if the ads were dishonest and if the product was broken is risky and foolish. The company shouldn't just get away with it, but enablers shouldn't be absolved of their part either. Getting a refund made them whole in this particular scenario. They should be less risky going forward.

 

$60 IS relative to the spender. It's just telling how many of the most vocal complainers have a plethora of $60 new release games on their profiles. And since you don't have $60 to risk after watching some advertising and giving that $60 up without waiting to see what you're getting, you're being a responsible consumer, like everyone should be.

Edited January 19, 2021 by DaivRules

[PeachXHime 168]

1 minute ago, Ac3dUd3- said:

Exactly, my opinion. Just like you have stated yours

 

You disagreeing with it is fine, there was no need to post your comment lol.

 

We have now just gotten absolutely nowhere, well done

You are on a public message board, I'm not sure if you understand but this is a place where discussions are being held, if you're just trying to be smug posting ''move on lol'' thus preventing the discussion to progress in a direction that is relevant to the topic at hand, then I don't see how that is healthy for this forum. That's the point I am trying to make, your post was as shallow as it gets and contributed nothing.

 

While not supporting CDPR financially in any way in the future, I do hope this leaves a mark on the rest of the industry, and hopefully other big corpos will take note, we can not defend this kind of hypocrisy from game studios anymore

[HusKy 7,335]

29 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

So you're saying consumers shouldn't examine what they buy before they fork over their money? And that if they did that, no amount of "lying about your product and manipulating journalists" would be possible?

 

Consumers are responsible for guarding their money. They part with it of their own will. To say otherwise is foolish. The claims of "blatantly lying about a product", "manipulating journalists to boost sales", and "misrepresenting everything" all throw personal responsibility as a consumer out the window as passive victims in any exchange and is disingenuous at best.

 

This would be a mild case of victim blaming at best. Every video released by CDPR was misleading. I'm not sure what kind of research you can do before buying a game on day 1 but these videos were all there was to see. To say it's consumers fault for preordering is simply wrong.

 

I bought RDR2 on day 1, it was flawless pretty much. No drama, no fiasco. But if the game was as shitty as CP2077, I would be very disappointed.

 

I have no stake in this personally, I will play the game on PS5 if it ever gets fixed.

Edited January 19, 2021 by HusKy

[DaivRules 14,780]

3 minutes ago, HusKy said:

This would be a mild case of victim blaming at best. Every video released by CDPR was misleading. I'm not sure what kind of research you can do before buying a game on day 1 but these videos were all there was to see. To say it's consumers fault for preordering is simply wrong.

Im saying that preordering/buying day 1 is a risk. Always. No matter the industry. Just because it works out sometimes doesn’t mean it will always work out. When it doesn’t work out, acknowledging that it was a risk should happen. 

[Angel 1,456]

I recently watched this video and it was quite sad how it all went down. Although I never really followed the hype over this game, it looked to have great potential even if it was based on false promises.

Overall, another great vid from Crowbcat!

[YROSHIKU 172]

Love the video, had a really good laugh with it 😂.

[HusKy 7,335]

13 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

Im saying that preordering/buying day 1 is a risk. Always. No matter the industry. Just because it works out sometimes doesn’t mean it will always work out. When it doesn’t work out, acknowledging that it was a risk should happen. 

 

Yes, day 1 is certainly risk. I guess part of the problem is that with multiple delays already happening, no one expected that it would ever be such a huge disaster. Though if someone buys the next CDPR game day 1 and it turns out to be garbage again, that's definitely on them. The whole "fool me once..." thing.

[BeeR3Dx 22]

At the beginning the video was funny but for me it honestly got sad pretty fast. So many promises, lies, delays... I feel sorry for the developers but the higher-ups are a bunch of scumbags and I hope they will get sued. The gaming industry is getting worse and worse...

 

But hey, atleast there aren't any microtransactions...

[scemopagliaccioh 929]

Daiv has said it perfectly, only thing I would like to add, stop looking for a new "saint" company, to use  against the "demonic" EA, Activision, Ubisoft etc, that's what makes people suckers.

Companies are made of a great handful of individuals who constantly changes, what you see as a name means nothing, CDPR itself, how many  of the staff from Witcher 3 are still there, for example?

 

[Dreakon13 2,762]

1 hour ago, PeachXHime said:

You are on a public message board, I'm not sure if you understand but this is a place where discussions are being held, if you're just trying to be smug posting ''move on lol'' thus preventing the discussion to progress in a direction that is relevant to the topic at hand, then I don't see how that is healthy for this forum. That's the point I am trying to make, your post was as shallow as it gets and contributed nothing.

 

While not supporting CDPR financially in any way in the future, I do hope this leaves a mark on the rest of the industry, and hopefully other big corpos will take note, we can not defend this kind of hypocrisy from game studios anymore

 

There are basically two ways to potentially fix the problem...

1. Make such a big deal out of this that no company ever does anything questionable for money ever again.

2. Have some personal accountability.  If you disagree with what happened, don't pre-order games.

 

Protip: #1 will never happen.  People will always do questionable things over money, and companies like this sole purpose is to make money.  You already have CDPR's head on a pike, that discussion has been had ad nauseum... and now you're just doing worse and worse things to that head as people just sort of watch on in horror.

 

The best course of action is enough of #1 to vent and make it hurt, then quietly shift to #2.  The latter isn't happening.

Edited January 19, 2021 by Dreakon13

[Lordidude 591]

2 hours ago, Ac3dUd3- said:

You are all turning into a bunch of Karen's. Its literally no monetary loss if you got a refund.

For some it's not only about the refund.

I bought CDPR stock back in 2016 but didn't really buy the hype. I knew people would go crazy.

 

A few days before release I read and saw that the reviewers were not allowed to use their own footage which is a red flag.

I quickly sold most of my stock before the bubble burst and the whole thing crashed.

 

A friend lost a lot of money this way and he is joining the class action lawsuit for fraud.

[PeachXHime 168]

27 minutes ago, Dreakon13 said:

 

There are basically two ways to potentially fix the problem...

1. Make such a big deal out of this that no company ever does anything questionable for money ever again.

2. Have some personal accountability.  If you disagree with what happened, don't pre-order games.

 

Protip: #1 will never happen.  People will always do questionable things over money, and companies like this sole purpose is to make money.  You already have CDPR's head on a pike, that discussion has been had ad nauseum... and now you're just doing worse and worse things to that head as people just sort of watch on in horror.

 

The best course of action is enough of #1 to vent and make it hurt, then quietly shift to #2.  The latter isn't happening.

Pre-ordering games has become worse over time, the environment we're in now simply doesn't allow us to have faith in the bigger game studios any longer. With such a huge market to exploit, it's to be expected from a bunch of greedy suits in charge. Also, it seemingly has become a trend that delayed games are eventually shit, Miyamoto's quote doesn't hold up anymore, times for sure have changed.

[DaivRules 14,780]

10 minutes ago, Lordidude said:

For some it's not only about the refund.

I bought CDPR stock back in 2016 but didn't really buy the hype. I knew people would go crazy.

 

A few days before release I read and saw that the reviewers were not allowed to use their own footage which is a red flag.

I quickly sold most of my stock before the bubble burst and the whole thing crashed.

 

A friend lost a lot of money this way and he is joining the class action lawsuit for fraud.

 

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/v2/cd-projekt-red-class-action-lawsuit-cyberpunk-2077-cdpr-investors/

 

That lawsuit has practically has no chance of succeeding.

[IcedPineapplez 31]

Glad looking past the bugs has become more mainstream now, empty ass city. 

18 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

 

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/v2/cd-projekt-red-class-action-lawsuit-cyberpunk-2077-cdpr-investors/

 

That lawsuit has practically has no chance of succeeding.

 

Yup fraud is an tough thing to prove- trust me i'm a final year law student.