Joker-Kun890 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stan Lee said: "Ah, but by using the name of a group that these individuals identify with and you called out nobody in particular, you yourself are the immature one!" Sure, if you want to put words in people's mouths. I actually didn't call you immature. I said you should lead by example when asking others to be more mature and pointed out that starting off your post calling people incels seems petty. You'll likely turn people away from an otherwise good post. Thanks for the combative snippy response though. Btw, I'm happy to hear your love for the FF7 remake. I recently just played through the original and have owned the Deluxe edition of the remake since launch. I may have to bump that to the front of the line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegaMan-X4 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 The projection level is unchar... I mean off the charts in this thread. Don't care, sorry. Just quit quoting me plz, so I can stop being polite to be back here reading some of your typical and quite predictable rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Joker-Kun890 said: Thanks for the combative snippy response though. Btw, I'm happy to hear your love for the FF7 remake. I recently just played through the original and have owned the Deluxe edition of the remake since launch. I may have to bump that to the front of the line. I meant no disrespect to you, dude, my bad. I just woke up today and chose violence. But if my recommendation means anything at all through all this, Remake is a fantastic game, just try to be open about the ending and some of the changes and no doubt you'll love it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KingGuy420 Posted January 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2021 I’ve never understood this whole thing anyways. When I think “GOTY” I tend to think of games that do new things in creative ways or push the envelope of what a video game can be. And yet year after year these linear story driven games that we’ve seen a million times win it all. This is something that has boggled my mind for the better part of a decade now. Guess I’ll just never understand it at this point. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker-Kun890 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stan Lee said: I meant no disrespect to you, dude, my bad. I just woke up today and chose violence. But if my recommendation means anything at all through all this, Remake is a fantastic game, just try to be open about the ending and some of the changes and no doubt you'll love it. No problem. My apologies if it seemed like I was targeting you specifically. I only commented because I found the rest of your post helpful. RE: FF7R, Im horrible when it comes to spoilers so I have a bit of an idea about some of the changes already. I think I'll definitely play that next. Then onto the Naughty Dog games. Cheers. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordidude Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, KingGuy420 said: I’ve never understood this whole thing anyways. When I think “GOTY” I tend to think of games that do new things in creative ways or push the envelope of what a video game can be. And yet year after year these linear story driven games that we’ve seen a million times win it all. This is something that has boggled my mind for the better part of a decade now. Guess I’ll just never understand it at this point. I also prefer gameplay over walkie-talkie stories. But ever since TLOU in 2013 all games tried to emulate that feeling. Every game feels the same nowadays but this is simply the time we are in. After 2001 and Halo: Combat Evolved every console game was a shooter. That oversaturated trend died with TLOU. This will go away in a few years when something else arrives (seems like Battle Royale might be the next biggest trend). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sword Posted January 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2021 Congrats for TLOU2 winning a lot of awards. I hope that going into the next generation we can start to see developers aim towards making the accessibility options standard to what we've seen here. My only issue with TLOU2 has only ever been the story and certain characters, just because of the way they are portrayed and how the interact with the world around them. There is some questionable decisions and writing choices that make the story sub-par for me and I think they could have done better. After watching a lot of story beats on YouTube and live streams I just decided the game (story wise) was not for me and that's OK. I will say though that it is unfortunate that there are certain labels that can be thrown my way just because of the fact that I haven't actually "played" the game. Isn't that what reviews, free videos and opinions are for? To discuss and see what you'd like/not like before making a purchase? I just don't understand how actually playing the game will magically change the story and dialogue based on what I've literally seen/heard in videos from the game itself. The game certainly looks beautiful, but I just don't like the story (which seems to be one of the core aspects of the game), so it's a pass for me. You can put all the garnish you want on the dish, but if the main meat just ain't right, I won't bite. Anyways, I'm glad a lot of people did like it and I think that's pretty cool. Hopefully we can continue to see a lot of awesome games that appeal to all different types of people in the upcoming generation. I think there's room in gaming for all types of people, this game just wasn't one of those games for me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSTORM-25 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Mods are working overtime deleting comments ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) For starters, who cares about game awards. That said, people saying it doesn't deserve awards because of crunch, or because they don't like Druckmann's attitude, or whatever... have forgotten a key factor in that. None of those things really have to do with the end product. They have to do with how it got there, they have to do with how people responded to it afterwards, but shouldn't really factor into how "good" the game is. Clouded judgement and all that. Turn off the internet for a while and judge games on their own merits. Also, whether I think it's the best game of the year or not, it absolutely deserved accolades. It's a great game. I personally got more out of Ghost of Tsushima. Edited January 26, 2021 by Dreakon13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MissShake Posted January 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2021 Me whenever there's a thread for TLOU II: 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peneuvista Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 What happened in 2013 to have 528 awards? I have not played it yet, but it is, maybe, the only game that I would install inmediately to play after buy it. I dont say that it is good or bad, I just want to check it by myself... hopefully with an added multiplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy_flies Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I'm currently on my second playthrough for the platinum (missed some collectibles). It was already my favourite game of 2020. But this time around I'm appreciating it so much more. Without the tension I had first time around (always expecting an ambush or an infected to leap out at me) I'm getting the chance to really soak in the art and performance which just astoundingly good. It is still thoroughly depressing, but also captivating and ridiculously gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, guy_flies said: I'm currently on my second playthrough for the platinum (missed some collectibles). It was already my favourite game of 2020. But this time around I'm appreciating it so much more. Without the tension I had first time around (always expecting an ambush or an infected to leap out at me) I'm getting the chance to really soak in the art and performance which just astoundingly good. It is still thoroughly depressing, but also captivating and ridiculously gorgeous. I'll probably wait and see if it gets a proper PS5 update of some sort, but I've been thinking about a second playthrough ever since I finished it at launch. Seems like the kinda game that could benefit from it. Edited January 26, 2021 by Dreakon13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fresquinho Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Never played the game, not even the first one (cuz I hate zombie games) but boy oh boy how I enjoy eating my popcorn and watch angry gamers talking shit to each other over a freaking game! Edited January 26, 2021 by fresquinho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life-is-Torture Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Naughty God did it again. For me it's one of the greatest games ever made, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy_flies Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Sword said: Congrats for TLOU2 winning a lot of awards. I hope that going into the next generation we can start to see developers aim towards making the accessibility options standard to what we've seen here. My only issue with TLOU2 has only ever been the story and certain characters, just because of the way they are portrayed and how the interact with the world around them. There is some questionable decisions and writing choices that make the story sub-par for me and I think they could have done better. After watching a lot of story beats on YouTube and live streams I just decided the game (story wise) was not for me and that's OK. I will say though that it is unfortunate that there are certain labels that can be thrown my way just because of the fact that I haven't actually "played" the game. Isn't that what reviews, free videos and opinions are for? To discuss and see what you'd like/not like before making a purchase? I just don't understand how actually playing the game will magically change the story and dialogue based on what I've literally seen/heard in videos from the game itself. The game certainly looks beautiful, but I just don't like the story (which seems to be one of the core aspects of the game), so it's a pass for me. You can put all the garnish you want on the dish, but if the main meat just ain't right, I won't bite. Anyways, I'm glad a lot of people did like it and I think that's pretty cool. Hopefully we can continue to see a lot of awesome games that appeal to all different types of people in the upcoming generation. I think there's room in gaming for all types of people, this game just wasn't one of those games for me. You're welcome to have an opinion, but can you understand why it doesn't matter in this discussion? Let me give you an example. I watched "The Hunger Games". I liked the concept but thought the movie was awful. Not for me at all. Rather than see the sequels I read a summary of the books and thought it went in a pretty crap direction. By your logic I should be able to go on some Hunger Games forums discussing awards for the books/movie, and say definitively that the story is terrible. Even though I only have an overview based on someone else's experience. In this example my opinion is neither accurate or helpful and it would be better if I just moved on without trying to ruin it for fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AJ_Radio Posted January 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) This is why I can't take the gaming industry seriously anymore. It's just another case of reviewers rewarding a game based on presentation and not substance. Yes, The Last of Us Part II looks great, yes, it has a decent story going for it, yes, the characters are believable that you can grow to, but over half of these awards that were handed out for this game were completely and utterly useless. This just sounds like participation trophies. If a game looks halfway decent to where it doesn't look like a colossal pile of dogshit then it will win an award by some obscure company out there that nobody gives two dicks about. 15 hours ago, Ptirle said: People really think this awards mean something and are important? Tlou 2 better then Witcher 3 and Zelda BOTW? In what universe do you all live lol? I think anyone still following these awards needs to get a reality check. The system is completely rigged. There are many games out there worth playing that get little more than a mere mention, yet a game that had Neil Druckmann backed into a fucking corner on Twitter when the leak was revealed last April wins a world record for most awards given to a video game. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt and Zelda deserved far more credit if that's the system we're adapting to now. Both Witcher and Zelda were hyped to fucking oblivion. Best Score, Best Direction, only awards that really matter at this point. The system is stupid. 7 hours ago, KingGuy420 said: I’ve never understood this whole thing anyways. When I think “GOTY” I tend to think of games that do new things in creative ways or push the envelope of what a video game can be. And yet year after year these linear story driven games that we’ve seen a million times win it all. This is something that has boggled my mind for the better part of a decade now. Guess I’ll just never understand it at this point. That's my issue as well. Ever since the original The Last of Us these people who give out the awards have mostly been giving them out because of the presentation in the games, not for their actual content and substance. When I look back I think games like Dead Space 2 deserved more credit. It was story driven and linear, offered a good challenge and had a little character development. The original Dead Space was really good I felt, but I guess a lot of people moved on to other franchises and games by the time Dead Space 2 came out it so it was overlooked quite a bit. The Last of Us Part II in contrast just looks like the same ordeal that games before it already covered. But somehow it wins so many more awards than Ghost of Tsushima, a game that I feel has far more originality and a better theme. Ghost of Tsushima didn't have any controversy surrounding it and the game taking place in Feudal Japan is a nice change of pace from the more formulaic settings in games like Days Gone. It makes absolutely no fucking sense. Many of these AAA games have the same themes over and over, with the same style of story telling and same formulaic gameplay. I can give Ghost of Tsushima credit because at least it's trying something a little different if we're going by it's themes and settings. But The Last of Us Part II wins the GOTY, and suddenly everybody forgets the horror Neil Druckmann had to go through when he was being constantly backed into a corner on Twitter. YouTube videos of people complaining about The Last of Us Part II were taken down in an attempt to silence them, a good indication of the times we live in. The awards are a joke now. These asshats only care for the numbers. Games that are somewhat niche that have a lot of original ideas are automatically tossed on the backburner. It makes me sick. Edited January 27, 2021 by Spaz 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheDragonfly44 Posted January 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 I quite liked the game but i don't know if it deserves that many awards. Honestly at this point the people praising it so much are just as annoying as the ones hating on it 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandedBerserk Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, Spaz said: This is why I can't take the gaming industry seriously anymore. It's just another case of reviewers rewarding a game based on presentation and not substance. Yes, The Last of Us Part II looks great, yes, it has a decent story going for it, yes, the character are believable that you can grow to, but over half of these awards that were handed out for this game were completely and utterly useless. This just sounds like participation trophies. If a game looks halfway decent to where it doesn't look like a colossal pile of dogshit then it will win an award by some obscure company out there that nobody gives two dicks about. I think anyone still following these awards need to get a reality check. You can't take the gaming industry seriously anymore because good games are getting awards for being...good? There's more to these games than just graphics, you just try to discredit them at every turn it seems. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AJ_Radio Posted January 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, BrandedBerserk said: You can't take the gaming industry seriously anymore because good games are getting awards for being...good? There's more to these games than just graphics, you just try to discredit them at every turn it seems. Oh please. If more people opened their eyes there are many games out there worthwhile and worth the money. The Last of Us Part II doesn't deserve that many awards. Most of those awards were just handed out for the hell of it. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abby_TheLastofUs Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Spaz said: Oh please. If more people opened their eyes there are many games out there worthwhile and worth the money. The Last of Us Part II doesn't deserve that many awards. Most of those awards were just handed out for the hell of it. It's a shame that AAA games dominate these awards, but most of the blame for that lies with gamers. When a reviewer gives a highly anticipated game a mixed/negative review, or goes against the consensus. It isn't other reviewers that lash out, but gamers. When the Washington Post gave Uncharted 4 a low score or when Gamespot gave GTA V a 9 (too low apparently), gamers were the ones that started petitions and harassed the reviewers. I actually don't think I've ever seen an instance of a professional reviewer criticize another professional reviewer for giving a game a "wrong" score. If it has happened, it's way less common than with gamers. And when it comes to GOTY awards, gamers have much narrower tastes than professional reviewers, almost always voting for AAA games. 2020's second most awarded game was Hades, but it won just three readers' choice awards, placing it behind Ghosts of Tsushima, Cyberpunk 2077, and totally eclipsed by The Last of Us Part II. Really, if The Last of Us Part II hadn't become such a culture war issue and hadn't been released this year, Gamers™ would have gone ballistic over Hades winning as many awards as it did over a something like GOT. This is the case every year. The breakdown of votes show that tastes of industry professionals while still limited, are way more diverse than the most vocal parts of the online gaming community. 2012 in particular is a great example. The most awarded games that year The Walking Dead, and Journey. Neither were AAA, but still popular with mainstream audiences. Still, when it came to readers' choice, both games won less awards than Mass Effect 3, Far Cry 3, Assassin's Creed 3, and Borderlands 2. If gamers had more diverse taste, publications would respond in kind. Either by reviewers feeling less pressure to conform, or with the industry hiring more people whose tastes didn't align with the consensus. Edited January 27, 2021 by Abby_TheLastofUs 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AJ_Radio Posted January 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Abby_TheLastofUs said: It's a shame that AAA games dominate these awards, but most of the blame for that lies with gamers. When a reviewer gives a highly anticipated game a mixed/negative review, or goes against the consensus. It isn't other reviewers that lash out, but gamers. When the Washington Post gave Uncharted 4 a low score or when Gamespot gave GTA V a 9 (too low apparently), gamers were the ones that started petitions and harassed the reviewers. I actually don't think I've ever seen an instance of a professional reviewer criticize another professional reviewer for giving a game a "wrong" score. If it has happened, it's way less common than with gamers. And when it comes to GOTY awards, gamers have much narrower tastes than professional reviewers, almost always voting for AAA games. 2020's second most awarded game was Hades, but it won just three readers' choice awards, placing it behind Ghosts of Tsushima, Cyberpunk 2077, and totally eclipsed by The Last of Us Part II. Really, if The Last of Us Part II hadn't become such a culture war issue and hadn't been released this year, Gamers would have gone ballistic over Hades winning as many awards as it did over a something like GOT. This is the case almost every year. The breakdown of votes show that tastes of industry professionals while still limited, are way more diverse than the most vocal parts of the online gaming community. The real issue I think is people can't just look at a game that's good, slightly good, slightly bad, mediocre or okayish. It's either excellent, or horrible. It can't be just good or bad anymore. I'm a bit biased as I've had decades of gaming experience up to this point. But the amount of backlash that gamers go to where they have to jump on Twitter and attack a gaming developer because they did something they didn't like is completely stupid. I also think generally, the people who keep doing this are kids themselves who never truly grew up. I'm all for people voicing an opinion, but gaming companies are now afraid to say a whole lot in fear of offending somebody out there. My generation of late 20, 30 something year olds are the ones going on Twitter attacking anything that doesn't agree with them. The Last of Us Part II unfortunately was and still is a culture war issue. Many people got mad for all the awards the game received, but I can't support either side. On the flip side, I think the amount of awards given to games these days, especially multi-million dollar projects that were greatly hyped and talked about in the press, has gotten beyond stupid. Had The Last of Us Part II been given only a few notable awards; Best Art Direction, Best Score, I would of been completely fine. A few minor awards would be good too. But instead these games have to win dozens and hundreds of awards if those mean anything to me because I don't care to be frank. I can imagine working at Naughty Dog nowadays to be a bit of a pressure cooker, especially if you are someone in a seat of power. The fault is on both sides for me. The culture wars are really getting old and tiring at this point. I just want to play a game I want to play without there being a big stink about it. Edited January 27, 2021 by Spaz 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SuperSaiyan3985 Posted January 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 An utter fucking joke, as if we needed any more proof that games journalists are out of touch with reality. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Abby_TheLastofUs Posted January 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, SuperSaiyan3985 said: An utter fucking joke, as if we needed any more proof that games journalists are out of touch with reality. It actually hasn't set the record for most awards from journalists. That record still belongs to the original Last of Us. The readers' choice awards are what put it over the top. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sword Posted January 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, guy_flies said: You're welcome to have an opinion, but can you understand why it doesn't matter in this discussion? Let me give you an example. I watched "The Hunger Games". I liked the concept but thought the movie was awful. Not for me at all. Rather than see the sequels I read a summary of the books and thought it went in a pretty crap direction. By your logic I should be able to go on some Hunger Games forums discussing awards for the books/movie, and say definitively that the story is terrible. Even though I only have an overview based on someone else's experience. In this example my opinion is neither accurate or helpful and it would be better if I just moved on without trying to ruin it for fans. I personally didn't like the story, but that doesn't make it "definitively" bad for all people. If it was actually definitively bad, it wouldn't have won so many awards and be loved by a lot of fans. All I was saying was that I think it's cool it's won a lot of awards, just that it wasn't personally for me. I'm sure it has plenty of fans and I'm not trying to ruin it for other people. Like I said in my post, I think it's great that they loved the game and I'm sure they are stoked it's won a ton of stuff. If there's this implication though that no one can disagree with the rewards and we all must praise TLOU2 as some god-tier game that cannot have a single questionable thing said about it or else you're some bigot, racist, homophobe, hater, etc etc.... well, sucks I guess that people can't take opinions anymore. Obviously I stretched that a little, but some people really are like that where they attack someone for saying literally saying an opinion. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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