Are you happy for PS+ Games to be referred to as 'free'?

[DrBloodmoney]

Let's just have a vote, and then stop derailing every single PS+ game discussion with this tired, predictable argument.

Edited February 24, 2021 by DrBloodmoney

[thefourfoldroot]

For people who get plus just for the games, the games are not free.
 

For those who factor in the games to their decision, they are not free.

 

For those who would buy Plus even with no games, they are indeed an addition at no extra cost (meaning free). Ok, you could argue the price would drop without the games, but that’s an assumption.

 

Myself, I get Plus only for the games, but am fine with others calling them free as I know many get it just for online, plus, given the price per game, the cost is so low as to be unimportant to me.

Edited February 4, 2021 by thefourfoldroot

[leandrorhcp]

I do not consider them free games by any means as they are tied to your suscription. It's a benefit of the Plus service, if anything you're just renting them as long as you keep paying for it.

[BestUsername----]

I don't care if someone refers to the PSPlus games as free, but I don't think people should say that the PSPlus games are free. You can't say that the games you get are a free bonus because they are part of a service that is given out in a routine manner and not given out for special occasions. If it is part of a service that you pay for then it is not free.
 

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by BestUsername----

[PatinumNumemon]

Now I feel like copying and pasting my original post in the other thread ?

[OpenScars]

It's basically renting until our PS+ subscription runs out.

[Rias Gremory]

The only problem that didn't received a free upgrade was Judgment PS5.

[HuntingFever]

I voted yes but ultimately I don't really care either way.

[Carol]

When people refer to the PS Plus games as free, they’re just saying that once you pay for your subscription, the games are free. They also show up as free on the PS Store, don’t they? Saying “free games” is just a way to simplify language.

 The argument “oh, they’re not free” seems to be used either because people are dumb or because they don’t have anything else to say and they just want to contradict the other person.

We all know perfectly well that if we stop renewing our PS Plus subscription, we will no longer have access to the IGC titles.

Sometimes, people also seem to forget that the main focus of PS Plus is no longer the free games (like it was during the PS3 generation), but the access to multiplayer. PS Plus is essential for me. If you look at my wrap-up, that I shared in the corresponding thread, you can see how much time I spend playing online. The games are just a bonus, so I am always thankful for them. When we have a fantastic month, in terms of games offered, like the current month, I think we should really appreciate Sony for trying to balance things out, because honestly, if you’re looking for a great “free games service”, you should go to PS Now. PS Plus is about the multiplayer, not about the games. People that complain about PS Plus seem to be living in the past.

[AK-1138]

Yes, I'm sure an easily overlooked poll thread like this will surely prevent that kind of thing from ever happening again through perpetuity! ?

 

For my own part, I justify the games as being--as Al Swedgin would say--free fucking gratis (though nothing that tethers you to terms and conditions can ever truly be defined as "free") as what I'm really paying for is online and cloud storage... which is partly true; I wouldn't have a prayer at getting certain platinums without the latter (looking at you, MKX online win streak trophy...) without the function, and external storage seems to make it impossible to use a thumbdrive for save copying anyways.

 

And let's not forget the objectively most important part: you get a cool golden plus sign next to your name. That makes you cooler than everyone who doesn't... and considering how many people in this world don't have PS+, that is one hell of a return on investment. It's science, brah!

 

In conclusion... freedom is just another word for something something something.

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by AK-1138

[Cobbsquatch]

Is there an option for don't care? I get to play some bonus games that I don't gotta pay full price for.. Or what Sony claims is a sale price.

[HusKy]

3 minutes ago, Carol said:

once you pay for your subscription, the games are free

 

derp?

[anilcanballi]

They are "free" because we mostly have them already as a Ps Now member.

[MickeyMixLipa]

PS Plus games are not free. It's a subscription to access them and once you lose that subscription the access to the games end. If we kept the games then my opinion would be different. 

 

We don't call films on Netflix/Hulu/Disney+ free do we? 

[DrBloodmoney]

11 minutes ago, HuntingFever said:

I voted yes but ultimately I don't really care either way.

 

6 minutes ago, Cobbsquatch said:

Is there an option for don't care? I get to play some bonus games that I don't gotta pay full price for.. Or what Sony claims is a sale price.

 

Oh, don't get me wrong - I literally couldn't care less either.

 

I didn't start this Poll because I give a crap about the answers.

 

It's the diabetic you invite to the picnic because his high-sucrose sweat will draw the wasps away from everyone else.

 

Hopefully, in the future, when the next PS+ game begins to get derailed into this same old argument by all the same people, they can just be politely redirected to this dumpster-fire of a topic, to have it out here instead.

[A_93juantheone]

It's all based on perception, but in a world that requires consoles to pay for online access to multiplayer and the insane deals you can get to add on top of your current subscription and with inflation taken into account and the scarcity of some games, especially if they are delisted, then the value goes up considerably as well if you've been subscribed for a while. Overall, the amount of stuff you get simply outweighs what you paid for. It's about as free as free can get and anyone arguing otherwise is just being a useless contrarian. This argument does nothing for the discussion of games as a whole. It's just pointless bickering amongst those who want to be "right" about a service for some asinine reason. 

[Abby_TheLastofUs]

Saying the PS Plus games are free because you're only paying for multiplayer is like saying The Dragon Prince is free on Netflix, because you're only paying for Stranger Things. 

 

You're still paying for both. Your intention and reasons don't matter.

Edited February 4, 2021 by Abby_TheLastofUs

[Carol]

15 minutes ago, HusKy said:

 

derp?

Like I said and I thought I was clear, people use “free” as a language simplifier. It’s a shame that people are so toxic, that they make a special effort to be deliberately obtuse, when it comes to understanding what the other person is saying.

[Neef-GT5]

Why make things complicated when they could be so simple?

 

I’ll keep calling these games free even though it’s not technically right, because it’s a simple way to do so and because everyone here understands what it refers to...

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by Neef-GT5

[LoveInHell]

1 hour ago, leandrorhcp said:

I do not consider them free games by any means as they are tied to your suscription. It's a benefit of the Plus service, if anything you're just renting them as long as you keep paying for it.

This

 

1 hour ago, BestUsername---- said:

I don't care if someone refers to the PSPlus games as free, but I don't think people should say that the PSPlus games are free. You can't say that the games you get are a free bonus because they are part of a service that is given out in a routine manner and not given out for special occasions. If it is part of a service that you pay for then it is not free.
 

 

And this.

 

1 hour ago, OpenScars said:

It's basically renting until our PS+ subscription runs out.

And thiss.

 

27 minutes ago, MickeyMixLipa said:

PS Plus games are not free. It's a subscription to access them and once you lose that subscription the access to the games end. If we kept the games then my opinion would be different. 

 

We don't call films on Netflix/Hulu/Disney+ free do we? 

And thisss.

[HusKy]

14 minutes ago, Carol said:

Like I said and I thought I was clear, people use “free” as a language simplifier. It’s a shame that people are so toxic, that they make a special effort to be deliberately obtuse, when it comes to understanding what the other person is saying.

 

Yes, personally, I really don't care about the "free" label even though it is technically incorrect. I thought the discussion was about whether the games are actually given to you free of charge, which they are not. They are just really, really cheap.

 

The only digital games I would consider free were the ones given by WB - Lego Ninjago or Injustice 2.

Edited February 4, 2021 by HusKy

[Asimb0mb]

I started paying for PS+ during the PS3 days because of the games. I'm still paying for PS+ mostly for the games now, so they're definitely not free games.

 

Even to those who pay for PS+ to play online, part of the deal is that you pay for those games, so they're not free. If you aren't subscribed to PS+, you don't have access to your "free" games.

[Juzota]

As long as I pay real money for PS+ I can't see how the games it provides are free.

[JediKnight_327]

Its a premium paid for service. You pay for a subscription and in return you get a number of services including 2 games per month. Its completeley irrelevant whether you use or intended to use it. It does not change the fact that you would not have access to it if you didnt continue paying a price, and if you cant access it without paying it contradicts the dictionary definition of free.

 

If you bought PS Now to play 5 games, that doesnt make the hundreds of other games free.

If you buy a sim card with unlimited data and minutes, but you only use the data, that doesnt mean the minutes are free.

If you buy a house with 2 bathrooms but only use one, that doesnt mean the second bathroom was free.

If you buy Microsoft Office but only use Microsoft Word, that doesnt mean all of the other software is free.

 

If it were an acceptable statement to make, Sony would be the first in line to boast about it and they would put it in all of their advertising. For obvious (or what I thought was obvious) reasons, they cannot because its 100% a lie.

 

Cambridge Dictionary definition of 'Free':

"Costing nothing, or not needing to be paid for"

 

My friend wants the PS+ games for free. If you can tell me how he can download them by "Costing nothing, or not needing to be paid for", I will accept that they are free games.

[Dreakon13]

The only correct response is totally and utterly indifferent.  I see someone say it, I think about it only long enough to get whatever modicum of context is needed for the rest of the post, and I move on.  The whole process takes less then half a second from reading it.

 

The people saying it... are aware they are paying money for something, regardless of their phrasing.  They are, by textbook definition, wrong.  But the word "free" gets used a lot of ways these days, and it's not a crime for people to see it their own way.

 

The people contesting it... are just trying to pick a fight, probably have an axe to grind with PS+ costing money in general, and see pointing it out without any real provocation as some form of fighting "the man" by working against what they perceive as their misleading advertising at work.  It's petty to derail a conversation because what they believe to be the "wrong word" was used in an irrelevant part of it.

Edited February 4, 2021 by Dreakon13