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Ratalaika makes the jump to PS5

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4 minutes ago, Mori said:

 

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Yeah, looks like the next Masterpiece everyone cannot wait to play.

 

 

 


😂

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13 minutes ago, DaivRules said:


You’ll have to define point inflation in the way you are referring it.
 

A trophy awards points based on the type of trophy assigned to an action chosen by the developer. That hasn’t changed since trophies were introduced, aside from the point values of platinums increasing, but that was retroactive. 
 

I don’t think that what I assume you’re talking about when you refer to point inflation is a problem to be fixed. I think wanting to create a tailored leaderboard to only compare yourself to profiles in the way you choose is fine. And I think those leaderboards can live along side a cumulative points leaderboard. I also don’t think (even though there are absurd numbers of regional releases) that these games are as big a problem as people are making them out to be considering the sheer number of alternatives to these releases and the fact that many of these need to be purchased multiple times and played through again to earn their points. They don’t just autopop. Then it becomes what the leaderboard has always been. Whoever has the most money and time stays at the top.

 

 

First off, props for a well written reply.

Secondly, about the inflation i am talking about.
When trophies were introduced in 2008, Sony was somehow strict on the platinum requirements.
The bigger the game, the more likely it was allowed a platinum trophy. Smaller games, and some medium sized games were not allowed platinums, and only had a 100% completion.
Points from this specific system has accumulated in the leaderboards for over a decade, with certain amount of time put into earning all these trophies.

Fast forward to the releases and flooding of 10-120 minute platinums, which are thinning out the overall value of points that have accumulated over the last decade.
There is no need any more to put an effort, if you want to rise on the leaderboards. Just buy 50 Ratalaika and POWGI games on discount, and you'll have 100-200 easy platinums and almost a top 10.000 placement.

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57 minutes ago, LoveInHell said:

Having Ratalaika auto-popping trophies is going to be quite the internet war amongst trophy hunters.

Dude that shits hilarious!

is that going to be the “wave” this generation

auto popping shovelware plats

the leaderboards are beyond fucked

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15 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:


 

If some people decide to don a series of fake moustaches and hats to get served 8 times at a barbecue, neither the cook nor the propane is to blame for the pool of vomit left on the grass.


 

Sony already do something - accounts are locked to a single region. These ‘stacks’ are not sold as a ‘job lot’ of trophies. The intention was never for anyone to play the same game 8 times.

 

Technically, if you have accounts with fake addresses in foreign countries in order to abuse the trophy system by stacking 8 copies of the same game, you are already in violation of the terms of service anyway, so what more should they do?

 

Make it no longer possible to play games bought on one account on another? That sounds like a massive step backwards, and would have a bunch of unintended negative consequences.

 

It’s not really up to Sony to sort this out. They could police that more I suppose, but in the end, why would they? Any more locking down on the account side will just be met with indignation and backlash, and if they (and the publisher) can make money from people willing to abuse it, then I’d imagine their attitude is 🤷‍♂️

 

 

At what point does personal responsibility take over? this isn’t a situation where regulation is really the answer - it’s not like a casino, where the company is deliberately preying on people’s weaknesses and trying to lure them into doing this. You already have to jump through hoops to play that many stacks of these games.

 

 

If players are intent on having 8 different foreign accounts to play 8 stacks of the same game, (and I agree that the leaderboards suffer for that) that is not the fault of Sony or the Publisher, any more than a robbery is the fault of the bank.

 

The place to direct any anger you feel about it is not at Sony, or Ratalaika, or PSNP, or Sly.

It’s at the people who do it.

 

They are the ones destroying the competitive aspects of the leaderboards (and pissing away any credibility their own profiles ever had) by overindulging in these games, not the publisher or the platform.

 

Some Ratalaika games are actually pretty good indies.
The games aren’t the issue.

Gluttonous, indiscriminate trophy stacking is.

 

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying here but seems to bring us back to the inevitable point that the only reason they do it is because the leaderboard rewards them for it.

 

Noone is going to buy 8 stacks of a game across multiple regions that theyre not rewarded for. They're just milking an opportunity that's presented to them to advance up the current leaderboard structure.

 

Personally i think Husky's idea above makes the most sense. one list per game across multiple regions.

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Looks like cross-buy is hopefully back for Rat games with the PS5 now. Since the vita cross-buys has been diminishing the last past year. I still try to find Rat games that are fun and have some sort of challenge though. People need to not be so harsh on some of these games because I've played a few that I still enjoyed even after achieving the platinum. 

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I think the main question we all want to know is, which trophy list do we need to put the  "Trophy thoughts?" topic in! ;)

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9 minutes ago, kraven_15 said:

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying here but seems to bring us back to the inevitable point that the only reason they do it is because the leaderboard rewards them for it.

 

Noone is going to buy 8 stacks of a game across multiple regions that theyre not rewarded for. They're just milking an opportunity that's presented to them to advance up the current leaderboard structure.

 

Personally i think Husky's idea above makes the most sense. one list per game across multiple regions.

 

16 minutes ago, HusKy said:

 

Why not just disallow multiple lists for the same game? XBOX has a single list, PlayStation has 8.


 

I mean, sure, I guess...

 

but I guess what I’d say is....

 

Why even bother?

 

You aren’t being ‘overtaken’ by people who have stack in the hundreds, and only play 30minute platinum games over and over.

You really aren’t.
 

Why not just feel a mild sense of superiority and a deep, sickening sense of pity when you see a profile made up of these stacks, and just move on, safe in the knowledge  that the person whose profile it is is not actually ahead of (or behind) you in the race?

 

You’re running in it, they just paid for a seat at the finish line.

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Is this game even that easy? I haven't seen any guides yet

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49 minutes ago, Lordidude said:

Everybody 'has' the same amount of time. 24h a day. 


I really needed to point out when I was referring to money and time, it was money used for buying games and time used playing games?

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2 hours ago, janzor88 said:

The competitive part of trophy hunting is dead right now, as Sly hasn't done anything to address the insane inflation of platinum shovelware in the last many years.

 

Every time somebody comes up with suggestions on how to correct the inflation, the same group of crybabies start flooding the threads with excuses on why not to address the problems. No real alternative solutions from them, rather than to "leave and find some group with same trophy hunting preferences".

 

Funnily enough those same persons are the ones keeping this shitty shovelware industry alive, and would lose most their points if changes were made.

The competitive part of trophy hunting hunting has always been what it still is today. The one with the most money and free time wins and lets you stay at the top of the leaderboards. The only difference is that all the shovelware have made their lives easier now.

 

I personally dont care how the leaderboards are handled anymore as the whole system is broken anyway. And as for trophies? Well, its a choice. Stay at the top at the cost of missing out on many great games and possibly time with your friends and loved ones (unless youre team sharing then whats the point anyway?) or play the games you actually want to play, challenge yourself at a really tough game, enjoy a 100+ hour journey through an rpg and enjoy life.

 

You dont get anything for being number 1. Doubt anyone cares. Maybe a few people will pat you on the back for letting you know how awesome you are for stacking the same game 30 times. But are you truly happy? Possibly. Ask the guys at the top. Let them share their lifes journey with you and then decide for yourself if you then still care about leaderboards.

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2 hours ago, janzor88 said:

 

Are you telling me that not all people agree on everything?

I am truly shocked.

 

No matter how many times you try to derail these threads and posts by your irrelevant nonsensical talk, the point inflation is a fact - and is continuously getting worse.

 

The leaderboard is not some natural law and static as you constantly make it sound like.

It works the way it's designed. It can be improved, which is what people are trying to do.

totally agree. you tell that asshole

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11 minutes ago, UlvenFenrir said:

The competitive part of trophy hunting hunting has always been what it still is today. The one with the most money and free time wins and lets you stay at the top of the leaderboards. The only difference is that all the shovelware have made their lives easier now.

 

I personally dont care how the leaderboards are handled anymore as the whole system is broken anyway. And as for trophies? Well, its a choice. Stay at the top at the cost of missing out on many great games and possibly time with your friends and loved ones (unless youre team sharing then whats the point anyway?) or play the games you actually want to play, challenge yourself at a really tough game, enjoy a 100+ hour journey through an rpg and enjoy life.

 

You dont get anything for being number 1. Doubt anyone cares. Maybe a few people will pat you on the back for letting you know how awesome you are for stacking the same game 30 times. But are you truly happy? Possibly. Ask the guys at the top. Let them share their lifes journey with you and then decide for yourself if you then still care about leaderboards.

Its like that for all competition in everything in life...money, time and skill will always be factors

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Imagine calling a game shovelware because its trophies don't enlarge your E-peen.

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4 minutes ago, DaivRules said:


I really needed to point out when I was referring to money and time, it was money used for buying games and time used playing games?

No you don't need to point that out.

I was hyperbolic to make a point that you unintentionally proved by being a smart ass and not actually reading more than the sum of the words. 

 

You proved my point that the leaderboards lack any deeper value apart from surface level observations.

Investing time + money is part of any hobby or interest that does no use skill to distinguish levels of 'achievement'. 

 

There is nothing wrong with having trophy leaderboards that essentially equal leaderboards for the largest game collections. 

But then at least be honest about what it is and don't act as if the different coat of paint raises the value of those leaderboards. 

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Ratalaika Games is auto-popping trophies faster then my internet connection.

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16 minutes ago, DaivRules said:


I really needed to point out when I was referring to money and time, it was money used for buying games and time used playing games?

its like that with everything in life...you get whatever effort you give into it

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