The Truth about 'All talked out'

[Optinooby]

Just thought I would share this guys, as what you read on this game about the trophies makes it sound like a complete mess trophy wise.....

 

However, after buying the Official book in preparation for a Platinum walkthrough later in the year, it seems the trophy mess, is not due to the game itself, but more to online misinformation perhaps....... assuming almost everything in the Official Book is correct, which released 6 months or so I think it was after the game

 

There are tips/info on every trophy in it, but I will use the 'All Talked out' trophy as an example. 

 

Now generally, its believed there are 95 hints or so, but according to the Official Book though, there actually over 100, though it doesnt give a exact number other than that. 

 

But perhaps what is more important is that the Official Book states that "Not every subtitle counts, there are ONLY actually 62 that are required"!! 

 

Also, to trigger each hint, they have VERY specific requirements, let me list the first 2 'required' hints and show there triggers so you can see exactly how (from Official Book btw in the order they appear) 

 

HINT 1

'In its pain, the poor beast was wary. I felt that my best option would be to withdraw and reconsider'. 

TRIGGER

Leave the spear in Trico's shoulder for 30 seconds. Get near Trico, so that it starts to intimidate the boy and barks or tries to attack. 

 

HINT 2

'The beast was far from happy. It seemed greatly pained by the spears that pierced its flesh'. 

TRIGGER

Don't remove the spears from Trico's shoulder and leg and wait for 60 seconds. The camera must be directed at Trico's head while it is bothered by the spears. 

 

These are just 2 examples, but im sure you can imagine how requirements for each of the other 60 hints can differ. 

 

Figured some players may find this interesting. When I get to the game and after testing what the Official Book states, if it all seems pretty spot on, i'll try and make a Text Walkthrough on it all here. 

 

What do you think of this guys, did this trophy really annoy you, would it have been much better if you knew exact triggers and that only 62 are needed?? 

Edited March 15, 2021 by Optinooby

[BlitzkriegHottie]

Well, I assume those "required 62" are the ones you must get on your own and the remaining 33 are the story related ones, so in the end you still need to get all 95.

I got the trophy after getting exactly 95 unique hints. 

 

 

As for your question, this was the worst part of the platinum for me. Most useless hints ever and you're supposed to get them all, and adding insult to injury, many have ridiculous triggers and even then, they might not even trigger at all even after waiting like an idiot for several minutes. Also, no way to keep track, lol. Absolute collectible hell. 

 

It's as if you're dying of thirst and there's a glass of water right in front of you, but you have to wait 5 minutes until you hear a voice telling you that said water might quench your thirst. That's how useful they are, lol. 

[Optinooby]

1 hour ago, BlitzkriegHottie said:

Well, I assume those "required 62" are the ones you must get on your own and the remaining 33 are the story related ones, so in the end you still need to get all 95.

I got the trophy after getting exactly 95 unique hints. 

 

 

As for your question, this was the worst part of the platinum for me. Most useless hints ever and you're supposed to get them all, and adding insult to injury, many have ridiculous triggers and even then, they might not even trigger at all even after waiting like an idiot for several minutes. Also, no way to keep track, lol. Absolute collectible hell. 

 

It's as if you're dying of thirst and there's a glass of water right in front of you, but you have to wait 5 minutes until you hear a voice telling you that said water might quench your thirst. That's how useful they are, lol. 

 

That's the misinformation, that there is 95, and so that 33 remaining you mention is incorrect, There are NOT 95, there are ACTUALLY OVER 100, I can't speak of the conditions about what is needed, but apparently from the Devs, 62 certain hints are needed, but there are over 100. 

 

So your trophy popped on the 95th hint???? Could this actually have just been the last remaining of the required 62 hints.......is that a possibility??? Or are you 100% certain EVERY SINGLE hint was required??

 

The problem is, nobody know the exact triggers, it has all been guess work I think, I'm sure if you mentioned any to me along with there apparent triggers, that the trigger listed in the official guide is different!

 

I've yet to play the game, but when I do, sounds like I'm going to have fun XD. The story is great I heard, just controls are useless.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Optinooby

[BlitzkriegHottie]

No, no, I'm not saying there are 95 total, I'm saying that I needed all 95 that were in the guide I used. From the 95 a good chunk (don't remember how many) are story related, that's why I assume the 62 the guide you're using mentions are the non story related ones and the other 33 are story related. 

 

I do remember getting at least a couple hints that weren't in the 95 list, there are definitely more than 95, but as far as I know every single one of those 95 are required. Now, that doesn't mean the guide you're using is wrong, it might mean that it's not taking the story related ones into consideration, thus only highlighting the 62 you must get on your own. 

 

As for the triggers, in the guide I used they were all accurate, however the game is very temperamental and it will some times flat out decide not to trigger a hint after meeting the requirements. There were probably a handful times in which I had to keep reloading until the hint finally popped, and the worst thing is in all the retries my methods were identical, I just kept trying until the game decided to have the hint pop up. 

 

Over pstrophies this is considered a glitched trophy, with several players claiming they never got to have a certain hint pop and that sometimes it would just skip some hints and trigger the next one instead.

 

In your guide I recommend emphasizing which are story related and which aren't, that's something all of the hint guides I've read today seem to take for granted, even if it's something as obvious as picking up the mirror (key item, story related) it'll save some confusion. 

 

I also recommend putting a lot of warnings about it like:

 

-Keep trying until it pops

-No way to keep track, write them down

-If a hint skips to the next one, reload a save or make a note and save it for the next playthrough. 

-If you die, you need to get all the hints since the last checkpoint again. 

 

And yeah, as for the game itself, having Shadow of the Colossus (2006) as my favorite game ever, this is definitely a step back. The speedrun trophy will have you cursing non stop at the beast's poor AI. Still, a good game with wonky mechanics and controls. 

Edited March 16, 2021 by BlitzkriegHottie
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[Titanomachy_75]

I bought the special Ed for this game back when ... but never played it yet. Would be nice to see a well made roadmap on YouTube where all triggers work the right way! I would hate to wait for 10 mins and nothing... yes! Helll!

Edited March 16, 2021 by Titanomachy_75

[ddrakner]

I hope you are right about the guide book being more accurate than trophy guides, because I had to spend like 30  mins for some random hints to be told. I personally put this game aside because I didn't like the story, the commands for the beast were very inaccurate and the trophies are a pain and also highly missable. 

 

Still, if you liked ico and shadow of the colossus, you need to try this plat out. Good luck

[communistwookiee]

This is not the first time I've heard about this. I've seen comments on guides about this. I intend to go back to this game at some point using the list from the book. I'm inclined to believe that because it's an official Sony guide that it speaks the truth.

[Jason-d-b]

The trophy list for the game is a mess and not remotely fun. I'm leaving a link of the guide I followed and he goes into what triggers some of the hints so it could help you find some of the triggers. Great guide to follow if going for the platinum because I'm not sure if you can make it more optimized than him. This is just his first video.

 

 

[Optinooby]

4 hours ago, BlitzkriegHottie said:

No, no, I'm not saying there are 95 total, I'm saying that I needed all 95 that were in the guide I used. From the 95 a good chunk (don't remember how many) are story related, that's why I assume the 62 the guide you're using mentions are the non story related ones and the other 33 are story related. 

 

I do remember getting at least a couple hints that weren't in the 95 list, there are definitely more than 95, but as far as I know every single one of those 95 are required. Now, that doesn't mean the guide you're using is wrong, it might mean that it's not taking the story related ones into consideration, thus only highlighting the 62 you must get on your own. 

 

As for the triggers, in the guide I used they were all accurate, however the game is very temperamental and it will some times flat out decide not to trigger a hint after meeting the requirements. There were probably a handful times in which I had to keep reloading until the hint finally popped, and the worst thing is in all the retries my methods were identical, I just kept trying until the game decided to have the hint pop up. 

 

Over pstrophies this is considered a glitched trophy, with several players claiming they never got to have a certain hint pop and that sometimes it would just skip some hints and trigger the next one instead.

 

In your guide I recommend emphasizing which are story related and which aren't, that's something all of the hint guides I've read today seem to take for granted, even if it's something as obvious as picking up the mirror (key item, story related) it'll save some confusion. 

 

I also recommend putting a lot of warnings about it like:

 

-Keep trying until it pops

-No way to keep track, write them down

-If a hint skips to the next one, reload a save or make a note and save it for the next playthrough. 

-If you die, you need to get all the hints since the last checkpoint again. 

 

And yeah, as for the game itself, having Shadow of the Colossus (2006) as my favorite game ever, this is definitely a step back. The speedrun trophy will have you cursing non stop at the beast's poor AI. Still, a good game with wonky mechanics and controls. 

 

Ah got ya, i guess without a way to track them though, its hard to be sure what counts. 

 

Ive seen some of the hints in this official list not even in the online lists so i dunno

 

What i will likely do is try to get the trophy 3+ times or so using the official guide and see how well it work, hopefully a lot better than u have experienced

 

Yea, the official book says all that saves after reloading a checkpoint is the farmimg type trophies, not collectibles grabbed after

 

A few other things are that there are only 13 holes needed in official guide, not 15 as unofficial guides say

 

The timer resets when u reload checkpoint apparently officially, but the unofficial guides say it doesnt......... so dunno whats up with that

 

To increase Tricos chances of pooping, u need to look at him occasionally according to book

 

The official book sorta explains how Trico works, guess i will see how useful it us once i jumo in

 

4 hours ago, Titanomachy_75 said:

I bought the special Ed for this game back when ... but never played it yet. Would be nice to see a well made roadmap on YouTube where all triggers work the right way! I would hate to wait for 10 mins and nothing... yes! Helll!

 

Yea, hopefully they all work better, what is listed in the book. Going to be a few months or so till i can play though unfortunately ;(

 

3 hours ago, ddrakner said:

I hope you are right about the guide book being more accurate than trophy guides, because I had to spend like 30  mins for some random hints to be told. I personally put this game aside because I didn't like the story, the commands for the beast were very inaccurate and the trophies are a pain and also highly missable. 

 

Still, if you liked ico and shadow of the colossus, you need to try this plat out. Good luck

 

Me to m8, with the beast cmds btw, the guide sorta explains them, and u need to be very very careful it seems

 

3 hours ago, communistwookiee said:

This is not the first time I've heard about this. I've seen comments on guides about this. I intend to go back to this game at some point using the list from the book. I'm inclined to believe that because it's an official Sony guide that it speaks the truth.

 

All official guides can become a bit false with updates, but unofficial guides can actually be worse for that 

 

Im going to only use this official guide when i begin m8 and try to get platinum a few times to see how consistent it is, providing it is all correct, hope it is! 

 

3 hours ago, Jason-d-b said:

The trophy list for the game is a mess and not remotely fun. I'm leaving a link of the guide I followed and he goes into what triggers some of the hints so it could help you find some of the triggers. Great guide to follow if going for the platinum because I'm not sure if you can make it more optimized than him. This is just his first video.

 

 

 

I was reading some posts on reddit, and someone there who had the book, was saying most the onofficial triggers are wrong if u compare them with the official book

 

Im not saying any noted triggers are wrong, i just need to compare them all, and then try to pop the trophy 3+ times to see if they are consistent

 

I may compare the official/unofficial triggers actually, do u know if there is a good list of the triggers anyway that i can compare the official book with?? 

[Arcesius]

17 hours ago, Optinooby said:

What do you think of this guys, did this trophy really annoy you, would it have been much better if you knew exact triggers and that only 62 are needed?? 

 

To answer that question: This was the biggest piece of shit collectibles trophy I have ever had the pleasure to go for. If there is one thing I really dislike in gaming is being forced to play in a specific way. When that specific way makes the game as boring as possible (which here is the case... being braindead enough to trigger helping hints, come on...), it is even worse. 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Arcesius

[emailking]

This one was bad and very frustrating but at least I was able to get it. I could never get the Call of Nature after 3 playthroughs, so I gave up.

Edited April 25, 2021 by emailking

[langdon]

On 3/15/2021 at 10:07 PM, Jason-d-b said:

The trophy list for the game is a mess and not remotely fun. I'm leaving a link of the guide I followed and he goes into what triggers some of the hints so it could help you find some of the triggers. Great guide to follow if going for the platinum because I'm not sure if you can make it more optimized than him. This is just his first video.

 

Any chance you have these bookmarked or you can find them in your YouTube Watch History (https://www.youtube.com/feed/history)?

 

It looks like Square One Games has made them unlisted and I can't find all of them through twitter/google.  Here's what I could find:

Intro (306 Steps) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZm3tMhccV8
Steps 001-032 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0WVeH8VTUU
Steps 033-066 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE9A2EIeW2I
Steps 067-098 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuoomSsw0oQ
? 099-126
Steps 127-162 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JK_c1IddOQ
? 163-199
Steps 198-230 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeJd8ngg0E
Steps 231-253 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl2OAhl8990
Steps 254-304 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y0g8FzxlmY

? 305-306 (assuming the intro was accurate)

[Jason-d-b]

Not in my search history either. I believe he did a channel transition around that time and maybe just didn’t bring them all over or deleted them from the old one? Could always try messaging him and see if he can’t dig them up for you. Sorry I’m not of more help. 

[Optinooby]

On 09/07/2023 at 6:02 PM, langdon said:

 

 

I'll have a full text guide to go with it once i get to work on the video guide. As in full list of all triggers and everything, though other games are higher up on my priority currently so don't think will be soon, you could wait for that but then depends how eager you are

Edited July 16 by Optinooby

[langdon]

4 hours ago, Jason-d-b said:

Not in my search history either. I believe he did a channel transition around that time and maybe just didn’t bring them all over or deleted them from the old one? Could always try messaging him and see if he can’t dig them up for you. Sorry I’m not of more help. 

Yeah, he said on twitter he unlisted them.  I think you can get them from his Patreon ("SOG Collection"): https://www.patreon.com/SquareOneGames  His guides are extremely high quality.

 

I ended up offsetting the gaps with ScruffyBacon's playthrough: https://www.youtube.com/@ScruffyBaron

 

And I used his 5-hour speedrun and after having to pause the world record run (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyYvrMH82bM) because I couldn't keep up, hehe.

 

4 hours ago, Optinooby said:

 

I'll have a full text guide to go with it once i get to work on the video guide. As in full list of all triggers and everything, though other games are higher up on my priority currently so don't think will be soon, you could wait for that but then depends how eager you are

A text guide would be pretty nice for this game, but I'm so impatient I tore through it already with what I could find.

 

Really amazing game, despite the bad controls, bad camera, and bad trophies. A masterpiece, really.

[Ghost_of_Ziggy]

This trophy is appalling, each play through is just so time consuming and it’s very hard to track what you have or haven’t triggered. Team Ico should hang their heads in shame. I’ve read online somewhere that deleting the update file and playing the physical copy will make it more accurate, has anyone tried it? 

[Eraezr]

Yeah....I think I'm gonna keep my sanity for this one and just play normal.

9 minutes ago, Ghost_of_Ziggy said:

 I’ve read online somewhere that deleting the update file and playing the physical copy will make it more accurate, has anyone tried it? 

 

I was planning on doing this for the 60Hz on PS5.

[Optinooby]

I think I will be doing DMC5, TEW1 and W2 in terms of hard old games first, so if anybody is waiting, apologies but I dont think I will get to a full Detailed Platinum Walkthrough for this until 2024.

 

Unless of course, it drops on Plus Essential one month, then that would all change

Edited August 13 by Optinooby

[sk_lp_him]

2 minutes ago, Optinooby said:

Unless of course, it drops on Plus Essential one month, then that would all change

 

It's on the catalogue, I don't think they'll ever give it on essential ever just like The Order 1886.

[ShadyWARcotix]

6 minutes ago, Optinooby said:

I think I will be doing DMC5, TEW1 and W2 in terms of hard old games first, so if anybody is waiting, apologies but I dont think I will get to a full Detailed Platinum Walkthrough for this until 2024.

 

Unless of course, it drops on Plus Essential one month, then that would all change

 

Nice. Have fun and take your time and fyi: Everything is better than doing the worst trophy list of all time. Awesome game. Garbage trophy list. I've never seen a trophy list which was this bad.

[Optinooby]

1 hour ago, sk_lp_him said:

 

It's on the catalogue, I don't think they'll ever give it on essential ever just like The Order 1886.

 

Its a 1st party game though isn't it, so should drop similarly. Shadow of the Colossus and ICO have been on Plus Essential, think TLG is the only one Sony haven't put on plus essential yet from those devs. Maybe there holding it until they have a quiet month. I dunno, just though because Sony own them, should appear eventually, unless im going my info wrong, its been a while since i looked into those devs.

 

1 hour ago, ShadyWARcotix said:

 

Nice. Have fun and take your time and fyi: Everything is better than doing the worst trophy list of all time. Awesome game. Garbage trophy list. I've never seen a trophy list which was this bad.

 

Thats why I wanna do it, just other games are higher up on the list. The Official Book breaks down all the tricky trophies, so I'm hoping working with that will provide a new and original approach not seen before. I think most guides currently are more or less getting info from one another and not from the Official Book itself as it was released way after the release of the game, think like a year or so later. So most the current info is very similar due to that, but following the Official Information could provide something completely different......My hope anyway rather than just adding nothing new compared to existing guides

Edited August 13 by Optinooby

[ShadyWARcotix]

10 minutes ago, Optinooby said:

 

Its a 1st party game though isn't it, so should drop similarly. Shadow of the Colossus and ICO have been on Plus Essential, think TLG is the only one Sony haven't put on plus essential yet from those devs. Maybe there holding it until they have a quiet month. I dunno, just though because Sony own them, should appear eventually, unless im going my info wrong, its been a while since i looked into those devs.

 

 

Thats why I wanna do it, just other games are higher up on the list. The Official Book breaks down all the tricky trophies, so I'm hoping working with that will provide a new and original approach not seen before. I think most guide currently are more or less getting info from one another and not from the Official Book itself as it was released way after the release of the game, think like a year or so later. My hope anyway rather than just adding nothing new compared to existing guides

 

Sounds interesting. Always interesting of seeing your routes, tricks and tipps. Enjoy it!