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Reversal: PS3, Vita, And PSP Stores To No Longer Close Permanently

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13 minutes ago, pavelbagirov said:

Some Persona games on ps3 is psn only?

 

There's digital versions of the PS1 and PS2 Persona/SMT games, and I don't believe they've been ported to anything else digitally (sans the Golden (Vita) version of Persona 4 on PC, and Nocturne on PS4/Switch/PC). They're still available physically of course on their original platforms, but at least here in the UK nowadays, they tend to be stupid expensive, so the much more affordable option is buying them on PS3 (or PSP/Vita for the remakes of Persona 1 and the first game in the Persona 2 duology, the original PS1 version of which never saw light in the west).

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Terms of Service are not legally binding, that being said there's only so much slack you can get before the actual law gets involved. Because there are consumer rights protections.

 

I really don't think anything is going to happen though and the next article is going to be about the old webstore and then it will end with "they shut down the old web store, who knows what they'll shut down next?! Please continue to read the website for further info".

 

 

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44 minutes ago, pavelbagirov said:

Some Persona games on ps3 is psn only?

No, on PS3 there's only P4A, P4AU and P5, all have retail versions (I think that P4A actually is retail only).

 

The ones that "would" be at risk would be P3DIM and P5DIS on vita (digital only), as well as P3P (retail only for PSP), and P1+P2 (digital only). P4G and P4DAN both have a retail version on vita.

 

The prices of the retail versions are funny for a long while, so, the overpriced prices on PSN actually aren't that bad..

 

On PS3 there's also Nocturne and Digital Devil Sage (Avatar Tuner in the US, I believe), those are PS2 emulated games or whatever they did to sell PS2 games on PS3 back then.

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1 hour ago, pavelbagirov said:

Some Persona games on ps3 is psn only?


I picked up these, they're all ps1/ps2/psp games and are expensive af to buy physically.

PS3:
Persona 3 FES
Shin megami tensei nocturne

PSVita:
Persona 1 PSP
persona 2 innocent sin
persona 3 portable

And i already have a physical of persona 4 golden.
 

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Just a question (don't want to go through all 43 pages), can we still earn trophies on PS3 and Vita?

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7 hours ago, KingSkovald said:

P.S.: Can't even call PS3 games "retro", they are so much better than all the crap that is getting released these days.

B-b-b-b-but they have autochess...

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12 minutes ago, Kurorac said:

Just a question (don't want to go through all 43 pages), can we still earn trophies on PS3 and Vita?


This thread topic never had anything to do with earning trophies. It was a rumor about purchasing PS3 and Vita items from the store in the future.
 

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12 minutes ago, Kurorac said:

Just a question (don't want to go through all 43 pages), can we still earn trophies on PS3 and Vita?

 

AFAIK, the rumor said nothing about trophy sync. The store closing does not automatically mean that trophy syncing will stop being an option.

 

Personally, I could see Sony removing the ability to sync trophies from the PS3/Vita. That would force even more people to stop playing those systems, and spend money on a PS4/PS5/PS Now.

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37 minutes ago, AwkwardFantasy said:


I picked up these, they're all ps1/ps2/psp games and are expensive af to buy physically.

PS3:
Persona 3 FES
Shin megami tensei nocturne

PSVita:
Persona 1 PSP
persona 2 innocent sin
persona 3 portable

And i already have a physical of persona 4 golden.
 

If you missed it, Nocturne will be released in about 2 months on PS4..

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8 hours ago, KingSkovald said:

Their intention is clear to me now, it became obvious after their financial reports where microtransactions have the biggest share that they don't care about legacy at all and where they will be going, they ended partnership with lots of devs whose games where iconic for PS platform, like Heavy Rain, Yakuza series etc, closed Japan studio recently. Besides it's not even their legacy, their Californian management received rulership for free in 2016 when Sony decided to move headquarters from Japan to USA so why would they care?. I'm not even interested in any of their upcoming exclusives except maybe God of War.
Sony will be investing only in heavily marketed open-world/action crap, most likely with SJW propaganda all over the place like it happened with TLOU2, and partnership with 3rd party service-oriented games (Activision, Epic Games).
Jim Ryan doesn't want you to play those retro games because you'll be missing an opportunity to spend hundreds bucks on digital junk in CoD and Fortnite so he can show-off to investors.
I feel like this stupid management will turn PlayStation into shithole similar to mobile gaming very soon.

P.S.: Can't even call PS3 games "retro", they are so much better than all the crap that is getting released these days.

 

I'm sorry but the amount of misinformation and hyperbole in that one post is just laughable.

 

Third party games generating a ton of revenue off microtransactions on a platform is absolutely no indication of a company's intentions or path forward for the future, especially when majority of that platforms exlcuisves barely has some sort of monetization.

 

They haven't ended partnership with any of the devs you mentioned. Quantic dreams released two more exlcusives on their platform after heavy rain and David cage has said in an interview that he's been planning to move away from being Playstation exclusive even before the release of Detroit become human in favour of becoming an independent publisher. Yakuza was only exclusive because Sony was the only one who showed interest in the series and it never performed well in the west up until yakuza 0 which is why Sega is now wanting to expand by putting the games on other platforms. 

 

Its funny you mention them turning into something similar to the mobile market while also trashing their shift towards the west. As I said somewhere else on this forum, I love how everyone that uses their shift as proof that they're "giving up on Japan" always never mention the massive mobile gaming market that's been exploding over there while the console market has been shrinking for Sony and Nintendo but growing in the west where they now have greater growth potentional. 

 

Sony will likely be investing in what makes them the most money, their consoles and stellar exclusives which no aren't filled with "sjw propaganda" not even last of us 2 was but let's not go there again on these forums. 

 

Jim Ryan does not give two shits wether you want to play old or new games, he simply gave an opinion which was also taken way out of context but he's not wrong either. Your average gamer is not picking up older consoles in favor of a ps4 or ps5, the same can be said for any sort of tech which has seen significant upgrades or changes over the years. It's one thing to disagree with his opinion but to act as if the guy is stopping you from going back to older games is just dumb. Imagine having Jim Ryan out of all people living in your head rent free lmao. 

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50 minutes ago, yuber1234 said:

 

AFAIK, the rumor said nothing about trophy sync. The store closing does not automatically mean that trophy syncing will stop being an option.

 

Personally, I could see Sony removing the ability to sync trophies from the PS3/Vita. That would force even more people to stop playing those systems, and spend money on a PS4/PS5/PS Now.

 

 

The PS3 and Vita use the same PSN as PS4 and PS5. How would they "remove" the ability to synch from only 1-2 systems, and not the rest? Also, why would be the point or stopping players from synching on the Vita...there is no newer version. If anything, that would drive vita players over to the switch. Since Sony would actually have to go out of their way to completely separate those systems from the PSN network, I imagine it would drive people away from the brand, not cause them to upgrade to a newer model. 

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2 hours ago, pavelbagirov said:

Some Persona games on ps3 is psn only?

If you don’t have older consoles the PSN versions are your ‘only’ way to play the classic games

 

Also, Persona 4 Golden is less than £10 on PSN in the UK but physically it sells for £50+

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12 minutes ago, KingSkovald said:

 

Your PSNprofiles clearly show you don't own PS3 and Vita and that's why you don't care, I own PS1-P5 and Vita and expect some respect from company which got thousands of $ (literally) from me.

 

Actually, that point he made is probably closer to accurate than not.  No one on this site hinting trophies is an "average" gamer.  We're a small niche group.  The average gamer is indeed pushing fornight and call of duty and gunning for ps5, not older consoles and games.

 

Although, I heard somewhere ps3 is still very mainstream in 3rd world countries?

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35 minutes ago, KingSkovald said:

 

Your PSNprofiles clearly show you don't own PS3 and Vita and that's why you don't care, I own PS1-P5 and Vita and expect some respect from company which got thousands of $ (literally) from me.
 

Never understood this viewpoint. Why should a company respect a consumer if they've already gotten your money? Besides, even if they shut the store down, it's not going to hurt them in the long run. Nintendo shut down the eshop on the Wii, and while people were angry for awhile, they've still made money hand over fist since.

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6 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said:

Never understood this viewpoint. Why should a company respect a consumer if they've already gotten your money?

I agree with you but these companies should respect us in a way because they wouldn't be anything without us. They should respect us for that. And disrespecting us is not a smart idea if they want to keep there consumers. 

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2 hours ago, SnowxSakura said:

Why should a company respect a consumer if they've already gotten your money?

True, but they even stopped pretending.

 

2 hours ago, SnowxSakura said:

Nintendo shut down the eshop on the Wii, and while people were angry for awhile, they've still made money hand over fist since.

They made it possible to transfer games to Wii U and gave 1 year notice and console itself is fully backwards compatible with Wii. Wii U eShop is still intact and they even do sales there. Same with 3DS, it's fully compatible with DS and 2DS, still has eShop operating and sales too. It doesn't hurt that much, just like PSP store closure because there is Vita where it's still possible (not for long?) to buy/download PSP games.
If Sony does this it risks to be the first company who wiped thousands of cool games into the abyss. Make PS3 games playable/purchasable on PS5 and leave Vita alone and I wouldn't care

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2 hours ago, KingSkovald said:

Your post contains lots of inconsistency, you make a statement and then deny it yourself

 

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/08/playstation_makes_more_money_from_dlc_microtransactions_than_anything_else
completely agree with you here!

But it only gets funnier

Franchise is finally getting noticed, it's about time to end exclusive deal! Sega is wanting to expand Yakuza but not wanting to expand Persona 5? It will loose exclusivity soon too tho, Sony is not interested in it either. Strikers is already cross-platform, Persona 4 was ported to PC, it's just a matter of time, Sony definitely won't pay for next big game exclusivity.

 

Searched for investors when Sony let him know they aren't interested in his movies anymore and Detroit will become human last one

 

Could be even funnier if you checked latest PS5 releases. Also link above again.

 

Your PSNprofiles clearly show you don't own PS3 and Vita and that's why you don't care, I own PS1-P5 and Vita and expect some respect from company which got thousands of $ (literally) from me.
 

Exactly! All he cares for is his financial reports to investors.

 

If there's any inconsistency in what I said then you're more than welcome to point em out. I think you just misunderstood the point I was trying to make. You're essentially saying "oh look fifa and gta online which are multiplatform are making a shit ton of money on a certain platform so it must be proof of how they're going to handle their games moving forward". It certainly hasn't been the case because almost all of their exclusives have almost no monetization and the ones that do are in the form of paid dlcs or expansions.

 

If Sony owned those studios and their games made it to a bunch of other platforms then sure I'd get your argument but they don't nor are they obligated to continue spending money for exclusivity. Let me correct myself there, the team behind yakuza has been very vocal about gaining an audience in the west and now that they've gained that audience, they're now looking to expand which is understandable. Their games being available to a bigger audience ain't exactly a negative or wrongdoing on Sony's part especially when they've  supported the series for so many years. From the looks of it Atlus has been looking to gain a bigger audience as well.  

 

That's your theory but the man himself has spoken on the matter. Wether you want to look it up or not is entirely up to you. 

 

My profile aint indication of much, I own a ps3 and all my games on there are digital only. I just find it highly unlikely that if the store was to be shut I'd somehow not be able to play any of those games anymore or sync trophies.

 

This assumption that every higher up or successful businessman is out to fuck everyone in the ass just needs to stop, borderline obessesive like let the man live lol. 

 

I seen your prior reply by the way, I don't see how trying to speak sense on a matter makes me some delusional fanboy but ey. Not being a fan of their leadership or certain decisions is one thing but to create a whole laundry list of shit that's factually incorrect because of it Is another. 

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2 hours ago, KingSkovald said:


I expect quality, it's wrong to say that we are niche group so we must suffer. Why suffer if there are better alternatives?

What lack of quality are you referring to exactly?  If I'm not mistaken, they've only removed the web store (which was previously announced) and everything is still accessible through the console store (the quality of which is an altogether different subject)

 

If I'm not mistaken, nothing, as of now, has been effectively removed or made inaccessible.  If/when that changes, then your concerns have merit.

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9 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said:

What lack of quality are you referring to exactly?  If I'm not mistaken, they've only removed the web store (which was previously announced) and everything is still accessible through the console store (the quality of which is an altogether different subject)

 

If I'm not mistaken, nothing, as of now, has been effectively removed or made inaccessible.  If/when that changes, then your concerns have merit.

 

I am 99% sure that certain content was viewable only through the webstore. You are not free to search for everything from console. There were lists on various sites like DelistedGames and Reddit IIRC.

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1 hour ago, Lance_87 said:

 

I am 99% sure that certain content was viewable only through the webstore. You are not free to search for everything from console. There were lists on various sites like DelistedGames and Reddit IIRC.

Viewable, or purchasable?

 

II'm asking because I've only used the store via console and phone app.  If delisted (I'm assuming delisted because you mentioned delistedgames site) content was purchasable through the web store, that sounds like a huge oversight. If it was only viewable, then... nothing was really lost?

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