BlindMango Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Hey Sly, I'm sure you've heard the news that Sony will FINALLY be putting rarity in percentage form on the PS4 (It's already on the PlayStation iPhone/Android app to see right now in all its glory!) - I was curious when looking at this new feature if you'd be implementing those official rarity stats on PSN Profiles to replace the rarity system used now? Seeing as the rarity percentage is official, the numbers are (supposed to be) truly 100% accurate now, so it would make sense to use those numbers now, right? Or would that data not be accessible like other stats are and would adding it be too much trouble than it's worth? Just thought I'd throw the idea out there to see what people thinks of it! Part of me wonders about adding it, sure it would line up nicely and accurately with official numbers, but would it cause too many "0.1% rarity trophies" and be less accurate among the users of this site to gauge the rarity better for example? Edited November 13, 2013 by BlindMango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbuk Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Hey Sly, I'm sure you've heard the news that Sony will FINALLY be putting rarity in percentage form on the PS4 (It's already on the PlayStation iPhone/Android app to see right now in all its glory!) - I was curious when looking at this new feature if you'd be implementing those official rarity stats on PSN Profiles to replace the rarity system used now? Seeing as the rarity percentage is official, the numbers are (supposed to be) truly 100% accurate now, so it would make sense to use those numbers now, right? Or would that data not be accessible like other stats are and would adding it be too much trouble than it's worth? Just thought I'd throw the idea out there to see what people thinks of it! Part of me wonders about adding it, sure it would line up nicely and accurately with official numbers, but would it cause too many "0.1% rarity trophies" and be less accurate among the users of this site to gauge the rarity better for example? I highly doubt they'll be 100% accurate, because I also doubt Sony cares about hackers, and won't bother removing them. That'll give false statistics, whereas this site is the closest you can get to accurate because hackers are removed here (12,000+ since PSNP started ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMitched Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Doubt it by a long-shot, I have found a few problems with the Sony's rarity scale. Some examples are shown below: - It counts EVERYBODY who has played it including those who have 0% trophy progress for the game therefore making the rarity much more rarer. For example, Sound Shapes plat on the Sony rarity is 20% while its 40% here despite the list being super easy. - Hackers are counted in Sony's one, therefore making it even more inaccurate. For example, FFXIV-A Realm Reborn actually has a 0.1% plat chance even though the game is currently unplattable (please explain that Sony?). - Only a small amount of PSN users are Trophy Hunters, it's basically used to say "Oh hey, some of my plats are ultra rare even though there are heaps of people who don't go for trophies in this game". One good example of this is COD: Ghosts, 90% of players get it for the MP and therefore can make just about most trophies rare/ultra rare. Basically, what Sly has here is much more accurate since he tries to get rid of hackers and exploiters while only counting people who really hunt trophies (as in loading their trophy progress onto this website) as opposed to casual players who have no clue what a trophy is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbuk Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Doubt it by a long-shot, I have found a few problems with the Sony's rarity scale. Some examples are shown below: - It counts EVERYBODY who has played it including those who have 0% trophy progress for the game therefore making the rarity much more rarer. For example, Sound Shapes plat on the Sony rarity is 20% while its 40% here despite the list being super easy. - Hackers are counted in Sony's one, therefore making it even more inaccurate. For example, FFXIV-A Realm Reborn actually has a 0.1% plat chance even though the game is currently unplattable (please explain that Sony?). - Only a small amount of PSN users are Trophy Hunters, it's basically used to say "Oh hey, some of my plats are ultra rare even though there are heaps of people who don't go for trophies in this game". One good example of this is COD: Ghosts, 90% of players get it for the MP and therefore can make just about most trophies rare/ultra rare. Basically, what Sly has here is much more accurate since he tries to get rid of hackers and exploiters while only counting people who really hunt trophies (as in loading their trophy progress onto this website) as opposed to casual players who have no clue what a trophy is. PSNP, to me knowledge, counts people who have 0% in the rarity too. Take Ico for example: The first trophy you get is the one for saving Yorda. There is no way around getting that one first. Yet it isn't 100% rarity, because not everyone has played that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted November 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 The official rarity values should be used in my opinion. The accuracy will be massivly higher than the ones currently available on this site, even with hackers, as the total number of players will be correct, not just based on who uses the site. It will also take account of 0% players, and will remove the issue this site has of not counting dlc trophies unless the person has already earned one in the dlc pack, therefore artificially reducing the rarity of them. There will also be the issue of simple confusion. The reason sites like this one have rarity values is because Sony didn't do it on PSN. Now that they do, those official values will always be more accurate. I don't want to know I'm better than just other trophy hunters, I want to know im better than everyone! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetMitched Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 PSNP, to me knowledge, counts people who have 0% in the rarity too. Take Ico for example: The first trophy you get is the one for saving Yorda. There is no way around getting that one first. Yet it isn't 100% rarity, because not everyone has played that far. Ah I didn't know that haha. The official rarity values should be used in my opinion. The accuracy will be massivly higher than the ones currently available on this site, even with hackers, as the total number of players will be correct, not just based on who uses the site. It will also take account of 0% players, and will remove the issue this site has of not counting dlc trophies unless the person has already earned one in the dlc pack, therefore artificially reducing the rarity of them. There will also be the issue of simple confusion. The reason sites like this one have rarity values is because Sony didn't do it on PSN. Now that they do, those official values will always be more accurate. I don't want to know I'm better than just other trophy hunters, I want to know im better than everyone! Yeah, that last line you said is how I feel, but I just hope with the PS4, Sony gets rid of hackers so we have very accurate rarity values. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxi Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 As Bloodmoney says the rarity used by Sony will be more accurate than any trophy statistic site currently in use, the fact that all users will be tracked (I'm guessing) will far outweigh the skewing of values that the small percentage of cheats can cause. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Popular Post Sly Ripper Posted November 13, 2013 Solution Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 Doubt it, everything is just rare. The UP plat is 10.2%, here it's 64.64%. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theitdemon Posted November 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 I personally think that trophy / game rarity SHOULD include people with 0%. After all, they have played the game. Just because no trophies have been earned doesn't mean thw fact they have played it should be ignored 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matao Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 It'll be great if they get rid of hackers and have a tighter rarity scale, 00.5% or 1.00% is ultra rare and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerJAZZ420 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Hey Sly, I'm sure you've heard the news that Sony will FINALLY be putting rarity in percentage form on the PS4 (It's already on the PlayStation iPhone/Android app to see right now in all its glory!) - I was curious when looking at this new feature if you'd be implementing those official rarity stats on PSN Profiles to replace the rarity system used now? Seeing as the rarity percentage is official, the numbers are (supposed to be) truly 100% accurate now, so it would make sense to use those numbers now, right? Or would that data not be accessible like other stats are and would adding it be too much trouble than it's worth? Just thought I'd throw the idea out there to see what people thinks of it! Part of me wonders about adding it, sure it would line up nicely and accurately with official numbers, but would it cause too many "0.1% rarity trophies" and be less accurate among the users of this site to gauge the rarity better for example? Whats the name of the app? im checkin on my iphone and cant see anything, Sony Official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelotedeneige Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Maybe it would be nice to display both information on the rarity to see if there is a huge difference between people who are chasing trophies and all the gamers, even with a small percentage of cheaters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 You are assuming that Sony's statistic will be accurate. I have some doubts about DLCs for example. Will they account only for people who purchased the DLC, or for everyone who has the main game just because the trophy lists gets updated patching the game, and not while installing the DLC itself? You know, this site accounts only for people who at least have a trophy in the DLCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 You are assuming that Sony's statistic will be accurate.I have some doubts about DLCs for example. Will they account only for people who purchased the DLC, or for everyone who has the main game just because the trophy lists gets updated patching the game, and not while installing the DLC itself?You know, this site accounts only for people who at least have a trophy in the DLCs. Sony's stats are accurate, I checked the Metro Last Light ranger mode trophies. On this site it is 100% and therefore supercommon, since there are only two trophies and so to count as played someone has to have received at minimum the lower tier one. In reality (on Sony metric) the rarity is 1.5%, and therefore Ultrarare. I realise this is an extreme example, but it illustates how far out of whack the rarities on this site are from the true rarity values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutaz_ Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I hope not i enjoy seeing actual trophy hunter stats like the InFamous plat is considered a 2% ultra rare trophy on the app where as it's like 15% here i think. 15% out of actual like minded trophy hunters means more than 2% out of everybody who has ever installed the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Sony's stats are accurate, I checked the Metro Last Light ranger mode trophies. On this site it is 100% and therefore supercommon, since there are only two trophies and so to count as played someone has to have received at minimum the lower tier one. In reality (on Sony metric) the rarity is 1.5%, and therefore Ultrarare. I realise this is an extreme example, but it illustates how far out of whack the rarities on this site are from the true rarity values. To me that 1.5% seems more like based on all people who onw the game, not on who owns the dlc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 To me that 1.5% seems more like based on all people who onw the game, not on who owns the dlc. It is, thats what im saying. That is the correct rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) It's not. If someone didn't buy the DLC it shouldn't be accounted in the total. The userbase it's differente and the stat would be incorrect. If not then you should account ALL PSN players for every base game even if they don't have it, because they could buy said game sooner or later. Edited November 13, 2013 by DocDoomII 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I disagree. If you want an S Rank you need to complete every trophy in the game. That includes dlc, and I personally think the trophy rarities should reflect that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 It's not a matter of wanting the S rank or not. It's a piece of software that you have to buy separately (unless a goty comes out) and this means a LOT of peope will not buy it, hence the rarity of said trophies should be valued with the usebase who purchased the software. If 10000 people have the game and only 10 of them got the plat, the plat is owned by 0,1% users. If the same game has a DLC and only 100 people bought it and then only 1 has got a trophy of said DLC the rarity should be 1%, not 0,01%. The userbase is different. 0,01% is a biased value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindMango Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Thanks for the input guys, man there really are a lot of good reasons for doing and not doing it! Sly says "doubt it" because all of the trophies look rare and there's a much smaller gauge for you to judge rarity, which does make sense to me, however it's nice to finally have official rarity from Sony. Also, I agree, Sony really, really needs to start setting up a system to detect cheaters if they start adding more trophy features - I mean, look how the greatness awaits trophy auction really turned their world upside down when realizing cheaters were present there, haha Anyways, thanks for the response Sly and everyone else, I was curious about this =P Edited November 13, 2013 by BlindMango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkthur Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Why not have both? Boom! Diplomacy for the win! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memnoch Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Oh here we go again... Where are my ultra rare dlc trophies !! It was a simple question from blindmango, and a simple answer from Sly... Whether to use sony numbers or not have nothing to do with this site counting people with dlc or overall players, and that thread was done to death and had to be locked. Lets hope it doesnt go that way on this one... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chel5eafc1997 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 where is this app on the app store because i cannot seem to find it anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Scuba Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I'd vote to keep the system here. Can look at Playstations rarity scale too see how rare it is out of the whole population. Rarity scale here is amoungst people who care about Trophies which is a sub group of the prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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