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Fall Guys (WW) --> (NA)

 

I saw some discussion regarding the new Fall Guys stack, there's 6 posts in this thread regarding it.
I still think it should be tagged as NA as games usually fallback to the NA version in AS/JP if they don't have any region-specific versions
as per this comment: https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/124526-na-version-in-asian-account/#comment-2537098

 

Exhibit A:
Mostly players are from the Americas (US, Canada, Mexico, Latin America, etc.) in the leaderboards:
https://psnprofiles.com/game-leaderboard/15789-fall-guys-ultimate-knockout

Exhibit B:
America and Europe regions marked for the Game (DLC has region-specific product codes)
https://serialstation.com/search/?search=fall+guys
fall-guys-ss2.png
 

Exhibit C:
Content IDs are EU (EPxxxx) and NA (UPxxxx) based for the main games.
The DLC have specific region based content IDs because usually DLC are tied to regions even if the main game is not.

fall-guys-ss1.png

source: https://serialstation.com/search/?search=fall+guys
 

If SerialStation data is considered as unverified data then here are the URLs for the game in the different stores:
US Store: https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP1477-CUSA29236_00-FALLGUYS00000000
HK Store: https://store.playstation.com/en-hk/product/UP1477-CUSA29236_00-FALLGUYS00000000
*HK = Hong Kong
JP Store: https://store.playstation.com/ja-jp/product/UP1477-CUSA29236_00-FALLGUYS00000000

 

Please note that the Content ID is the same: UP1477-CUSA29236_00-FALLGUYS00000000

UPxxxx means it's the NA version, in all those stores.

On the European (Sweden) Store: https://store.playstation.com/en-se/product/EP1464-CUSA29237_00-FALLGUYS00000000

EPxxxx means it's the EU version.

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Hope it helps. :)

TL;DR: NA version of the game is published on all stores (eg. US store, AS stores, JP store) except for the EU store.
Thus WW stack should be rebranded as NA stack.

 

(This is similar to HK store "The Quiet Man" which has 3 stack: EU/NA/JP. And on the HK/AS store the fallback version is NA since there is no AS stack!
https://store.playstation.com/en-hk/product/UP0082-CUSA11757_00-ASIA000000000000, notice UPxxxx Content ID and that the NA stack will appear on your profile if you buy and play this game [tested and verified!] )

 

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I tagged the Fall Guys game as NA because it seems to be confusing a ton of people who are using the site (most users are mainly from NA & EU) and there are a ton of lists in the past that we tag NA even though Asian countries or Middle Eastern countries are also bundled with the list but the vast majority of owners are from NA. Same with tagging a list as EU even though Australia is commonly bundled with EU lists. It simplifies things, especially with this game we already have a confusing "Original" list release and a split rerelease

 

TL;DR Yes, I know it's not exclusively the region it's tagged as, but that's the case for many, many lists on the site for many years.

 

13 hours ago, MRTheChez said:

What happened to PS5 trophy lists? they used to have a white PS5 label instead of the other ones, what was the reason for this? I kinda liked the white ps5 label tbh

 

On this site PS5 was never tagged with white labels - that's only done one the PS5 console itself. I think Sly should probably make it a darker shade of blue or something different than PS4, but they've always been the same shade as PS4 since the PS5 released here on the site. I think PSNP+ may have them as white, but I'm note 100% certain.

 

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1 hour ago, Aridoyu said:

I think the alternate names for Sora no Kiseki FC Evolution are messed up, but they show up on IGDB just fine.

https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/3617-英雄伝説-空の軌跡-fc-evolution/

I reapplied the meta for that game, but what you see is simply how it shows on IGDB. Please see below for comparison.

 

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PSNP

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If there is something incorrect, you would need to log into IGDB and manually correct it by going to the explicit IGDB page.

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2 hours ago, Dreggit said:

I reapplied the meta for that game, but what you see is simply how it shows on IGDB. Please see below for comparison.

 

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If there is something incorrect, you would need to log into IGDB and manually correct it by going to the explicit IGDB page.

Yup! Everything looks fine now, it used to be completely blank.

 

Although, Sora no Kiseki the 3rd Evolution seems to have the same issue as well

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https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/5080-英雄伝説-空の軌跡-the-3rd-evolution

https://www.igdb.com/games/the-legend-of-heroes-trails-in-the-sky-the-3rd-evolution

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14 hours ago, Dreggit said:

I reapplied the meta for that game, but what you see is simply how it shows on IGDB. Please see below for comparison.

 

Sorry about the confusion, I fixed it yesterday right after they commented but only liked their post, and didn't reply that it was fixed - other names used to be blank

 

12 hours ago, Aridoyu said:

Yup! Everything looks fine now, it used to be completely blank.

 

Although, Sora no Kiseki the 3rd Evolution seems to have the same issue as well

 

Fixed!

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On 4/10/2022 at 9:24 AM, zizimonster said:

This trophy list is Asian version, not Japanese version. You can purchase it on any Asian PlayStation Stores.

 

Here is some proof.

Content ID is HP0177-CUSA26869_00-9918134613905248,
not JPxxxx, so makes sense. But without further investigation I can't say for sure.
Just based on this I would also vouch for this being an AS stack.


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@BlindMango and others that tag according to region, keep in mind stacks and regions are not divided by geographic region, rather by the subdivision of Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE).

SIE has 6 subdivisions:

  • SIEE (Europe) - EU incl. Middle-Eastern countries + Australia + South Africa
  • SIEA (Americas) - North America + South America
  • SIEAS (Asia) - Asia excl. Japan, Korea, China
  • SIEJ (Japan)
  • SIEK (Korea)
  • SIEC (China)

Content on the stores and regions, as well as trophy stacks are most likely divided in this manner.
(Some exceptions made to PH/DG stacks and eg. German or Australia only stacks WITHIN the EU region or other regions).


There's sparse info on this online but I posted some sources below.

 

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1 hour ago, HuntingFever said:

Retail, not Asia: https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/15983-vampire-the-masquerade-coteries-of-new-york

 

A retail version has surfaced in various online retailers in key markets so isn't restricted to Asia.

And this is exclusive to this specific stack?

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12 minutes ago, kindajustin said:

Hey I don't normally do this so excuse me if I'm wrong. The old version of Fall Guys is now called "Fall Guy: Ultimate Knockout" on my PS4. Looks official to me. Does that need changing?

No, it's fine the way it is. This was likely a grammar mistake by the devs when they renamed the list. They also added "retiring" on it, but this is why we have OG tag on it.

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11 hours ago, ryuji_sakujo said:

@BlindMango and others that tag according to region, keep in mind stacks and regions are not divided by geographic region, rather by the subdivision of Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE).

SIE has 6 subdivisions:

 

So as a baseline I would say trophy lists are sort of based on this, but also can deviate away from this relatively quickly too and can get a little trickier - depending on what the developer does.

 

When a developer makes a game, they release it for a region (or multiple regions). Whenever a trophy list is made, the developer has two choices: to link the regions together into a single list which has one single list ID, or to create a completely identical list for each region which all have their own trophy list IDs. Or... They can link everything to the same list and for one region decide to just split that one off for whatever reason.

 

Here's a scenario that will hopefully make more sense of how trophy lists can get split apart.

  • Say a developer makes their game in Japan only. That game has its own trophy list with its own unique list ID. That list is published with that game and has the opportunity to have regions added to it in the future, or remain untouched depending on how the developer handles it.
  • The game becomes successful in Japan, so they then decide to release it in Korea next. That game is submitted to SIEK to release in that region - the developer now has two choices before the release of the game: link that regional game to the existing Japanese list, or create a whole new trophy list with a different ID and just fill it in with all the same titles, descriptions, and unlock requirements as the Japanese list. If they link the Korean game to the existing Japanese list, that would typically be tagged as "Asia" on our site, even though they haven't released the game in the other Asian countries.
  • The game is really popular in Korea so they decide to release it in America, so they submit their game to SIEA. They then have the same decision to add this version to the original (Japanese) list, or create another separate list, if they add it to the original this would now not have a regional tag anymore on our site because it's more of a "worldwide" list. If they make a separate list here, then they would be tagged AS & NA on the site.
  • Say the developer decided to retain a single list for JP, KR, & NA then decided to release in EU, but they have to make two different submissions of the "same" game to SIEE because they have to release a regular version of the game intended for for EU and a slightly altered version meant for Germany. This doesn't normally happen except for rare cases like censorship or abiding by country laws, etc. They have the opportunity to do a few things here: link everything to the original list, or make a whole new list and combine the EU & GER games together, or make two new lists with new list IDs because they are releasing 'two games' and make two separate lists (which we would tag one as EU and the other as GER).
  • People now want a physical version of the game, so the developer gives the game to Limited Run to produce it. Limited Run is a different "developer"/publisher to Sony, so in some cases has to submit the game as a completely different game to each region. Sometimes depending on the publisher/developer relationship on the backend, they can link things to the original trophy list, other times they can't and have have to make a separate list, which in that case we would mark as "PH".

This is just one example, but a game can be really broken up or really organized depending on developer decisions and how many versions of the same game may be submitted to a single region too. Sometimes it is based on an SIE subdivision, other times, not so much - hopefully that makes sense!

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https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/1160-just-dance-kids is physical-only as per https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps3/268008-just-dance-kids/data (having only released in Australia & France)

https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/1148-just-dance-kids-2 is physical-only as per https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps3/636091-just-dance-kids-2/data (having only released in the U.S. & Asia)

 

SerialStation confirms this.

https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/1038-dance-its-your-stage is EU physical. https://serialstation.com/titles/BLES/01266

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https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/954-germanys-next-topmodel-2011 is physical

https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/752-germanys-next-topmodel-2010 GER (digital)

@Dreggit Could you take a look at the discussion here? It is my belief that the "OR" version of Saint Seiya: Soldiers' Soul is really Latin American for PS3-only, after conducting a bit of research. I can't find anything that confirms this trophyset was ever on PS4. 

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