Popular Post bosstristan Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) Am I the only one who's completely disappointed by the trophy list? Don't get me wrong, the game is truly amazing, and that what matters the most. But when it comes to the trophy list, it's really... not there. You don't even need to finish the game in this or that difficulty, collect all spy bots, all orbs, all gold bolts (wtf), beat challenge mode, beat all the arena challenges, upgrade all weapons... It is a real shame, you can basically get the plat' with no effort whatsoever, leaving the game to not even 50%... I don't mean trophies should be excruciatingly hard, but just enough so it feels like you actually achieved something, you completed the game to 100% (especially when it's such a short game like this one, for games like Just Cause 2, 75% required is enough imo). Plus, collectible are sh*t easy to find AND displayed on the map, what is this, Assassin's Creed? Anyway, I've completed the game 100% (without activating the preorder DLC which seems to be quite game breaking btw) and I'm now playing challenge mode in the highest difficulty. I find it really sad they wanted to make is so 'accessible', a platinum should not be too accessible, that's the point of a reward/trophy/achievement. Edited June 19, 2021 by bosstristan 75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 Careful man, if you suggest trophy lists shouldn't be for the every-player you'll have a horde of "trophy hunters" coming right after you 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bosstristan Posted June 16, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, Deadly_Ha_Ha said: Careful man, if you suggest trophy lists shouldn't be for the every-player you'll have a horde of "trophy hunters" coming right after you My body is ready lol 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stardroid Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) Personally I have grown quite tired of spineless devs in the AAA industry giving us super easy trophy lists. I think they know trophy hunters like to moan a lot when lists are too much of a challenge in their perception. Edited June 16, 2021 by Stardroid 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosstristan Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, Stardroid said: Personally I have grown quite tired of spineless devs in the AAA industry giving us super easy trophy lists. I think they know trophy hunters like to moan a lot. True. After the Mayo boom, it seems it's a common thing for devs to include very easy trophies, multi lists and cross trophies features to appeal to the """""trophy hunters"""". I miss the good old times when devs saw a tiny bit of a challenge in their game design and trophy lists. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 Trophy hunting today reminds me of the King of the Hill episode when Bobby is going to shoot his first deer but Hank forgets to get his hunting license and Bobby ends up shooting a deer in a "hunting center" basically with feeders that bring deer over to them and there's almost nothing resembling real hunting. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceIsDandy Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Uhhh.... isnt the OP complaining because a list was too easy? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Armored_Oso66 Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 Yea it's the trophy list here was very disappointing especially when it's compared to the other RAC trophies. Granted those lists weren't hard either but atleast they felt more flushed out to the point that it was still fun to complete them. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bosstristan Posted June 16, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Armored_Oso66 said: Yea it's the trophy list here was very disappointing especially when it's compared to the other RAC trophies. Granted those lists weren't hard either but atleast they felt more flushed out to the point that it was still fun to complete them. Exactly, nothing to do with "it's too easy", but more to do with "it barely asks you to complete the game". OG R&C and even those on PS3/PS4 were a lot of fun to complete, and they actually required you to complete the game 100%, even though it wasn't hard per se, it felt like you mastered the games. BTW I miss Skill Points, what happened to these? Edited June 16, 2021 by bosstristan 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, Armored_Oso66 said: Yea it's the trophy list here was very disappointing especially when it's compared to the other RAC trophies. Granted those lists weren't hard either but atleast they felt more flushed out to the point that it was still fun to complete them. I completely agree. Looking back on every single R&C game (not counting those outside the typical genre of the game) it's not like the lists were absolutely bonkers or anything and the rarities were between the high-teens and the mid-20s. This list is so neutered and you can just tell how common this plat will be 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post djb5f Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 Some games trophy lists can be shorter/easier and some harder/more grindy. Variety is the spice of life. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armored_Oso66 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, bosstristan said: Exactly, nothing to do with "it's too easy", but more to do with "it barely asks you to complete the game". OG R&C and even those on PS3/PS4 were a lot of fun to complete, and they actually required you to complete the game 100%, even though it wasn't hard per se, it felt like you mastered the games. BTW I miss Skill Points, what happened to these? That's a good question. I don't remember if RAC 2016 had skillpoints, but I think "Into The Nexus" did. But either way once I start playing "Rift Apart" I was doing random stuff trying to see if skillpoints would ping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Mayus Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) Especially Ratchet games. It is actually fun levelling up weapons, finding bolts, challenge mode...i have never complained about any of these before. There are games where i am ok for that stuff to be removed but not out of fun games. I love having to keep switching weapons as it makes the game more interesting to play. Without HAVING to level weapons then you can probably just play with 2 or 3 guns. EDIT - i would still to all of these things as i love R&C Edited June 16, 2021 by Dr_Mayus 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steel6burgh Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, bosstristan said: Am I the only who's completely disappointed by the trophy list? Don't get me wrong, the game is truly amazing, and that what matters the most. But when it comes to the trophy list, it's really... not there. You don't even need to finish the game in this or that difficulty, collect all spy bots, all orbs, all gold bolts (wtf), beat challenge mode, beat all the arena challenges, upgrade all weapons... It is a real shame, you can basically get the plat' with no effort whatsoever, leaving the game to not even 50%... I don't mean trophies should be excruciatingly hard, but just enough so it feels like you actually achieved something, you completed the game to 100% (especially when it's such a short game like this one, for games like Just Cause 2, 75% required is enough imo). Plus, collectible are sh*t easy to find AND displayed on the map, what is this, Assassin's Creed? Anyway, I've completed the game 100% (without activating the preorder DLC which seems to be quite game breaking btw) and I'm now playing challenge mode in the highest difficulty. I find it really sad they wanted to make is so 'accessible', a platinum should not be too accessible, that's the point of a reward/trophy/achievement. it's a sony exclusive. Last of us 2 you could set the game to highlight all collectibles, you could set it so you wouldn't fall to your death when there was like only two places in the entire game where you could fall to your death anyway. Worst of all these settings didn't disable difficulty trophies. Sony is a participation reward type company now no doubt ran by leftist who think if someone gets left out of a participation reward then life isn't fair. Worse than that this is the world we're living in full of whiners and crybabies who want everything for putting forth nothing. If you can't beat them join them and enjoy your $70 ratalaka, effortless platinum. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 Trophies are an incentive to explore all possibilities and sometimes get outside the comfort zone of what is easy or even convenient, finding at times that your experience was fuller for doing what the trophies asked of you. It's not about the game, it's about the experience of trophy hunting. No one can deny that trophies motivate players to do what's outside the realm of necessity. It varies by game and by individual, but this list looks like it fails to even encompass all that the game offers. That's a bad list. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Dubz Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Agreed OP... I have yet to play this, but have played/platted a few R&C games prior to this. This list just sounds like it includes half of the game, which is a bit disappointing! As @Dr_Mayus had already mentioned, I really enjoyed leveling up all the guns and finding the other collectibles and such in the prior entries. Such a bummer, although I'll probably still pick this up eventually! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NathanielJohn Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, steel6burgh said: it's a sony exclusive. Last of us 2 you could set the game to highlight all collectibles, you could set it so you wouldn't fall to your death when there was like only two places in the entire game where you could fall to your death anyway. Worst of all these settings didn't disable difficulty trophies. But you still had to do everything in TLoU2. Even though the list was dirt-easy, after completing it you had seen all that the game had to offer. The difference with Rift Apart's trophy list isn't that it's too easy, but that it simply doesn't cover a ton of stuff that's in the game: You only need to find 5 of the 25 gold bolts. You don't need to buy a single one of the 20 Omega weapons. You don't need to upgrade a single weapon to level 10. You only need to upgrade 1 of the 20 weapons to level 5. You only need to buy all raritanium upgrades for 1 of the 20 weapons. You don't need to complete challenge mode. You only need to collect 3 of the 12 Lorbs. You only need to collect 3 of the 24 armor pieces. You don't need to find or complete all of the pocket dimensions. Edited June 16, 2021 by NathanielJohn 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoonerLukeThe Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 do they have the hoverboard races like in ratchet and clank on the ps4? I hated those trophies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, steel6burgh said: it's a sony exclusive. Last of us 2 you could set the game to highlight all collectibles, you could set it so you wouldn't fall to your death when there was like only two places in the entire game where you could fall to your death anyway. Worst of all these settings didn't disable difficulty trophies. Sony is a participation reward type company now no doubt ran by leftist who think if someone gets left out of a participation reward then life isn't fair. You're talking about the Accessibility settings - which are not the same as in game cheats or difficulty settings. Accessibility settings are there to allow people who had different limitations on their physical abilities to input to the game, and still play and enjoy the full breadth of the game, with modifications to compensate for or alleviate different physical barriers. Disabling trophies as a result of using them, would be a real dick move - basically telling differently abled players that their money is good, but they're not getting the trophies, as their efforts, while allowed for, are not equivalent to those of an able-bodied gamer. The fact that some able-bodied people can abuse those acceptability options, doesn't mean that any fault lies with their implementation - only with the people who do so. You don't ban the use of wheels-chairs, simply because they could be used by someone who can walk. On topic, as little premium as I generally place on "challenge" as a metric for "quality" - I do agree with @Deadly_Ha_Ha, in so much as a good trophy list is one that requires at least a fair amount of the game to be experienced - and a bad one is one that doesn't. Whether that is difficult or not, I don't really care either way, but completion of the trophy list should, at least, require a broad spectrum of the game's features to be engaged with. Edited June 16, 2021 by DrBloodmoney 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Mayus Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Joe Dubz said: Agreed OP... I have yet to play this, but have played/platted a few R&C games prior to this. This list just sounds like it includes half of the game, which is a bit disappointing! As @Dr_Mayus had already mentioned, I really enjoyed leveling up all the guns and finding the other collectibles and such in the prior entries. Such a bummer, although I'll probably still pick this up eventually! I mean, yeah even with a crappy list i still want to play it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 @DrBloodmoney right. A good list is one that goes along with the full breadth of the game. A list doesn't have to be hard if the game isn't hard, just that it should ask the player to accomplish as maximum a level of proficiency and exploration as possible. If it's a pain to do a game on the maximum difficulty, then maybe the game is poorly designed. But the trophy list should still ask the player to accomplish what the game presents as the full range of what is in it. And generally that is for better or for worse, but making lists that barely ask anything more than playing casually all the way to the end of the game is not good for this hobby in my opinion 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr_0zt Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 GOTY so far and trophy list was well made. What I would have liked is either more game or lower price. So far, non of these $100 (Canada) priced games are worth it, wait till they are at least 25% off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosstristan Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, steel6burgh said: it's a sony exclusive. Last of us 2 you could set the game to highlight all collectibles, you could set it so you wouldn't fall to your death when there was like only two places in the entire game where you could fall to your death anyway. Worst of all these settings didn't disable difficulty trophies. Sony is a participation reward type company now no doubt ran by leftist who think if someone gets left out of a participation reward then life isn't fair. Worse than that this is the world we're living in full of whiners and crybabies who want everything for putting forth nothing. If you can't beat them join them and enjoy your $70 ratalaka, effortless platinum. I agree. (Even if we should not get into politics for the sake of not going off topic and not offending anyone's political opinion) I was also disappointed that you could enable EVERY single assist and still get the plat'. However, TLOU2 required you to complete the game and find every collectible, as well as complete perma death and Grounded mode (which was a horrible experience when you combined both like I did). So yeah, room for improvement for sure, but at least you felt like you had completed the game 100% in the end of the day. Edited June 16, 2021 by bosstristan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steel6burgh Posted June 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: You're talking about the Accessibility settings - which are not the same as in game cheats or difficulty settings. Accessibility settings are there to allow people who had different limitations on their physical abilities to input to the game, and still play and enjoy the full breadth of the game, with modifications to compensate for or alleviate different physical barriers. Disabling trophies as a result of using them, would be a real dick move - basically telling differently abled players that their money is good, but they're not getting the trophies, as their efforts, while allowed for, are not equivalent to those of an able-bodied gamer. The fact that some able-bodied people can abuse those acceptability options, doesn't mean that any fault lies with their implementation - only with the people who do so. You don't ban the use of wheels-chairs, simply because they could be used by someone who can walk. On topic, as little premium as I generally place on "challenge" as a metric for "quality" - I do agree with @Deadly_Ha_Ha, in so much as a good trophy list is one that requires at least a fair amount of the game to be experienced - and a bad one is one that doesn't. Whether that is difficult or not, I don't really care either way, but completion of the trophy list should, at least, require a broad spectrum of the game's features to be engaged with. There are plenty of games that provide handicap type settings that disable trophies. I get what you're saying but it's also doesn't makes sense for the majority of the world who are not handicap to have to play back to handicap standards in order to appease the few. I have a special needs child so no need to preach to me about the handicap i get it. Accessibility setting for the handicap or impaired allows them to enjoy and play the game doesn't necessarily mean you have to hand out the prize for the hardest play through. While I understand and agree with your point that the rest of us need not use these settings you know that will not be the case. It's all pretty meaningless but as father of a child with costello syndrome I never ask the world to change their standards on behalf of my child that isn't fair to anybody else and I know she wouldn't want that either. I think it's great they have settings like this in games but I don't agree that they should still allow trophies. For a vast majority of people who suffer from handicaps and syndromes accessibility settings are not going to make a difference to the point they earn all the trophies anyway if I'm being honest. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkerdip Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I agree with this. I dont mind trophy lists being easy but I wish they atleast had you explore everything the game has to offer to make it an achievement. As this game is is so good its one of the few times these days where I will do challenge mode even though its not required. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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