RadiantFlamberge Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 No more Daily Mail, now that I see what they're like. The first time is the last. Into my blocked sites list it goes. Because of the California Energy Commission's regulations, Intel is pushing the ATX12VO standard. The power supplies have only a 12V output, with a new 10-pin connector supplying the motherboard. So 3.3V and 5V connections get power from the motherboard, not the PSU itself. ATX12VO focuses on reducing power consumption in idle/low power states... which should cut power usage considerably, since your PC isn't running at full throttle all the time. The standard's PSUs will be cheaper but the motherboards will cost more. https://overclock3d.net/reviews/power_supply/atx12vo_tested_-_the_future_of_power_supplies/1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) Jesus Christ, this thread is only 24 posts old as I write this, yet it already has a bullshit level that would make Paul Dacre proud. It's one step short of being a Daily Mail article itself. It's the Daily Mail. That means that - even on the off chance there is a kernel of truth somewhere in it - the article is guaranteed to be written in the most misleading and sensationalist way imaginable, and designed exclusively to keep gammon-faced, Tory grandmothers and blue-blazer wearing UKIP bowling club members angry enough to keep their blood pumping and their hate flowing. Finding the reality in the sensationalism will be like picking through a human turd to find a kernel of corn. The Daily Mail is not a newspaper, it is a fundraising leaflet for the un-radical right. It's an environmental regulation. Any company falling foul of it has known about it for years, and either failed to do their due diligence, or is aware and accepts it - and anyone living in the areas affected by it either supports it, or has failed to fight against it. Environmental regulation has sweet fuck-all to do with 'social justice' so drop the SJW shite. The fact that a lot of the people who don't give a shit about the environment tend to be the same people who don't give a shit about other people is purely a coincidence. Arguments using 'whataboutism' are the most boring pseudo-arguments there are. The fact that there are other things that also need to be addressed to have a big impact on the environment is not a valid reason for not doing one thing. Expecting all-or-nothing approaches is a recipe for 'nothing' every time. Making an argument that this is somehow a 'class' thing, where 'rich governmental types' are stopping on the freedoms of the 'poor PC players' is completely asinine - people buying an Alienware PC are not 'poor' Edited July 28, 2021 by DrBloodmoney 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WatertownsFinest Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, AJ_Radio said: This is bullshit. Complete bullshit. The asshole SJWs there are ruining everything. I sort of blame Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Bunch of rich assholes in both places who couldn't care less about the needy and the general public. "Hey, let's ban Alienware PCs, even though they've been around for a pretty long time." California already has enough problems from their shit politics, forest fires and COVID-19 restrictions. Now they have to ban Alienware PCs. And there are things that eat up a lot more power than an Alienware running in your living room all day long. A shitty situation all around. I'm so happy I don't live in this state. SJWs? What are you even on about dude? What about banning pcs has to do about Silicon Valley not caring about the needy and the general public? What does it have to do with rich people? You say its partially their fault for living in big mansions that they never use, that suck up power, but how is that their fault? If anything its the state of CA's fault for seemingly allowing it to get this bad without rectifying the situation or putting restrictions before it got out of hand. You cant just blame someone rich in CA for the power consumption laws just because they purchased a large property LMAO, get real. And because a company has "been around a pretty long time" it cant be touched? another bad take, even if no company deserves this treatment let alone Alienware Banning pc hardware and parts is DUMB. A really, really dumb and pointless move that isn't going to benefit anyone in the long run, let alone fix the power consumption problem. But not as dumb as every other thing i read from you. Edited July 28, 2021 by WatertownsFinest 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WatertownsFinest Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, AJ_Radio said: That answers none of my questions. Why is caring about global warming being an "SJW?" I am so sick of seeing you misuse that word. I'm sorry that so many of your tangents derail into your ideologies that quite frankly often have nothing to do with the subject material most of the time. I don't quote you when you speak truth cause I don't have to. I've even liked a few of your posts. This however, is nonsense. Caring about global warming isn't being an SJW, and rich people aren't what caused the power shortage and shouldn't necessarily be targeted just because they use more power. Am i not allowed to point these things out? Edited July 28, 2021 by Beyondthegrave07 Removed quote 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgins Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 yall are funny for getting so heated about this, especially if you don't even play PC or live in any of the listed states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, WatertownsFinest said: That answers none of my questions. Why is caring about global warming being an "SJW?" I am so sick of seeing you misuse that word. I'm sorry that so many of your tangents derail into your ideologies that quite frankly often have nothing to do with the subject material most of the time. I don't quote you when you speak truth cause I don't have to. I've even liked a few of your posts. This however, is nonsense. Caring about global warming isn't being an SJW, and rich people aren't what caused the power shortage and shouldn't necessarily be targeted just because they use more power. Am i not allowed to point these things out? Some folks define all people who's opinions deviate from their own as "SJW", because they feel like that forces all counter-opinions into the same neat basket, and that using that term will diminish any counter argument as being simply a hollow political act in line with a straw-man, cartoonish view of left wing politics. It is what it is. It's particularly funny, when viewed from my side of the Atlantic, - where even the American 'Left Wing' would be considered pretty far to the right of centre. The irony though, is that "SJW" isn't actually a pejorative. All three terms in the acronym - 'Social,' 'Justice' and 'Warrior' - are resoundingly positive terms... and they all have defined antonyms. The opposite of an "SJW" would be an "LCC" - a "Lonely Corrupt Coward" - which is a term I'm surprised anyone specifically would want to align themselves with Edited July 28, 2021 by DrBloodmoney 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z1MZUM Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 The opposite of SJW is Theodore Robert Bundy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkrobot_pb Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: Arguments using 'whataboutism' are the most boring pseudo-arguments there are. The fact that there are other things that also need to be addressed to have a big impact on the environment is not a valid reason for not doing one thing. Expecting all-or-nothing approaches is a recipe for 'nothing' every time. I agree up to a certain point, you need to start somewhere or you will never start at all. But it's not like these are things that "we the people" are doing, it's all by the national or local government. They are able to put their focus on specific subjects, to prioritize bigger polluters in their laws and regulations. So when they conveniently gloss over large industries and focus their efforts instead on reasonably small consumer oriented measures, you need to wonder if you're not doing them a huge favour by calling out people on whatabouttism. Because often I feel like they are acting like they care oh so much while doing oh so very little substantial. To be honest, I feel like many of these regulations are mainly meant so we can feel good about ourselves in our own little bubble. A good example is the European regulation that forbids the production of vacuum cleaners over 900W. I bought one of 900W a couple of months ago and I now take twice as long to clean the house than I did with my old 1200W vacuum cleaner. So now I actually use up more energy and the best thing is that dust is still gathering up like crazy. So yay environment and yay health! (And no this isn't just me or bad luck, the EU recently had to forbid the use the energy label of vacuum cleaners because the tests that manufacturers were performing turned out to be highly unrealistic. Of course those kind of tests are already pretty well optimized, but this almost reached "diesel gate" status. It's the only thing the manufacturers could apparently come up with to trick consumers into thinking that this new generation of vacuum cleaners was actually half decent.) Edited July 28, 2021 by pinkrobot_pb 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatertownsFinest Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: Some folks define all people who's opinions deviate from their own as "SJW", because they feel like that forces all counter-opinions into the same neat basket, and that using that term will diminish any counter argument as being simply a hollow political act in line with a straw-man, cartoonish view of left wing politics. It is what it is. It's particularly funny, when viewed from my side of the Atlantic, - where even the American 'Left Wing' would be considered pretty far to the right of centre. The irony though, is that "SJW" isn't actually a pejorative. All three terms in the acronym - 'Social,' 'Justice' and 'Warrior' - are resoundingly positive terms... and they all have defined antonyms. The opposite of an "SJW" would be an "LCC" - a "Lonely Corrupt Coward" - which is a term I'm surprised anyone specifically would want to align themselves with 100% spot on. Just sucks to see people who want to use that as a put down, especially when its something as brain dead obvious as the validity of global warming. I suppose the people throwing around SJW like that would be the exact people to think it was a hoax though ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, pinkrobot_pb said: I agree up to a certain point, you need to start somewhere or you will never start at all. But it's not like these are things that "we the people" are doing, it's all by the national or local government. They are able to put their focus on specific subjects, to prioritize bigger polluters in their laws and regulations. So when they conveniently gloss over large industries and focus their efforts instead on reasonably small consumer oriented measures, you need to wonder if you're not doing them a huge favour by calling out people on whatabouttism. Because often I feel like they are acting like they care oh so much while doing oh so very little substantial. Hey man, I'm with you - we should be holding government to account, and pushing for what we want and to do more - but remember, in politics, and particularly local politics, there is no difference between what government is doing and what "we the people" are doing - "We the People" are the government. If they aren't representing you, then vote them out, and vote for someone who will. It's a slow process, and a bureaucratic one, and one inherently plagued by inertia and corruption and false promises, but it's the best one we've got, so we've got to use it. 10 minutes ago, WatertownsFinest said: 100% spot on. Just sucks to see people who want to use that as a put down. Hell - that's been a problem for decades in US politics - and it's seeped over here too. How many times have you heard people being called 'Liberal', as if the term 'liberal' is somehow inherently a bad thing? Look up the antonyms for liberal sometime - a few from the Merriam-Webster dictionary are: 'Fossil,' 'Fuddy-Duddy,' 'Reactionary,' 'Stick-in-the-Mud'... I've even seen so called left-wing politicians tying themselves in conversational knots trying to avoid using the term to describe themselves - as if the fact that right wingers use it as a truncheon somehow makes it inherently a nasty word ? Edited July 28, 2021 by DrBloodmoney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I was actually referring to California as a whole. I honestly can't blame people for leaving, because right now it is a shithole that is getting worse. Alienware PCs would probably be the last thing on my mind compared to all the other problems that state has. Most people do build-it-yourself PCs anyway, Alienware isn't as popular as it used to be. Sad that a piece of powerful hardware from a company that has been around for a long time is just another conversation of debate. The fact is, global warming is happening now, heat waves are becoming more frequent, people are using a lot more power than they did decades ago. Unbelievable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grunking1212 Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 Social Justice Warrior comments are 100% on the money. Like Greta some think this is a noble cause, and that its a sacrifice worth taking. That phrase is a putdown because we are mocking how SJWs think they are always saving something for society like a warrior when it reality they just mess shit up. Far leftists who are pushing “BLM” in all aspects of society/culture up to the point where we get BLM propaganda messages in Cod MW are many of the same ones pushing for crazy regulations for global warming. Consumers for in multiple US states are being punished now for “environmental progress”. The whatabout arguments are legit because at the end of the day the richest will not change their ways while we will have to. Companies will still massively pollute in China but Americans limiting pc use is necessary. Its hypocrisy and the largest polluters will still do what they do. Also the Daily Mail is definitely sketch but that how most news is nowadays. Everything is very slanted whatever the source is. Look at games journalism even that has become wildly divisive. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rozalia1 Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, DrBloodmoney said: Some folks define all people who's opinions deviate from their own as "SJW", because they feel like that forces all counter-opinions into the same neat basket, and that using that term will diminish any counter argument as being simply a hollow political act in line with a straw-man, cartoonish view of left wing politics. It is what it is. It's particularly funny, when viewed from my side of the Atlantic, - where even the American 'Left Wing' would be considered pretty far to the right of centre. The irony though, is that "SJW" isn't actually a pejorative. All three terms in the acronym - 'Social,' 'Justice' and 'Warrior' - are resoundingly positive terms... and they all have defined antonyms. The opposite of an "SJW" would be an "LCC" - a "Lonely Corrupt Coward" - which is a term I'm surprised anyone specifically would want to align themselves with Culture war thing that. They weren't the ones who "shot first" so remember that as you castigate them. None of this would happen if these largely American lefty types weren't completely insufferable by acting like some Hyper-Moralist Inquisition. Like with Fake News being taken and thrown back at attackers, SJW was a term they used themselves to put themselves above others and it was turned against them. I'm from your side of the Atlantic and that is said often, heck, when I was younger I even would have said it myself I'm sure. You can't really say it today. Americans are perceived as economically insane and heavily corrupt, which sure, still very much a thing (no offense to anyone out there, but that is how you are seen). Socially however while they do still do have right wingers obviously and the State system allows them to have some manner of control in places, the left wing progressive movement is far more left wing socially than anything you'll find in Europe. Britain, the easiest country for America to influence in Europe due to no language barrier, has basically rejected American trans efforts. J.K Rowling in essence came out against it (not even that strongly but whatever) and rather than be "cancelled" in the country, she was labelled a hero from feminist groups to the news media. Meanwhile in France (and some other places) American views on racial issues is used to fustigate the left in those countries not for even following such views, but not condemning them in the harshest terms for being hateful, resentful, and divisive like the right and centrists do. Come now. The nicest thing that can be said about that statement you made there is that it is incredible naive. The words to something being positive in no way means anything. All manners of vile groups call themselves some very nice things, tends to be hard to get support if you call yourself the league of evil or something (not that most people even perceive themselves as being evil/wrong. At most harsh, but needed). The common example today is of course the Democratic People's Republic of Korea which in no way is people's anything nor is it Democratic, not even all of Korea at that so the whole name is a lie. SJWs belong to Progressivism which does this trick in its name too so no surprise so many have this naive view that it having positive words must mean it is on the side of good or whatever. I understand being annoyed at people like @AJ_Radio speaking like this, however you should be able to realise why it happens and that it is a reaction to the same type of talk on the left. You're poking holes at some things he has said but ultimately, is this not a left wing initiative? Don't the people he is speaking out against supportive of these sort of matters? Adiditonally you should realise that nothing happens in a vacuum, there is a tornado of paper cuts that hit people, they don't just go crazy over 1 thing like this happening. As for the news itself. I wouldn't worry too much (though I don't blame people for doing pushback as they should as otherwise people will delude themselves in thinking this is popular) even if California, being so large, is able to spread this to other states as happens sometimes. These are businesses, American ones at that, and they will adapt and get around it. What @RadiantFlamberge posted about regarding motherboards is what instantly came to mind on what they'd do to side step this. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumperklever Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) eh, > random environment regulation gets put into place by a state. > Gave 3 years to implement. > Big company doesn't care. so doesn't implement it. > Big company product gets banned. > People do boohoo and blames the state. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with with this new regulation. But what I do know is that the company could have done something about it and didn't. So they don't deserve to get sold. Every envirmomental change in regulation get a boohoo from the public anyway so this is nothing new. The Netherlands changed the maximum speed on all highways from 130 km/h to 100 km/h. A lot of the highways here were already limited to 100 km/h or 120 km/h anyway. Boohoo form the public all the way. Edited July 28, 2021 by Bumperklever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Abby_TheLastofUs Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Grunking1212 said: Social Justice Warrior comments are 100% on the money. Like Greta some think this is a noble cause, and that its a sacrifice worth taking. That phrase is a putdown because we are mocking how SJWs think they are always saving something for society like a warrior when it reality they just mess shit up. Far leftists who are pushing “BLM” in all aspects of society/culture up to the point where we get BLM propaganda messages in Cod MW are many of the same ones pushing for crazy regulations for global warming. Consumers for in multiple US states are being punished now for “environmental progress”. The whatabout arguments are legit because at the end of the day the richest will not change their ways while we will have to. Companies will still massively pollute in China but Americans limiting pc use is necessary. Its hypocrisy and the largest polluters will still do what they do. Also the Daily Mail is definitely sketch but that how most news is nowadays. Everything is very slanted whatever the source is. Look at games journalism even that has become wildly divisive. What does BLM and COD have to do with California's power consumption regulations? Geez, some of you are just itching to get on your soapbox. ? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_87 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Floorkiller74 said: Why would you think that? Because nowadays if things are boycotted/banned it's because of some sexual scandal. Nevermind. 3 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: Hey man, I'm with you - we should be holding government to account, and pushing for what we want and to do more - but remember, in politics, and particularly local politics, there is no difference between what government is doing and what "we the people" are doing - "We the People" are the government. If they aren't representing you, then vote them out, and vote for someone who will. It's a slow process, and a bureaucratic one, and one inherently plagued by inertia and corruption and false promises, but it's the best one we've got, so we've got to use it. Hell - that's been a problem for decades in US politics - and it's seeped over here too. How many times have you heard people being called 'Liberal', as if the term 'liberal' is somehow inherently a bad thing? Look up the antonyms for liberal sometime - a few from the Merriam-Webster dictionary are: 'Fossil,' 'Fuddy-Duddy,' 'Reactionary,' 'Stick-in-the-Mud'... I've even seen so called left-wing politicians tying themselves in conversational knots trying to avoid using the term to describe themselves - as if the fact that right wingers use it as a truncheon somehow makes it inherently a nasty word ..... why do you have two Steam games on your PSN profile? Edited July 28, 2021 by Lance_87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidou Kuzunoha XIV Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 6 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: Hey man, I'm with you - we should be holding government to account, and pushing for what we want and to do more - but remember, in politics, and particularly local politics, there is no difference between what government is doing and what "we the people" are doing - "We the People" are the government. If they aren't representing you, then vote them out, and vote for someone who will. It's a slow process, and a bureaucratic one, and one inherently plagued by inertia and corruption and false promises, but it's the best one we've got, so we've got to use it. I agree with this in premise, but the problem is that "we the people" all hold different opinions and views, so while some might want X, others might want Y which may impede receiving X and vice versa. And as a result, there's always gonna be some tension, conflicting views and criticisms, though I think that goes without saying anyway. But I think for a lot of people, they just don't really get involved in politics, particularly local politics, either because they don't have the time/energy, don't care, or believe others are better "qualified" or more knowledgeable. As others have pointed out, it doesn't seem like this regulation is anything new, but some people seem unaware of its existence before now, or simply didn't care about it until it affected them. I see this kind of thing happen quite a lot, not just in politics, and it's kinda depressing that a good chunk of people just don't see to care about stuff that could potentially affect them down the line until it hits them in the face. Personally, I find myself often hesitating to vote in much of anything any more since there's so many politicians/parties that seem to support something I agree with, but also support something I'm not exactly keen on, or otherwise just feel like they're full of it, so it sometimes just feels like a catch 22 or a losing battle from the get go; do I vote for this party because they support X but also support Y? Do I vote for this party who seems to support just X but also seems like they could just be pandering to the X crowd for their own benefit?. Dunno if that's a common feeling or not, but I can't blame others for not wanting to get more involved in politics if it is. Anywho, OP topic in general isn't something I hold strong opinions about either way since 1. I'm not American 2. I'm not that into PC gaming and 3. I don't have a lot of knowledge of US politics or the regulations surrounding this, mostly because of the former. But this has been an popcorn worthy interesting thread to read nonetheless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sicho Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 this will sound very condescending but honestly, I don't care The people who claim that whataboutisms are legit or true are, in the best case, ignorant or uninformed or, in the worst case, stupid, evil people that want to push an agenda. Also, there is this little thing called "counterintuitive". And many facts, especially when talking about the environment or climate change, etc. are actually counterintuitive. Counterintuitive means that something is completely different than you might think it is, even though logic seems to indicate that how you think it is, is right. Classic examples are that we burn calories when we sleep or that there are people that like you more when you treat them badly. Intuitively and logically, you would think that treating someone bad makes them hate you but in truth, there are many people where this doesn't apply, thus making this counterintuitive. That's why I said that in the best case, people are simply ignorant and are basing their opinion on things that they intuitively think are right, but actually aren't. Let me give you a good example of what I mean that is in line with the topic at hand: Here in the EU, many people argue that it is bullshit that "everyone" is "attacking" cars for CO2 pollution and climate change when there are for example hundreds of planes in the air every day that, according to their logic and intuition, pollute way more than cars. Therefore, the whataboutism "but what about the planes??" gets used when plans to abolish cars with combustion engines or similar actions are being discussed. But here is the cold hard truth: in the EU, we actually have the stats and the data. And surprisingly (to some), when all the CO2 that gets emitted by traffic in the EU (cars, trains, planes, ships... the whole shebang) gets analyzed, it turns out that of all the CO2 that gets emitted for transportation, 72% are emitted by road traffic (cars and trucks and motorcycles, etc.) and of that 72%, 60% are emitted by cars! And planes/air traffic only contributes to around 13.5% of the whole transportation CO2 emissions! So yes, it may be counterintuitive, but cars, due to their sheer number and daily usage and highly inefficient engines and fuels, emit more CO2 than the whole EU air traffic. So it makes sense to target them first! (I put an image with the source of this information in the following spoilertag) Spoiler And the same is true for many things... lightbulbs were mentioned in this thread. Since switching (by law!) from traditional lightbulbs to LED lights in the EU (in 2013, iirc), the EU was able to save up to around 9 TWh of energy per year - that's the whole energy consumption of a country called Estonia, to put this in perspective. So yes, even these "small" changes on the "consumer-level" can have big impacts. And the same is true for PC Standby regulations - as I already explained in my other post in this thread. This WILL make a difference. The PCs targeted by this are not your self-built gaming PCs - this will mostly affect computers that are used by dozens and hundreds in public spaces like libraries or schools or whatnot. Public establishments need to be compliant. And it will also affect office PCs in companies etc. This WILL lead to PC manufactures and SI's building more energy-efficient PCs in general, which will then have an impact not only in the mentioned states but worldwide. I already did the math in my other post on how much of an impact this can make in one state/grid. It is NOT negligible. Especially when you remind yourself, that we are talking about standby/sleeping states here - states, where the PC is virtually doing NOTHING. So the energy gets used unproductively. As I said in my previous post, the requirements/limits are very reasonable and could realistically even be stricter. It should be possible that a computer - or any other device for that matter - could be in a sleeping or standby state without using much power at all. Currently, a lot of machines are quite literally wasting energy to do nothing. And to go back to the whataboutisms and counterintuitive things... many people (on Twitter etc.) mention electric cars and use stupid sentences like "a Tesla is alright but an Alienware PC is not, even though it uses more energy!!!" ... let me once again explain, why people who claim such things are simply uninformed. The reality is: electric cars actually help SAVE energy and if every car was electric, we would have MORE energy at our disposal than we have right now! Sounds weird? Unlogical? Doesn't make sense? Well, that's why it's called counterintuitive... but it's the truth. Here's why: First, you need to be aware that an electric car doesn't consume energy all day long. If I remember the stats correctly (too lazy to google now), 95% of all the cars are only driven 1-2h per day, and simply stay put the remaining 22 hours. During that time, if the car is plugged into a charger, it charges its battery but it won't draw energy from the plug for the whole 22h. So basically, it is not really consuming energy most of the day. Then you need to know that a lot of renewable energy gets lost every day. Why? Because there are little to no means to store said energy. Renewable energy fluctuates. Sometimes, renewables produce more energy than the grid needs (f.ex. during an extremely windy day) and if that energy cannot be stored anywhere, it gets lost - or not produced, as the wind turbines get locked depending on the load on the grid. Now enter that 95% of electric cars, that stand around all day.. guess what? You can use their battery to save excessive energy. And when the grid needs more power, it takes it back from the cars! Imagine all the cars being electric and plugged in - that's millions and millions of batteries the grid can use to store energy. This is called "Vehicle 2 Grid" and if you want to know more about this, simply google it. The questions you probably have now like "how can I make sure that my car is always charged enough when the grid can take power from it" or "do I get paid if the grid uses my energy" etc. are already answered - but this is out of the scope for this forum post It is quite long already... But that's not even the good part. Vehicle 2 Grid is an "IF" scenario... IF it gets realized and IF people are on board and IF the infrastructure is in place, this COULD be a reality. So let's take about something more tangible that's already true today. Many people forget that producing gasoline or diesel not only needs oil and whatnot... but also huge amounts of energy! And here is the kicker: an electric car consumes less power for a certain mileage than f.ex. a diesel car would. If you speak German you can read more details here https://www.springerprofessional.de/en/elektromobilitaet/dieselmotor/endenergiebezogene-analyse-diesel-versus-elektromobilitaet/16673694 but let me summarize it quickly for you: according to the NEFZ-Cycle, a mid-class diesel car uses up to around 4.5l of diesel for 100km - which is considered to be a very good value. To manufacture said 4.5l of diesel, according to Exxon and this graphic Spoiler uses up around 42kWh. So that's 42kWh of power for 100km on diesel. Even today, a standard mid-class electric car can reach about 200km or more with the same amount of power! Also, be aware, this calculation considers the energy consumption for extraction oil, transporting oil, refining oil, and the transportation of the finished gasoline/diesel to the gas stations BUTthe energy the gas stations themselves consume (pumping the gas into your car) isn't even factored in yet! So in reality, the difference is probably even slightly bigger. That is why electric cars are considered efficient (and the efficiency will only go up!) and why we will even save energy if everybody has an EV. That's one of the reasons why "everyone" is pushing towards EVs (the industry, the politics, etc.) And there are many more good reasons to do so. (local pollution, noise pollution, and many other things to consider like not paying a dictatorship for their oil...) It makes sense and it will make a difference. And just as with this PC stuff, this might feel like it's only a small thing and might not change much and intuitively, makes things maybe even worse? But that's because, in reality, the whole thing is counterintuitive! And many many bright people already thought about a lot of things you don't even think about now way before any of this got pushed. All of the "arguments" many people always come up with (like the energy used to create batteries) have been discussed and basically solved already years ago before it became a public topic. Good night 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Eh, one of the reasons I decided not to upgrade my old gaming PC, and rather stripped the parts and sold it off, was the power usage. Not that I'm not a villain of the environment myself in some ways, this was more about the electric bill... but the big ass PC always seemed excessive cranking all day long. And for what? Playing Rocket League in 8K 120fps? I don't see this as a bad thing. Call me when they start banning consoles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Conor Posted July 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2021 Welp, this was the thread that broke the proverbial camel's back for me; "SJW" no longer has any meaning because now it really definitively appears to mean "everything I don't like" to most people. Also, folks warring over a Daily Fail article? Is this Facebook I've wandered back onto? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_87 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dreakon13 said: Eh, one of the reasons I decided not to upgrade my old gaming PC, and rather stripped the parts and sold it off, was the power usage. Not that I'm not a villain of the environment myself in some ways, this was more about the electric bill... but the big ass PC always seemed excessive cranking all day long. And for what? Playing Rocket League in 8K 120fps? I don't see this as a bad thing. Call me when they start banning consoles. Imagine California banning PS5s. Edited July 29, 2021 by Lance_87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatMuttGuy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 57 minutes ago, Stan Lee said: Welp, this was the thread that broke the proverbial camel's back for me; "SJW" no longer has any meaning because now it really definitively appears to mean "everything I don't like" to most people. Also, folks warring over a Daily Fail article? Is this Facebook I've wandered back onto? I always chuckle to myself when people scream about the ess jay dubyas. It's a catch all term that applies to everything that inconveniences them slightly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Breakingthegreen Posted July 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Lance_87 said: Imagine California banning PS5s. The end of the console wars... Anyway this thread started of dumb as rocks and way to reactionary, good thing folks like @DrBloodmoney , @Abby_TheLastofUs (I know they barely said anything this time but I mean as a trend) and especially @Sicho, (I mean jeez their's was an effing essay) are so articulate and well researched in their points. I'd probably given up on this forum years ago if not for folks like them. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Why are so many people getting so heated about this discussion? Soon you'll be burning more kWH a year than the Alienware PCs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 I think people here got triggered when I said the "SJWs in California are ruining everything" which sparked this entire line of comments saying that people like me throw out SJW for anything that doesn't comply with our viewpoints. Jesus Christ you guys. Did I honestly start a flame war here? Because that's what it seems like to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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