Breakingthegreen Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) As the title states. This was made possible due to a team of fans working on resurrecting the experience over many years. I am unaware if trophies can be earned on it at the moment. But even if they aren't I'm sure someone here gets a kick out of hearing this news. News article below https://mp1st.com/news/playstation-home-is-back-online-this-2021-thanks-to-fans EDIT According to some outlets, the servers aren't online yet such as eurogamer https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-11-25-fans-restore-motorstorm-online-servers-playstation-home-next Edited November 25, 2021 by breakingthegreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) It's likely a closed server so won't be allowed here, plus it's partially from the same people who brought Warhawk and KIllzone 2 back so trophies will almost certainly be disabled. Edited November 25, 2021 by HuntingFever Update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SpaceCoresDad Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 With all these old servers re-opening, I think it might be worth looking at those rules about closed servers again. It's a shame to have these things become available only for it to be useless specifically for the realm of trophy hunting. 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaivRules Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, SpaceCoresDad said: With all these old servers re-opening, I think it might be worth looking at those rules about closed servers again. It's a shame to have these things become available only for it to be useless specifically for the realm of trophy hunting. The rule is that the code that runs these new (“re-opened” is a bit of a misnomer that implies they're officially opened again from the original developer) servers must provide the code online so that anyone can review the code for foul play from a trophy standpoint. You’re saying this rule should be looked at again and fan servers that don’t allow people to see what they’re doing should be allowed, specifically for the sake of obtaining trophies? Edited November 25, 2021 by DaivRules Edited out that people should be concerned about the unknown security of closed source fan servers 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SpaceCoresDad Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, DaivRules said: You’re saying this rule should be looked at again and fan servers that don’t allow people to see what they’re doing should be allowed, specifically for the sake of obtaining trophies? Not necessarily, I just think it's worth another look, you know? Maybe a moderator can check out the source or something and see if everything's legit? I don't have all the answers, I just see a lot of untapped potential here, and it's a shame to have it locked away. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, HuntingFever said: It's likely a closed server so won't be allowed here, plus it's partially from the same people who brought Warhawk and KIllzone 2 back so trophies will almost certainly be disabled. the trophies are not necessarily disabled, they are only in the testing phase and in the future it will be possible to obtain trophies, as I understand it. 11 minutes ago, SpaceCoresDad said: With all these old servers re-opening, I think it might be worth looking at those rules about closed servers again. It's a shame to have these things become available only for it to be useless specifically for the realm of trophy hunting. ultimately, if you really want to play one of these "forbidden" games, do it. don't limit yourself to the rules of the leaderboard, it's not worth anything anymore. this is just personal advice. at some point i plan to play one of these games, and failing to play what i want because of an internet site seems very alienating, i'm starting to wonder about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, kevao97 said: the trophies are not necessarily disabled, they are only in the testing phase and in the future it will be possible to obtain trophies, as I understand it. ultimately, if you really want to play one of these "forbidden" games, do it. don't limit yourself to the rules of the leaderboard, it's not worth anything anymore. this is just personal advice. at some point i plan to play one of these games, and failing to play what i want because of an internet site seems very alienating, i'm starting to wonder about that. Yeah, definitely. I’d just highly recommend playing on an account not tied to your financial information since you’re essentially trusting strangers who will not show what their servers are doing with your information. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DaivRules said: Yeah, definitely. I’d just highly recommend playing on an account not tied to your financial information since you’re essentially trusting strangers who will not show what their servers are doing with your information. This is good advice, though I don't think it should necessarily be a contributing factor in the determination of whether trophies on these servers should be considered 'cheating' or 'illegitimate' vis-a-vis the leaderboard. While I agree entirely with what you are saying as sound advice and good practice for people to take heed of, it isn't really the purview of PSNProfiles to create rules for their leaderboards simply to protect their users from themselves with regards to financial security / privacy issues on the internet at large. In the end, if a trophy can be earned by doing what the trophy requirements are, then I fail to see any real logic in considering them to be 'cheated'. (though, please don't let this turn into a 'Run like the Wind' debate - that one has been litigated so much there is only a vaguely equine skeleton remaining.) In the end, while protecting your financial security is important, and worthy of discussion, the site would never decide to consider a games trophies to be 'illegitimate' if there was a security leak related to those games' official servers - which is not something that is out of the question these days either. Edited November 25, 2021 by DrBloodmoney 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 minute ago, DrBloodmoney said: This is good advice, though I don't think it should necessarily be a contributing factor in the determination of whether trophies on these servers should be considered 'cheating' or 'illegitimate' vis-a-vis the leaderboard. While I agree entirely with what you are saying as sound advice and good practice for people to take heed of, it isn't really the purview of PSNProfiles to create rules for their leaderboards simply to protect their users from themselves with regards to financial security / privacy issues on the internet at large. In the end, if a trophy can be earned by doing what the trophy requirements are, then I fail to see any real logic in considering them to be 'cheated'. (though, please don't let this turn into a 'Run like the Wind' debate - that one has been litigated so much there is only a vaguely equine skeleton remaining.) In the end, while protecting your financial security is important, and worthy of discussion, the site would never decide to consider a games trophies to be 'illegitimate' if there was a security leak related to those games' official servers - which is not something that is out of the question these days either. The financial bit was just my suggestion, and your right, too many people are going to latch on to that bit and miss that actual point that these fans could easily code in instant trophy triggers that are hidden, while allowing people people to also complete the intended actions to unlock trophies. I’ll remove that bit from my original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bumperklever Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, DaivRules said: The rule is that the code that runs these new (“re-opened” is a bit of a misnomer that implies they're officially opened again from the original developer) servers must provide the code online so that anyone can review the code for foul play, both from a trophy standpoint, but ideally from a security standpoint. I think psnp takes can only be based of the trophy part and potentially foul play. Security is an important thing but in the end it's the end users responsibility to know the risk. I wonder if the CRT can work together with PSONE to validate certain servers for trophy Hunting. though they (PSONE) have been picky regarding trophies in the past. In that sense it doesn't have to be open, (what PSONE wants) but also gives enough info on foul play of trophies (what CRT wants) Edited November 25, 2021 by Bumperklever 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DaivRules said: The financial bit was just my suggestion, and your right, too many people are going to latch on to that bit and miss that actual point that these fans could easily code in instant trophy triggers that are hidden, while allowing people people to also complete the intended actions to unlock trophies. That's a fair point - though also worth remembering that that kind of "instant trophy triggers" exist in official games too - albeit accidentally - in the form of dev console access left in the code (Subnautica /Jak II (I think?)/ The Pedestrian - to name but a few) - and those trophies remain 'legitimate' in the eyes of the site - even when use of them is obvious on a profile. Edited November 25, 2021 by DrBloodmoney 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Just now, DrBloodmoney said: That's a fair point - though also worth remembering that that kind of "instant trophy triggers" exist in official games too - albeit accidentally - in the form of dev console access left in the code (Subnautica /Jak II (I think?)/ The Pedestrian - to name but a few) - and those trophies remain 'legitimate' in the eyes of the site - even when use of them is obvious on a profile. Sure. One is from the actual developers and ships in the code with the game, the other isn’t. If the leaderboard starts allowing them from anyone who codes instant trophy unlocks, what’s the difference between a fan server that does it and just using a trophy unlock service/mod menu? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x7251 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 People are trying to bring back MAG as well. Other games that are back online are Killzone 2, and SOCOM Confrontation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DaivRules said: Sure. One is from the actual developers and ships in the code with the game, the other isn’t. If the leaderboard starts allowing them from anyone who codes instant trophy unlocks, what’s the difference between a fan server that does it and just using a trophy unlock service/mod menu? It's bit of grey area, is all I'm saying - I know the idea is essentially, "Official code" vs. "Unofficial code", which feels very cut and dried, but it strays into a lot of muddy water when you start thinking about it in terms of 'legitimacy' of trophy achievement. It's a tricky argument whether a dev console access, accidentally left in an official code, is "legitimate", but a revived server isn't, or where official code is patched, changing trophy requirements by accident or making them unobtainable etc, but 'unofficial' methods exist to downgrade back to the 'trophy achievable' version (I'm thinking of FFXV Comrades, though there are probably others...) I mean, I assume the difference is considered to be 'availability' - official code is available for everyone to use, while unofficial code could be limited to certain people - however, that also gets a little sticky in instances where, say, an official game has an unobtainable trophy at launch, which is later patched to be available. One could argue that that is also not necessarily available to everyone, as it requires that the player access the patch to download it etc. Edited November 25, 2021 by DrBloodmoney 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thMeme Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 It's cool to see fans bringing back servers for these older PS3 games. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaddysWDS Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bumperklever said: I think psnp takes can only be based of the trophy part and potentially foul play. Security is an important thing but in the end it's the end users responsibility to know the risk. I wonder if the CRT can work together with PSONE to validate certain servers for trophy Hunting. though they (PSONE) have been picky regarding trophies in the past. In that sense it doesn't have to be open, (what PSONE wants) but also gives enough info on foul play of trophies (what CRT wants) Let's be honest, if the owner of this site does not even care about his site ... I doubt that he will do something like this, you just have to see how the HusKy user is the one in charge of giving it a little life and maintenance to this site with external tools (as if it hacked) so that we are a little up to date. Edited November 25, 2021 by WaddysWDS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 hours ago, DaivRules said: The rule is that the code that runs these new (“re-opened” is a bit of a misnomer that implies they're officially opened again from the original developer) servers must provide the code online so that anyone can review the code for foul play from a trophy standpoint. You’re saying this rule should be looked at again and fan servers that don’t allow people to see what they’re doing should be allowed, specifically for the sake of obtaining trophies? The what constitutes a flag page probably needs to be updated to reflect the stance on closed source servers, since it has been brought up a lot recently 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Breakingthegreen Posted November 25, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 I think I may have discovered another contentious issue in the trophy hunting community again. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 48 minutes ago, SnowxSakura said: The what constitutes a flag page probably needs to be updated to reflect the stance on closed source servers, since it has been brought up a lot recently I think it’s covered here: Quote Don't modify in-game or server environment. Trophies must be earned in the same manner as when the official servers were online. The method to cover this scenario is currently to be open source so that it can be verified that it accomplishes this. I’d hate to have it updated to an overly prescribed requirement listed if any equally successful method is proposed in the future. It seems that the people that should benefit from an update to the rules are just as likely to only pick out and overt emphasize the parts they want to, such as “trophies must be earned in the same manner…” and ignore the other parts “Don’t modify in-game or server environment.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sendai-Horatio Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Looking at the Home trophy list, it has things tied to purchases. Now I never played Home myself but weren't these DLC that had to be gotten from PSN itself? I'm pretty sure you can't emulate removed DLC from the store in the same way, and Home itself also took into consideration stuff earned from early PS3 games like Uncharted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettyBoy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I hope so. I want to obtain 100% trophies on that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, DaivRules said: I think it’s covered here: The method to cover this scenario is currently to be open source so that it can be verified that it accomplishes this. I’d hate to have it updated to an overly prescribed requirement listed if any equally successful method is proposed in the future. It seems that the people that should benefit from an update to the rules are just as likely to only pick out and overt emphasize the parts they want to, such as “trophies must be earned in the same manner…” and ignore the other parts “Don’t modify in-game or server environment.” Unfortunately due to the lack of it specifically mentioning the terms open source or closed source is not helping things. You still get threads about it on psnprofiles, and I see constant threads on the ps3 subreddit arguing that closed source ones are fine because Sly said in a 2018 post on here that fan servers were fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post diskdocx Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 I would really rather see these games whitelisted. They are old games, dead servers, if someone can revive the servers, lets support that. Given the thousands of games out there, I don't think allowing a few ancient games with restored servers is going to in anyway impact the leaderboards -even if the trophies aren't entirely legit. I've always felt that the rules with Black Ops, (which is entirely out of the players hands if they enter a hacked lobby) are unnecessarily restrictive and punitive. I think this site would be much better if we allowed a little bit of grey. Why not open this up to the community to decide? Could the half dozen or so PS3 games with restored servers be allowed to have trophies earned again, regardless of whether or not the code is open source and legitimacy can be absolutely proven? 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xyleh Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 It'd be nice if the people behind PSOne allowed you to view their source code. Sharing it with the public would not only put lots of people at ease, but potentially spur more members to delve into reviving other dead multiplayer components. The team behind these revived servers need to cooperate more openly with the community and stop being so cryptic about their work. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUDGER666 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Ain't no way i would connect to one of their servers. PS3 is dodgy enough as it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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