Fanatixa1 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, gruffiiti said: Oh nice! Congrats on the plat and I guess I should have checked first before posting. Haha no worries ? Good luck if you’re going for the plat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MidnightDragon Posted April 22, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2022 How do I know the way this month was going to go, I would’ve done some things differently, including waiting to start Chrono Cross… But you can’t turn back the clock. I’m off work all next week, so should be able to make up for lost time. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post willythom88 Posted April 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2022 Okay, so I haven't be crazy productive this month. But I am making progress on my last three (or two of them at least). Legends of Mana - I like this game quite a bit, but I'm getting burnt out on all things Mana. I'm over half way done with the quests, and I've been working on all the grind heavy stuff (produce, filling the encyclopedia, etc). I'd like to be done with this before May but I think it will be a bit after before I am. Little Nightmares - I set this aside for a minute to focus on Legend, which I have, if I do say so myself, done a bad job of. I think this is gonna be an easy enough 100%, aside maybe the 60 minute no death run. I think this or Legend will be my next completion. Final Fantasy X - This is gonna be the last one I work on. I loaded it up today so I'm ready when it's time. This is my favorite Final Fantasy (almsot tied with IX) but I'm very stoked to finally put it to bed. Love seeing everyone else's progress. Since we're about to hit the final month, good luck ya'll! 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StilRh Posted April 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2022 Hi guys. Hope the week has been kind to you. This week I've been I've been mainly commited my gaming time to last weeks spur of the moment Xcom 2 War of the Chosen legendary campaign, I'm doing a lot better than I imagined I would but well aware there are some difficult ramps I've yet to meet (sectopods lol). I also blew the dust off Aliens: Fireteam Elite for one evening to play the new season, it's been lots of fun so far. Having said that I have made some progress in my listed games too! Nier Replicant has seen my finally achieve not only the white flower but also the fishing related trophies. Slowly and aimlessly grinding materials to level up weapons. Very happy to take my time in this gorgeous world so I am part reluctant to complete the boss fights that move things along. Thanks @rjkclarke for the support in my flower hunting Horizon Forbidden West had me complete a few of the midgame progress trophies. It was nice to revisit this world but even after an hour open world fatigue sets in, I find the world maybe too vast or too busy... It feels a bit like a chore list when I look at it. I still enjoyed my time with the game, overall improvements to every system since the first, it just doesn't continue to capture me like the original game did. This week again I am unsure what to play. The weather is warm and I feel quite whimsical. I really want to play Cold Steel 2 but I know I'd have to sit down with a trophy guide infront of me to not miss anything. I really want to see what Muv Luv Alternate has in store for me but I can't be arsed to read and my heart is not ready for the inevitable heart ache the incredible visual novel delivers in spades. I'll probably continue to flitter through my game list but I'm sure I'll play a lot of something. Have a nice week Spoiler Deep Rock Galactic 51% Dying light 2 100% Elden Ring 11% Horizon Forbidden West 34% > 41% Legend of Heroes: Tales of Cold Steel 2 15% Muv-Luv Alternative 20% Nier Replicant 32% > 38% Okami 18% Sakura: Of rice and ruin 100% Undermine 41% 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Static_Rook Posted April 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2022 Using my second swap. Atelier Sophie is out and Samurai Bringer is in. Picked it up today and having fun with it. Should be a relatively quick and easy plat, too. Hopefully I can get it done before Monday. Still plugging away at Necromunda Hired Gun and Katamari Forever as well. Have a good weekend! Updated game list (3/12 complete, 2/2 swaps used) - Atelier Sophie 8% Blue Reflection Second Light 12% Chrono Cross Remaster 0% Elden Ring 12% Katamari Forever 33% Necromunda Hired Gun 85% Othercide 4/8/2022 Outriders 9% Salt and Sanctuary (PS4) 3/26/2022Samurai Bringer 1% SteamWorld Dig (Vita) 15% Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin 3/22/2022 Surviving the Aftermath 4% Swaps Shadow Warrior 3 -> Othercide 4/1/2022 Atelier Sophie -> Samurai Bringer 4/23/2022 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crispy_Oglop Posted April 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2022 Just a quick addition to my list - despite what I said about Doom:Eternal I ended up getting sucked into Dark Souls 2, so i'm adding that one in, This and Lego Star Wars should tide me over until the end of the challenge Divinity: Original Sin GTA V Beyond: Two Souls Dark Souls Remastered Tiny Tina's Wonderlands Ghostwire: Tokyo Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga - 0% > 5% Dark Souls 2 - 10% 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RoastedPeanut Posted April 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2022 Update #6 1. Late Shift (PS4) - 100% March 6 2. Atelier Sophie 2: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Dream (PS4) - 100% April 12 3. Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time (PS3) - 100% April 17 4. Tales From The Borderlands (PS4) - 0% ->> 100% April 24 5. Alice: Madness Returns (PS3) - 46% 6. Star Ocean: The Last Hope International (PS3) 31% 7. Until Dawn (PS4) - 25% Swaps used: 2/2 Games complete: 3/7 Trophies obtained: 200/259 Hey everyone! I hope you're all having an awesome week. I just finished off Tales From The Borderlands. I would have been finished sooner but I kind of got sucked back into platinuming Bloodborne, which I did a few days ago. I would have added it to my list but I only had three trophies left for the plat. Now I'll definitely get back into platinuming Until Dawn and then I fire up Alice before spending a solid month on SO4. Happy hunting, everyone! 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DFuzed Posted April 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2022 Update #7 for April 23rd: Lego Star Wars Clone Wars (PS3) - 80% Guardians of the Galaxy (PS4) Slay The Spire - 26% +7% Life is Strange Remastered - 72% +8% Life is Strange BtS - 0% Ni No Kuni Remastered - 37% +12% Diablo 2 Resurrected - 65% Flowers by Powgi (PS5) - 100% +9% Flowers by Powgi (PS4) - 5% +5% Persona 4 (Vita) - 54% Hades (PS4) - 56% +2% Swaps Used: 2/2 Current plans: - Using Life is Strange Remastered as my backup game, currently on Chapter 4, 10/10 photos - Play Ni No Kuni Remastered, currently in the final dungeon - Play Persona 4, still playing through the first play-through, focusing on getting the True Ending. - Play Hades on the side as I can, trying to get up to level 16 threat. - Play Slay the Spire, trying to clear it with the green character with Level 2 Difficulty - Play Flowers when desperate for daily trophies especially with Ni No Kuni Remastered as my main. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post damcrac5 Posted April 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2022 Update #8 Demon's Souls (EU/PS3) #72 - Adding stacks for regional versions. That's the stage of my trophy hunting. Ain't no scrub plat either. Although the ability to duplicate souls made this much easier. Make yourself severely overpowered/overleveled and have fun working though. The title is obviously very close to the ps5 version outside of graphics. Before you get into it, you would need to spend some time learning about world and character tendency, but I think the PS5 version is the best first entry out of the titles I've played. I only recommend you come back to the ps3 if you already have it, don't have a ps5, or just enjoy these types of games. I've already started my NA stack too. Other Progress: Dark Souls ---> 32% Started Dark souls on PS3. This is a bit more challenging than Demon's Souls if not for a couple of reasons, while there is a way to dupe items on this patched version (not the remastered) The game is not as linear and honestly has tougher non-boss encounters. Either way, I'm hoping that with the item dupes, I'll be able to get the play in no more than 2 playthroughs, with the possibilty of only needing a single playthrough plus some extra for a covenant. I will see how it goes, but this game is my priority for now. Thats it! I've been focusing solely on Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. My PS3 doing some great work. The games run better than I thought, though they are still graphically inferior to their ps4 and ps5 remasters. I'm happy to be adding the stacks, and then switching to a different genre of game. I really should go back and clean up Sly Cooper, and or The Last of Us. However, Arkham Asylum and Uncharted 2 are calling my names, with a hint a Witcher 3! Great games which ever direction I go. Happy hunting! It's late, so I'll be back in the morning to read up on what you all are doing and give you that glorious thumbs up! Completed: 9/25 Control: Ultimate Edition (PS5) Cat Quest 2 Metal Gear Solid 3 (Vita) Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition Salt & Sanctuary (EU) Shadow of the Colossus Untitled Goose Game Elden Ring (PS4) Demon's Souls - EU (PS3) Swap In: 1/2 Tomb Raider Definitive Edition Swap Out: Mortal Shell In Progress/To be started: The Last of Us Remastered ---- 32% Madden NFL 22 (PS4) Batman: Arkham Asylum The Witcher 3 Ghost of Tsushima --- 27% Mass Effect: Andromeda ---20% Cat Quest Uncharted 2 Horizon: Zero Dawn The Last Campfire Life is Strange: True Colors The Wolf Among Us (PS3) Unravel Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time (Vita) inFamous: First Light Mortal Shell Dark Souls (PS3) -- 32% 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post xItsLesterx Posted April 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2022 Update #5 After back to back updates a each from each other, I'm back a month later ? Finally finished Oddworld: Soultstorm. Game was ok. Definitely enjoyed the prequel much more. However, they left it on a cliffhanger so I'm seeing myself possibly getting the sequel, if and when they release it. Up next, it'll be Operation: Tango. - Middle-Earth: Shadow of War (19% => 100%) - My Name is Mayo 2 (0% => 100%) - Oddworld: New N' Tasty (0% => 100%) - Oddworld: Soulstorm (0% => 100%) - Operation: Tango (0%) - Final Fantasy 7 Remake (0%) - Final Fantasy XIII (0%) Shoutout to everyone on their progress. Keep up the great work as we about to head into the last month of the event. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MidnightDragon Posted April 24, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2022 One more week until the summer signups open! 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Heather342 Posted April 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 24, 2022 Update 8 Hi all, hope you've been having a great week ? I started the week by finishing up the hard mode run on Guacamelee. Took about 5 and a half hours to do, which I didn't think was too bad. A couple of the encounters were a bit trickier compared to normal mode, but generally wasn't much of a noticeable difference. I'm continuing to do escape runs from the Underworld in Hades. I'm on about 7 successful runs, I think I need to get to 10 to trigger more of the story beats. This game is a lot of fun, but very easy to pick up and do an escape attempt, interact with the characters to progress the prophecies. Still got a fair way to go, my focus now is mainly to gift out the nectar and increase my bonds with everyone. But due to the RNG, it's difficult to know when characters will show up. I'm hoping it won't take too many escape attempts to complete it ? Other than that, I started Death's Door on Wednesday and I've already done the 100% completion save file. All I have to do now is the umbrella run on a new game. I like the game a lot, the music in it is really good. But I find some of the encounters a bit frustrating (mainly because I suck at dodging ?). I'm hoping the umbrella run won't be too bad now that I know where to go and what to do in each dungeon. Keep up all the great progress everyone! Trophy progress: Guacamelee! - 92 -> 100% Death's Door - 0 -> 91% Hades - 22 -> 42% 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post YaManSmevz Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 Update #6 4/24/22 My name is Chev Chelios... and today is the day that I update. So um, yeah. In all likelihood, I am facing my first incomplete challenge. Which to be real, too bad, so sad, but that's no excuse to not keep it movin along, amirite?? No quittin here. I feel like that song I heard at work way too often when it was new and now hate, "IT ISN'T IN MAH BLLAAAAUUUWWWWDDD!!!" Firstly, I am using my two swaps now - Transistor and My Memory of Us are stepping in for Cities and Yakuza 0, as I need completion for this month and GTA V ain't anywhere near ready yet. Elitist and Masterminds are. fucking. assholes. I expect to have Elitist done soon, but Masterminds? Ugh. That one's gonna be a problem. No matter though, I'm locked in and got the right mindset: That sweet, sweet S Rank for GTA V will be mine. Oh yes. After Transistor and Memory, Res 4 is up next, and I can only hope to have made some progress on FFIX. I just keep telling myself that these challenges are not about perfect completion, it's about making progress!! Bruh. Y'all are animals, you know that, right?? Everybody is takin care of business, and as always I'm just happy to be witness to it. Thanks got reading, thanks for posting, you know how we do? 1. Resident Evil 4 (0%) 2. Grand Theft Auto V (77-->81%) 3. Final Fantasy IX (8%) 4. MLB The Show 20 (44-->65%) 5. Transistor (0-->1%) 6. My Memory of Us (0%) 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DizzyDavidson Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 Update: Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep: A Wonderlands One-shot Adventure [PS4] - 100% Persona 5 Strikers [PS4] - 100% Enslaved: Odyssey to the West [PS3] - 100% Team Sonic Racing [PS4] - 100% The Saboteur [PS3] - 22% -> 43% Life got a bit busy this week but I still made some progress in The Saboteur. I ran into a glitch and almost had to revert to an older save losing a couple of hours of progress but luckily it got sorted out. I almost got all perks now except for 2 that require story progression. I think I can finish the story next week then it's just basically cleaning up the map blowing up various things and stuff. That's it for me. Keep on keeping on! 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post reaperveteran86 Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 Update #8 - Super Neptunia RPG 100% - Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal 100% - Kamen Rider: Memory of Heroez 32% - Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age 17% - Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception 33% - Biomutant 26% 100% - We Happy Few 5% - Valkyria Revolution 100% - Blair Witch 0% -> 100% - The Sojourn 100% - Maitetsu: Pure Station 0% - Trine: Enchanted Edition 100% - Shantae: Risky´s Revenge - Director´s Cut 19% - The Dark Eye: Memoria 100% - Wife Quest 100% - Leisure Suit Larry: Wet Dreams Don´t Dry (EU) 10% - Neptunia x Senran Kagura: Ninja Wars (EU) 22% -> 50% - Record of Lodoss War: Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth (EU) 4% -> 22% I played a bit of Record of Lodoss War: Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth and get the hardest trophy (Bow Training) out of the way, started reading Maitetsu: Pure Station, which isn´t shown in trophy progress, because the first trophy is for finishing the common route and I got the platinum for Blair Witch. Blair Witch Whoever thought it was a good idea to search for 85 collectibles in the woods at night should stand in the corner of a house ruin in the woods as punishment. The game has its atmospheric moments, and reminded me of an first person Alan Wake at times, but the collectibles (that are hard to find, even with a video guide) sucked a lot of this atmosphere out of the game. Storywise it starts ok with an war veteran with ptsd and his therapy dog (Bullet) joining a search for a missing boy in the woods, but soon they find out that there is something supernatural going on.Trophywise, there are a lot of missable ones. The aforementioned collectibles, cryptic conditions to unlock the second ending (but not as cryptic as Layers of Fear from the same developer), a special item that must be collectet in one playthrough but becomes relevant in the next (without the game telling you). 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TalesofGaming Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 Update 8: 1. Horizon Forbidden West - 100% 3/20/22 2. Elden Ring - 28% -> 37% 3. Scarlet Nexus - 51% -> 58% 4. What Remains of Edith Finch - 0% 5. Haven - 0% Finished Scarlet Nexus! It was a fantastic JRPG that even made me tear up a little at the end. I highly recommend it! Now, I'm onto Kasane's route to get a different perspective! Made a lot of progress as well in Elden Ring, got through most of the capital I'd say and finished Volcano Manor. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MidnightDragon Posted April 25, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 18 hours ago, DizzyDavidson said: Update: Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep: A Wonderlands One-shot Adventure [PS4] - 100% Persona 5 Strikers [PS4] - 100% Enslaved: Odyssey to the West [PS3] - 100% Team Sonic Racing [PS4] - 100% The Saboteur [PS3] - 22% -> 43% Life got a bit busy this week but I still made some progress in The Saboteur. I ran into a glitch and almost had to revert to an older save losing a couple of hours of progress but luckily it got sorted out. I almost got all perks now except for 2 that require story progression. I think I can finish the story next week then it's just basically cleaning up the map blowing up various things and stuff. That's it for me. Keep on keeping on! You're still in good shape to finish before the end of May...and you can add a few more if you so desire. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KazaneHime Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/24/2022 at 10:20 AM, Heather342 said: Other than that, I started Death's Door on Wednesday and I've already done the 100% completion save file. All I have to do now is the umbrella run on a new game. I like the game a lot, the music in it is really good. But I find some of the encounters a bit frustrating (mainly because I suck at dodging ?). I'm hoping the umbrella run won't be too bad now that I know where to go and what to do in each dungeon. Dang I love it! I'm so glad other people are playing it. Would highly recommend going through all the dungeons and everything before fighting the big bosses - they aren't required until the very end of the game!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDavidson Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, MidnightDragon said: You're still in good shape to finish before the end of May...and you can add a few more if you so desire. Haha yeah that's the plan tho I don't know what to add yet. I want to knock out my PS3 library by the end of next year but there are other titles I want to play on PS4/Vita too. I guess it all depends how much time I'll have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Static_Rook Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 Update 8 - 4/25/2022 Samurai Bringer 1% 30% So much for beating Samurai Bringer over the weekend. 30% doesn't seem like much, but this is the type of game where you get a bunch of trophies at the beginning and then none for a long time. Then at the end you get a bunch again. I'm getting to the point where the gold trophies will start unlocking so progress will be happening again soon. Still playing Necromunda and Katamari too, but no progress in those. I've hit the point in both where I'm kind of sick of playing them but still have a bunch to do. I know if I stop either of them now I won't get back to them before the challenge is over so I'm trying to hang in there. But I might just jump to something else on the list anyway. Plans for this week are to finish Samurai Bringer and then see what I feel like tackling after that. Take care! Game List (3/12 complete, 2/2 swaps used) Blue Reflection Second Light 12% Chrono Cross Remaster 0% Elden Ring 12% Katamari Forever 33% Necromunda Hired Gun 85% Othercide 4/8/2022 Outriders 9% Salt and Sanctuary (PS4) 3/26/2022 Samurai Bringer 1% 30% SteamWorld Dig (Vita) 15% Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin 3/22/2022 Surviving the Aftermath 4% Swaps Shadow Warrior 3 -> Othercide 4/1/2022 Atelier Sophie -> Samurai Bringer 4/23/2022 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post beerwego Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 Got my first Vita platinum for a year and completed Danganronpa 2 for the third game on my list .Great game if you like this kind of thing .Progressing through A Plague Take and going to add Eventide :Slavic Fable a quick game from PS Now before the cull kicks in , as they seem to be removing quite a few games before the new subscription model kicks in A Plague Tale Innocence 10%....>35% Maneater 83% Plat Far Cry 6... 3%........>5% Danganronpa 2...88%......>100% Shadow Warrior 3....100% Eventide :Slavic Fable ....0% 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post freddie1989 Posted April 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2022 Update! I switched Metro out as once again I haven't gotten round to playing it through this challenge. Added in AC Origins which I am absolutely loving. Just overall really enjoyable so far. The combat is superb, story is good and the change of scenery from previous makes for a nice change. Hoping to make some progress on Medan soon as well as that has stalled. Finally managed to get Far Cry running after the update froze and then killed access to the game so I had to uninstall and start over. Far Cry 6 0% Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts 100% Dishonored Death of an Outsider 100% Fallout 4 4% AC Origins 0% - 14% Man of Medan 44% 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather342 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 9 hours ago, KazaneHime said: Dang I love it! I'm so glad other people are playing it. Would highly recommend going through all the dungeons and everything before fighting the big bosses - they aren't required until the very end of the game!! Thanks ? I saw your post as well about saving all the bosses until the end. It's good to know, as I think I need to upgrade my skills before going into some of those fights ?. I'm up to the inner furnace, hoping to have the game finished in a few days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanatixa1 Posted April 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2022 Hi everyone, Here’s my update for the week. I’ve completed both Life Is Strange: Before The Storm and Route 96. In my memory this prequel for the first Life Is Strange was a lot better. But I didn’t really enjoy it this time. On the other hand I did enjoy Route 96. A Very Strange store that is being told over multiple playthroughs, where you play as different teenagers. In the coming week I plan on completing the Escapist; the Walking Dead, and continue with Crash 4. Have a good week everyone! 1. Cook, Serve, Delicious 3! - 100% 2. A Short Hike - 100% 3. The Pedestrian - 100% 4. Life is Strange Remastered -100% 5. Yoku's Island Express - 100% 6. Planet Coaster - 100% 7. Life is Strange: Before the Storm - 60% —> 100% 8. Horizon Forbidden West - 31% 9. The Escapist; The Walking Dead - 48% 10. Route 96 - 0% —> 100% Swaps: 0/2 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hurricane_Tanya Posted April 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2022 I haven’t updated in a while, it’s been slow going over the Easter holidays as 5 year old has been home wanting the tv, so we’ve been having to share. She’s back at school now though so hopefully gaming time will pick up again soon Update 5: 1. Sly 2: Band of Thieves (42%) >> 100% 2. Spyro 2: Ripto’s Rage (42%) >> 43% 3. A Plague Tale: Innocence (17%) 4. Infamous (84%) >> 100% 5. Bully (100%) 6. Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves (1%) >> 38% >> Nightmares of the Deep (0%) 7. Infamous 2 (0%) 8. A Musical Story (100%) swaps used 1/2 I’ve finally finished inFAMOUS, those blast shards were a pain, it was such a relief when that trophy popped. I also finished Sly 2 over a weekend, there were some annoying missions (Bentley’s helicopter stuff), but I enjoyed it a lot more than the first, and I enjoyed the first one a lot. I think the fact I didn’t need to get all the bottles in every level helped. I also started Sly 3 which doesn’t have any bottles to collect, and also has new characters to play as. I only played for a day, but again, I’m really enjoying it. With that said though, I am going to use my first swap and swap Sly 3 out for Nightmares of the Deep. My under 1 caught chicken pox and is not sleeping so I’m going to swap in an Artifex Mundi game for a nice easy completion. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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