Popular Post Alley_Cat_8633 Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 Steve Saylor says the devs are going to put out an easy mode! https://twitter.com/stevesaylor/status/1492220498910097409?t=zf2xQovbLEyHbLYVm_w_nA&s=19 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanomachy_75 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Alley_Cat_8633 said: Steve Saylor says the devs are going to put out an easy mode! https://twitter.com/stevesaylor/status/1492220498910097409?t=zf2xQovbLEyHbLYVm_w_nA&s=19 Oh god! Not sure how I feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MatThaRiPP3R84 Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 it needs a journalist mode, doubt trophies will be affected they had a clear vision after all. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrophyChief Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 Completion percentage increase incoming. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Studfox Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 On one hand, adding an easier mode opens up the game to the more initially intimidated players and widens your reach. If you want your story to reach more eyes, this seems like a good move On the other hand, building an extremely punishing action game was the main premise of your game. How easy is this new easy mode? If it takes away the edge having to do multiple runs to perfect a level does that take away from the core tenets of the game? 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ImStylinOnYaBro Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 excellent news to see them knock the challenge back. there is no reason for so many people to have to struggle while attempting to participate in their hobby of gaming. 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HoorayForTyler Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, ImStylinOnYaBro said: excellent news to see them knock the challenge back. there is no reason for so many people to have to struggle while attempting to participate in their hobby of gaming. I mean, it’s pretty normal to struggle in a game if the person isn’t used it yet or isn’t good enough to make progress in it. Not every game needs to be made easy for everyone. 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kamurotetsu Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 While also adding an even harder mode. Nobody loses here. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mori Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ImStylinOnYaBro said: excellent news to see them knock the challenge back. there is no reason for so many people to have to struggle while attempting to participate in their hobby of gaming. Why does a hobby need to be easy? Developers had a clear vision of their game being challenging. If people cant handle it, guess what, it is not suited to them. Edited February 12, 2022 by Mori 43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ImStylinOnYaBro Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, HoorayForTyler said: I mean, it’s pretty normal to struggle in a game if the person isn’t used it yet or isn’t good enough to make progress in it. Not every game needs to be made easy for everyone. its like riding a bike without training wheels. an easy mode is like having the ability to put training wheels back on if you are sick of falling on the concrete and getting hurt. its great for any skill level to be able to jump into sifu and whip some ass. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deluziion90 Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 Incoming no age increase accessibility and the plat will be 70%+ ?.. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SajoAtine Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, ImStylinOnYaBro said: its like riding a bike without training wheels. an easy mode is like having the ability to put training wheels back on if you are sick of falling on the concrete and getting hurt. its great for any skill level to be able to jump into sifu and whip some ass. I feel a game that was designed to be about simulating martial arts by nature would require some dedication and commitment, similar to how learning martial arts in the real world is. Now it's going to be a button masher. Just play a dynasty warriors game if you want to "whip some ass". 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Johambubger Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 Easy modes are one of those inexplicable things that makes certain gamers froth at the mouth with rage. More people getting to play through a game that they initially gave up on, or skipped out on buying entirely is good for everyone, in my opinion. The harder modes are still there if someone wants to play them and feel good about themselves. If an easy mode raises the platinum completion percentage in any way, and that's a huge deal to someone, that someone should probably sit down, grow up, and reevaluate the importance they place on percentages in this weird, niche little hobby of ours. 49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) It’s not a difficulty mode, it’s an accessibility option. It’s there to cater to those with additional needs, to allow them to level the playing field, and allow them to enjoy the game on the same level as others. Able-bodied / neurotypical people getting outraged by that, because it could be exploited by other able-bodied / neurotypical people - and therefore affect the precious rarities of their trophies - is the equivalent to complaining about a wheelchair accessible ramp being installed on a building, because some people who could use the stairs, might not. Just take the stairs - and stop spending time fretting over whether everyone else is. Edited February 12, 2022 by DrBloodmoney 93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copanele Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 I mean, if the devs intended the game to have an easy mode... Sure thing! Yes if they gave in to pressure from cetain journalists that can't even hold a controller properly, it can be abit sad, but from what I have seen Sifu doesn't look like the type of game where "no easy mode is the exact purpose of the game", unlike a certain other franchise that still gets people mad and gaming journalists horny for more content ? you know which one I am talking about. Thus being said, you can always record your martial arts mastery on Normal or Hard or Pai Mei level and put it on YouTube and show everyone your Kung Fu level. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ConAir Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, DrBloodmoney said: It’s not a difficulty mode, it’s an accessibility option. It’s there to cater to those with additional needs, to allow them to level the playing field, and allow them to enjoy the game on the same level as others. Able-bodied / neurotypical people getting outraged by that, because it could be exploited by other able-bodied / neurotypical people - and therefore affect the precious rarities of their trophies - is the equivalent to complaining about a wheelchair accessible ramp being installed on a building, because some people who could use the stairs, might not. Just take the stairs - and stop spending time fretting over whether everyone else is. This. SkillUp also mentioned it in his review of the game that a particular group of people couldn't enjoy the game because of the inaccessability. That's something totally different than some other journalist who clearly lacked the skills to beat the game and therefore gave the game a bad review due to this. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mori Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, DrBloodmoney said: It’s not a difficulty mode, it’s an accessibility option. It’s there to cater to those with additional needs, to allow them to level the playing field, and allow them to enjoy the game on the same level as others. Are you talking about instand gratification? Seriously, it is not disabled people who are moaning about Sifu lacking an easy mode. It is people who lack motivation to put any effort whatsoever in a hobby they apparently love and enjoy. Furthermore, are people seriously playing Sifu for its story? I think the main selling point is gameplay. Strip away that or numb it down to literally button smashing or whatever they are going to introduce and what is left? And no, I dont care if it has any influence on my beloved rarity percentages. I just disagree that everything needs to be easy nowadays. I am all for more accessibility for people who have issues due to a disability. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stealthlevel100 Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 I was very scared of the difficulty, might consider playing it now ? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, ConAir said: That's something totally different than some other journalist who clearly lacked the skills to beat the game and therefore gave the game a bad review due to this. I’m seeing a lot of this idea around Sifu in particular - the idea that the negative reviews regarding difficulty are just pique on the reviewer’s parts. That they are just salty because they lack skill… but to be honest, I find those arguments to ring pretty hollow. Not because I have played Sifu (I haven’t yet), but simply because I haven’t seen that be the case elsewhere. Sekiro, Bloodborne, Souls games, Dead Cells, Housemarque games, many roguelikes, … they are all prohibitively difficult games too - and those didn’t get the same criticisms. Gaming journalists are not supposed to represent the best game players - they are meant to speak for the majority… and the fact is, the majority do not see prohibitive difficulty as a virtue in and of itself. It can be a virtue, but it has to serve something else - be it a narrative that supports it, a level of exploration or mystery that it services, etc. When I hear about Sifu getting lower review scores based on its difficulty, my personal take is that I suspect what is really being said is not “this game is too difficult”… …but rather “this game is too difficult, without enough positive feedback or a gameplay enjoyment level to support learning the game to the extent required to support that difficulty.” Still a matter of taste, of course - as all artistic criticism is… … but not an opinion I take issue with a reviewer holding, whether I ultimately end up agreeing with it or not. My two cents, anyways! Edited February 12, 2022 by DrBloodmoney 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleggworth Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: Just take the stairs - and stop spending time fretting over whether everyone else is. Oh god, you opened a can of worms for yourself here ? Edited February 12, 2022 by Cleggworth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Cleggworth said: Oh god, you opened a can of worms for yourself here ? ? You might be right, man - though that's a little depressing if it's the case! You would think that "Everyone play how you want to play, and let everyone else do the same, able bodied or not" shouldn't really be a controversial opinion ? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cleggworth Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: You might be right, man - though that's a little depressing if it's the case! You would think that "Everyone play how you want to play, and let everyone else do the same, able bodied or not" shouldn't really be a controversial opinion Last time there was talk of a stair climbing championship and complaints of there being no ramps in the video ?♂️ I'll say my piece one more time to the people who complain about easy mode. You're claims of 'git gud' boil down to 'get hands that work'. well that's not possible so I'll take devs that give a shit about including me instead thanks 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Mori said: Are you talking about instand gratification? Seriously, it is not disabled people who are moaning about Sifu lacking an easy mode. It is people who lack motivation to put any effort whatsoever in a hobby they apparently love and enjoy. Furthermore, are people seriously playing Sifu for its story? I think the main selling point is gameplay. Strip away that or numb it down to literally button smashing or whatever they are going to introduce and what is left? And no, I dont care if it has any influence on my beloved rarity percentages. I just disagree that everything needs to be easy nowadays. I am all for more accessibility for people who have issues due to a disability. I wasn’t talking about “instant gratification”, no - I was taking about accessibility.. as are the devs, as far as I can tell, since this is described as an ‘accessibility option’, rather than a new ‘difficulty mode’. Personally through - on the “instant gratification” point - I don’t see it as my business to police other people’s gaming. If someone wants to shunt a game down to a level without challenge, then that’s up to them. They paid for the game, they can spoil the experience if they want to - the only person suffering, ultimately, is themselves. I’d also add that, in the case of Sifu, it was my understanding (correct me if I’m wrong on this) that the game could be ‘save-scummed’ to achieve the same result that this accessibility mode enables anyway? If that is the case, then I would argue the only thing the mode bypasses is a bunch of closing/opening of the game, and uploading/downloading of save files for anyone who would use it. I can’t see this having any kind of real impact on the game, if that’s the case. It can already be ‘watered down’ via the back door - this just codifies it with a less awkward method. Edited February 12, 2022 by DrBloodmoney 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: It’s not a difficulty mode, it’s an accessibility option. Well... the tweet states: "- Difficulty Modes. Both easier & harder, similar to Metroid Dread's update." Edited February 12, 2022 by HusKy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 minute ago, HusKy said: Well... the tweet states: "- Difficulty Modes. Both easier & harder, similar to Metroid Dread's update." Yes, sorry - I’m referring to the tweet headline, which states that the things listed below are part of new “accessibility updates” 9 minutes ago, Cleggworth said: Last time there was talk of a stair climbing championship and complaints of there being no ramps in the video ?♂️ Oh - hahaha ? I forgot about that one! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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