Popular Post Valkyre4 Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) I just looked up the Platinum roadmap by Powerpyx and I am absolutely baffled at how exhausting this thing looks... Can someone please explain to me the logic behind making a 150 hour open world game and deciding not only to include missable trophies in it, but also make those trophies so exhausting to acquire? Like there are 15 step instructions for getting a specific missable trophy, things that look so easy to miss. Hell some of them are dependent on dialogue options... Am I the only one who finds this absolutely moronic? This thing practically is asking for you to spoil the entire game, by reading a guide, in order to achieve the platinum in one go... I dont get it. This isnt a 20-30 hour game. I get missable trophies in small/medium sized games. I get that. But doing this in a huge open world game with a ton of content is almost insulting to people who dont have 300 hours lying around to spare. The least you can do is make your trophies as hard as you want, but dont make them frigging missable for crying out loud...! Edited March 2, 2022 by Valkyre4 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JavaNext Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 First Souls game? 287 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaivRules Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, Valkyre4 said: This thing practically is asking for you to spoil the entire game, by reading a guide, in order to achieve the platinum in one go... Maybe they don’t want people to earn the platinum in one play-through? There are millions of players who won’t even try to finish the game, let alone take a peek at a guide. It’s okay if the designers decided not to cater to the small minority of people who play the game concerned about getting all the trophies, without challenge, in one play-through. Just like it’s okay for your personal play style to prefer games that you can earn all the trophies with only one play-through. 79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Valkyre4 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, JavaNext said: First Souls game? Come on... no it is not my first Souls game, hardly. I have played all of them and I have platinum trophies. They werent 150 hour open world games, unless I am having a very sudden Alzheimer's episode... 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 Yeah, totally. Silly Devs! Where was the voice of reason in that meeting, eh?: "We need to make this giant, awesome, mysterious game simpler! We don't want the people who decide to spoil the whole thing by playing with a step-by-step guide in their lap to get sore legs from how much it weighs..." ? Just a hunch, m'dude... but maybe they want people to play the game that they made - the one that is all about discovery and exploration and mystery... ...by, y'know, exploring it, discovering things, and unravelling those mysteries? Have you considered that maybe... you're not supposed to expect the platinum in one playthrough? That maybe sitting and following a guide would be a massive waste of time? I'm not trying to be obtuse or being rhetorical here - I'm really asking. If you are planning on following a guide the whole time, why even bother with playing a Souls game in the first place? With very little effort, you could get like 20-30 other platinums in the time that will will take, even using a guide This one isn't there for a quick fix. It's there for the long-haul. Quick platinums are ten-a-penny, but game that do what this one does, on the scale it does? They are rare, and should be savoured. 65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Caiorossi13 Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 Ng+ won't be 150 hours. You know it, right? 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoesusHCrust Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 Pretty much every ‘proper’ RPG has missable trophies and takes hundreds of hours to plat. These sorts of games aren’t designed to be platted quickly in one go. Several playthroughs and lots of exploration are the order of the day. If you want to do it in one go, you’ll have to follow a guide and spoil the game, but you’re free not to! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Valkyre4 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) Some of these replies I am getting are really making me question things... 8 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: Yeah, totally. Silly Devs! Where was the voice of reason in that meeting, eh?: "We need to make this giant, awesome, mysterious game simpler! We don't want the people who decide to spoil the whole thing by playing with a step-by-step guide in their lap to get sore legs from how much it weighs..." Just a hunch, m'dude... but maybe they want people to play the game that they made - the one that is all about discovery and exploration and mystery... ...by, y'know, exploring it, discovering things, and unravelling those mysteries? Have you considered that maybe... you're not supposed to expect the platinum in one playthrough? That maybe sitting and following a guide would be a massive waste of time? I'm not trying to be obtuse or being rhetorical here - I'm really asking. If you are planning on following a guide the whole time, why even bother with playing a Souls game in the first place? With very little effort, you could get like 20-30 other platinums in the time that will will take, even using a guide This one isn't there for a quick fix. It's there for the long-haul. Quick platinums are ten-a-penny, but game that do what this one does, on the scale it does? They are rare, and should be savoured. Please explain to me "my dude" what part of: "why add missable trophies to a 150hour open world game" equals me asking for a simpler smaller game that requires no exploration??! I love exploration! It is why I am 50 hours in in Horizon at the moment and only at 40% completion. But I dont have to worry about missing a trophy because of a trivial dialogue option, or not doing a specific thing during a specific time and moment. I am not asking for smaller games, I am not asking for easy trophies, I am not asking for quick trophies, I definitely dont want to use guides because I hate spoilers as I mentioned, all I am saying is open world games do not need such pointless missable trophies just to make you replay the game. There is absolutely no reason for their existence. Only out of sheer luck you can get this platinum unless Powerpyx messed up badly in his roadmap. And for the record, cut back a bit the sarcasm and irony... I did not treat you this way and its not cool from you to do so. Edited March 2, 2022 by Valkyre4 41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just now, Valkyre4 said: Some of these replies I am getting are really making me question things... Please explain to me "my dude" what part of: "why add missable trophies to a 150hour open world game" equals me asking for a simpler smaller game that requires no exploration??! I love exploration! It is why I am 50 hours in in Horizon at the moment and only at 40% completion. But I dont have to worry about missing a trophy because of a trivial dialogue option, or not doing a specific thing during a specific time and moment. I am not asking for smaller games, I am not asking for easy trophies, all I am saying is open world games do not need such pointless missable trophies just to make you replay the game. You said you've played all the other Souls games - every one had numerous missable trophies, and they all required at least two or three playthroughs to get everything - I'm not sure why you would expect "Big Souls" to be any different? 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post saiyanbloodstyle Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 Technically non are missable because you require 3 playthroughs anyway, you must know if you've played DS3, these trophies are like that. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sepheroithisgod Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 The game is designed for you to go through multiple playthroughs. There are actually only 5 missable trophies that can easily be cleaned up in the second playthrough if you are aware they exist. You'll be able to just bum rush what you need for trophies, so it's really not a big deal. I do understand not liking missable trophies in a long game, but it's a weird complaint when they expect you to beat it three times. I guarantee you the devs were not thinking that you would save scum the endings to do it in one playthrough. 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Valkyre4 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: You said you've played all the other Souls games - every one had numerous missable trophies, and they all required at least two or three playthroughs to get everything - I'm not sure why you would expect "Big Souls" to be any different? Because I could plat Bloodborne, replay it 4 times or how many it was, all that in less than 150 hours it will take me to fully explore and enjoy Elden Ring. That is why. I get missable in a medium sized game. An open world game is a different thing. Dont know how old you are, but the older you get the harder it is to find free time. I can find 20-30 hours to plat a game like Demon Souls by doing multiple playthroughs. With Elden Ring it gets very difficult. You'll tell me to not bother with the plat. You are kind of right. And I probably wont. But I like trophies like most people here and I specifically want certain games challenging ones even to have the platinum trophy. And I honestly dont get what a missable trophy that revolves around making a dialogue option or killing a specific NPC has anything to add to a trophy list. Give me a challenge or something I get it, but dont just make it so I have to look around for a guide in order not to miss it. Edited March 2, 2022 by Valkyre4 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mega-tallica Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 Another day and another person complaining about missable trophies... Dying Light 2 all over again. Considering most games being released nowadays have incredibly easy trophy lists, it seems it's beginning to spoil people and some people now have the expectation that all games should be equally easy and gift you a platinum just for playing it and when they don't, somehow that means the trophy list is 'bad'. It shouldn't be a requirement for developers to cater their game and trophy list to a relatively small niche of people who only play games for trophies and nothing else. There used to be a time where most games didn't have such easy trophy lists and they actually were a challenge and required a little something called effort. Nowadays, we get games like Horizon 2 that only requires 50% game completion for a platinum. It's become a joke. And this is coming from a guy who only goes for platinum on easy games generally but at least I have the self-awareness of it and don't complain when a trophy list for a game is more difficult than I want. I just don't go for the platinum on those game then, simple, but there still needs to be a place for games with more difficult trophy lists. They shouldn't all be easy and that makes it all the more rewarding if you manage to earn it. 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Valkyre4 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mega-tallica said: Another day and another person complaining about missable trophies... Dying Light 2 all over again. Considering most games being released nowadays have incredibly easy trophy lists, it seems it's beginning to spoil people and some people now have the expectation that all games should be equally easy and gift you a platinum just for playing it and when they don't, somehow that means the trophy list is 'bad'. It shouldn't be a requirement for developers to cater their game and trophy list to a relatively small niche of people who only play games for trophies and nothing else. There used to be a time where most games didn't have such easy trophy lists and they actually were a challenge and required a little something called effort. Nowadays, we get games like Horizon 2 that only requires 50% game completion for a platinum. It's become a joke. And this is coming from a guy who only goes for platinum on easy games generally but at least I have the self-awareness of it and don't complain when a trophy list for a game is more difficult than I want. I just don't go for the platinum on those game then, simple, but there still needs to be a place for games with more difficult trophy lists. They shouldn't all be easy and that makes it all the more rewarding if you manage to earn it. Another day another person who confuses difficult trophies with pointless collectible missable ones. Please explain to me the challenge behind a missable trophy that asks you to do specific things, talks to specific NPCs and pick the right dialogue options to get an item that will net you the All weapons collectible trophy... what exactly is challenging about that? Where is the hard part? Its nothing. Stop confusing challenging trophies (which btw I love) with pointless ones that do nothing but waste time. Did you even read my post or just thought it was cool to throw that comment anyway? Edited March 2, 2022 by Valkyre4 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sir_Bee Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 In your initial post, you asked "Am I the only one who thinks this is moronic" and it sounds like you have gotten your answer. Most people are either ok with this, or at least expected it. Personally, I am not surprised the game was not made to cater to trophy hunters, we are the minority. I know little about the game in question, but you have to ask yourself, maybe the choices made in these trophies meant something to someone on the team, so they wanted to share that adventure with a milestone. You also keep getting hung up on "150 hours" as if that should be the upper bound of the game. Maybe its not a 150 hour platinum, maybe its closer to 250 if you are exploring yourself. Nothing wrong with that either. All that being said, I too tend to look at a guide before I play a game to find out what is missable and what I need to pay attention to, but that is how I choose to play the game, and I can't expect the developers to cater to me and my choices. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Valkyre4 said: Because I could plat Bloodborne, replay it 4 times or how many it was, all that in less than 150 hours it will take me to fully explore and enjoy Elden Ring. That is why. I get missable in a medium sized game. An open world game is a different thing. Dont know how old you are, but the older you get the harder it is to find free time. I can find 20-30 hours to plat a game like Demon Souls by doing multiple playthroughs. With Elden Ring it gets very difficult. You'll tell me to not bother with the plat. You are kind of right. And I probably wont. But I like trophies like most people here and I specifically want certain games challenging ones even to have the platinum trophy. And I honestly dont get what a missable trophy that revolves around making a dialogue option or killing a specific NPC has anything to add to a trophy list. Give me a challenge or something I get it but dont just make it so I have to look around for a guide in order no to miss it. I'm not telling you not to bother with the Platinum - I'm going for the platinum, and I thing Elden Ring is more than good enough to sustain the enormous amount of play that will be required for that journey - I'm just saying not to worry too much about getting it quickly. I think it's going to be a very different overall experience to previous Souls games. Those ones were steep but manageable challenges. This one is a sprawling monster, but much more free and exploratory, and much less 'mainline-able' than those previous ones. I want that plat, but I don't expect to get it quickly, or cleanly, and unlike the previous Souls games, I don't expect to mainline this game all the way to the finish line to the exclusion of all other games. After the initial push, this one will become a background, every second-night kind of experience - one that can be fallen back on, while playing other things, and I think it will be great for that. The platinum will come, eventually, (and it'll be glorious!), but trying to force it to come quickly by referring to guides will just be painful, and in the end, all that will do is blow the experience of a game that is pretty unique... and unusually well suited to long-term play. ps: 20 minutes ago, Valkyre4 said: And for the record, cut back a bit the sarcasm and irony... I did not treat you this way and its not cool from you to do so. I apologise, I wasn't aiming for an attack, just a bit of ribbing - it's in good fun... we're all Tarnished here, and none among us is immune from the odd rant slipping out. Edited March 2, 2022 by DrBloodmoney 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mega-tallica Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Valkyre4 said: Another day another person who confuses difficult trophies with pointless collectible missable ones. Please explain to me the challenge behind a missable trophy that asks you to do specific things, talks to specific NPCs and pick the right dialogue options to get an item that will net you the All weapons collectible trophy... what exactly is challenging about that? Where is the hard part? Its nothing. Stop confusing challenging trophies (which btw I love) with pointless ones that do nothing but waste time. Did you even read my post or just thought it was cool to throw that comment anyway? Because the game is designed for exploration and for you to discover multiple possibilities through multiple playthroughs. Not be rushed through with your hand held with a guide so you can get the platinum as fast as possible. Which you can choose to do if that's how you play games, that's fine, I don't care, but my point is that most people aren't like that and they play games naturally without any hinderance of trophies and some developers have those people in mind and don't just cater to what trophy hunters want all the time nor should they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Valkyre4 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, DrBloodmoney said: I'm not telling you not to bother with the Platinum - I'm going for the platinum, and I thing Elden Ring is more than good enough to sustain the enormous amount of play that will be required for that journey - I'm just saying not to worry too much about getting it quickly. I think it's going to be a very different overall experience to previous Souls games. Those ones were steep but manageable challenges. This one is a sprawling monster, but much more free and exploratory, and much less 'mainline-able' than those previous ones. I want that plat, but I don't expect to get it quickly, or cleanly, and unlike the previous Souls games, I don't expect to mainline this game all the way to the finish line to the exclusion of all other games. After the initial push, this one will become a background, every second-night kind of experience - one that can be fallen back on, while playing other things, and I think it will be great for that. The platinum will come, eventually, (and it'll be glorious!), but trying to force it to come quickly by referring to guides will just be painful, and in the end, all that will do is blow the experience of a game that is pretty unique... and unusually well suited to long-term play. ps: I apologise, I wasn't aiming for an attack, just a bit of ribbing - it's in good fun... we're all Tarnished here, and none among us is immune from the odd rant slipping out. Thank you for giving me a more proper response. Look, like I said, I dont want it to be easy, or to be quick. But man after playing this thing I am sure knowing me it will last for more than 150 hours. I tend to be very meticulous with my playthroughs, especially with games I like. And I will like Elden Ring. But finishing the game and realizing I missed 1 weapon because I did not pick the right dialogue option, well it is annoying having to replay the game to get all weapons... Maybe I will want to replay the game. Quite possibly knowing how much I kept replaying Demon Souls even after I got the platinum. Anyways thanks for your reply. I will probably not go for the platinum. It pains me, because it is one of the games I want to have it complete. But I prefer not spoiling the experience by reading a guide about what I have to do, in what order, what dialogue to pick. I mean I really find it stupid... it almost means that wihtout a guide you just cant get the trophy. PS: Again I want to be clear, because it has happened with other games in the past: if Powerpyx messed up the roadmap maybe all of my rant is pointless... 1 minute ago, mega-tallica said: Because the game is designed for exploration and for you to discover multiple possibilities through multiple playthroughs. Not be rushed through with your hand held with a guide so you can get the platinum as fast as possible. Which you can choose to do if that's how you play games, that's fine, I don't care, but my point is that most people aren't like that and they play games naturally without any hinderance of trophies and some developers have those people in mind and don't just cater to what trophy hunters want all the time nor should they. Dear God... either start reading what I am typing or just dont bother at all. Like... please... stop it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FawltyPowers Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 I know what you're saying, there's a lot of games with missable trophies, personally can't stand it because it means having to look at a guide and potentially spoiling my experience, but would rather do that than add X number of hours. One of those things that you just have to put up with. Unfortunately you aren't going to get much of a positive response when you criticise part of what the franchise is known for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanomachy_75 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Valkyre4 said: I just looked up the Platinum roadmap by Powerpyx and I am absolutely baffled at how exhausting this thing looks... Can someone please explain to me the logic behind making a 150 hour open world game and deciding not only to include missable trophies in it, but also make those trophies so exhausting to acquire? Like there are 15 step instructions for getting a specific missable trophy, things that look so easy to miss. Hell some of them are dependent on dialogue options... Am I the only one who finds this absolutely moronic? This thing practically is asking for you to spoil the entire game, by reading a guide, in order to achieve the platinum in one go... I dont get it. This isnt a 20-30 hour game. I get missable trophies in small/medium sized games. I get that. But doing this in a huge open world game with a ton of content is almost insulting to people who dont have 300 hours lying around to spare. The least you can do is make your trophies as hard as you want, but dont make them frigging missable for crying out loud...! I understand you 100% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mega-tallica Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Valkyre4 said: Dear God... either start reading what I am typing or just dont bother at all. Like... please... stop it. I'm simply echoing what everybody else is saying. That's all. Edited March 2, 2022 by mega-tallica 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodzyna Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 The way Elden Ring is structured is that you basically don't have to replay anything. Outside of the MAIN scenario (and related quests), everything is opened to you from the very, very beginning. In majority of cases, it would be enough to start a new game and just rush to the desired location to kill a monster or complete some quest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyre4 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, rodzyna said: The way Elden Ring is structured is that you basically don't have to replay anything. Outside of the MAIN scenario (and related quests), everything is opened to you from the very, very beginning. In majority of cases, it would be enough to start a new game and just rush to the desired location to kill a monster or complete some quest. If I miss 1 weapon on my thorough playthrough, i will have to replay the game and collect all weapons. That could potentially mean that for 1 single weapon I might have to replay a very big part of the game. Just for that 1 weapon. This is the example I am talking about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just now, Valkyre4 said: If I miss 1 weapon on my thorough playthrough, i will have to replay the game and collect all weapons. That could potentially mean that for 1 single weapon I might have to replay a very big part of the game. Just for that 1 weapon. This is the example I am talking about. I doubt that is actually the case though. Remember- the maps are items, as are the other weapons, so I would assume (given all previous souls games) that they would all carry over. Assuming that is the case, then starting a new playthorugh you could probably just consult a list of all required weapons, identify the exact one you are missing, and head straight to where you get it as soon as you get Torrent again after the tutorial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xyleh Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 And here I thought the best part of a Souls game was getting to discover all the cool shit yourself. Going into Demon's Souls blind was one of my most enjoyable experiences in gaming the past few generations. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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