[Spoilers] Devs: Please don't make a sequel with the same story, Don't become Ubisoft!

[SirDarkStalker 51]

First off I love the game! The art style, the graphics, the gameplay, but not the story!

Story feels really generic, almost same as the first game. I don't care about world's ending. It is a cliche used too many times in different game/movies/books. I care about people. About NPCs. The thing that seems like Guerilla's writers never have heard of. The only interesting part of the game was

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when Aloy and Sylens were talking about maybe "Elisabet Sobeck has been effected by solitude and has done something awful". That was the only time I thought wow maybe they will turn this story into something interesting. Maybe Elisabet is alive and a new villain. But no, the story is too childish and generic with no plot twist and forgettable stupid characters like Zo or Varl (Honestly wtf was that romance for? Zo didn't give two shits when Varl died as much as I could see - compare with death of Vesemir in Wither 3 and the snowball fight)

Guerilla, a piece of advice, u are great, but you seriously need to fire that writers and forget about the whole nemesis thing. We don't want a sequel with the same story again. Don't become Ubisoft, Please!

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[Helyx 8,499]

Maybe I'm just spoiled after the fantastic experience with Ghost of Tsushima, but the story in HFW didn't resonate with me. I'm at the point now (15 hours in?) where I'm just skipping all the dialog and cinematics. The overly dramatic facial expressions are a huge turnoff too.

[SirDarkStalker 51]

9 minutes ago, Helyx said:

Maybe I'm just spoiled after the fantastic experience with Ghost of Tsushima, but the story in HFW didn't resonate with me. I'm at the point now (15 hours in?) where I'm just skipping all the dialog and cinematics. The overly dramatic facial expressions are a huge turnoff too.

NPCs and dialogues are the worst part of the game. I'm a 30 years old gamer, never skipped this many dialogues before. Characters literally answer a yes or no questions with 40 sentences of nonsense crap. 

 

P.S.: in my experience, you should never play two open worlds right consecutively. I think part of my opinion against horizon comes from the fact that I played horizon ZD right after witcher 3. Honestly, u should play no rpgs after Witcher 3. That game was damn near perfect. 

[snakebit10 9,730]

Hate to tell you, but it is already planned as a trilogy.

 

I think it's fantastic and the story has me roped in. Nearing the end and want to see where it goes from here.

[SirDarkStalker 51]

1 hour ago, snakebit10 said:

Hate to tell you, but it is already planned as a trilogy.

 

I think it's fantastic and the story has me roped in. Nearing the end and want to see where it goes from here.

Plz let me know if ur opinion changed after the ending

[Infected Elite 7,109]

10 minutes ago, SirDarkStalker said:

Plz let me know if ur opinion changed after the ending

 

Well everyone thinks the game world can't be futuristic, but really, its the future the entire time. Ending was great. Can't wait for the 3rd. 

[Janire1911 580]

Unfortunately I have to admit that the story was a disappointment for me too. I absolutely loved the story in HZD where you slowly discover your origins and the truth behind Zero Dawn. It felt unique and personal while the story in HFW feels generic and too 'science-fictiony'.

 

In purely technical terms HFW is much improved over HZD but I still like the first game more.

[DarkHpokinsn 1,195]

It was great, the writers wrote a good story here, hopefully they don’t listen to any of you people, because Nemesis is a cool concept, and I wanna see how they end this story.

4 hours ago, Janire1911 said:

Unfortunately I have to admit that the story was a disappointment for me too. I absolutely loved the story in HZD where you slowly discover your origins and the truth behind Zero Dawn. It felt unique and personal while the story in HFW feels generic and too 'science-fictiony'.

 

In purely technical terms HFW is much improved over HZD but I still like the first game more.

It feels pretty unique to me. 

12 hours ago, Infected Elite said:

 

Well everyone thinks the game world can't be futuristic, but really, its the future the entire time. Ending was great. Can't wait for the 3rd. 

Me too, not sure what all these clowns in the thread are talking about. 

21 hours ago, SirDarkStalker said:

NPCs and dialogues are the worst part of the game. I'm a 30 years old gamer, never skipped this many dialogues before. Characters literally answer a yes or no questions with 40 sentences of nonsense crap. 

 

P.S.: in my experience, you should never play two open worlds right consecutively. I think part of my opinion against horizon comes from the fact that I played horizon ZD right after witcher 3. Honestly, u should play no rpgs after Witcher 3. That game was damn near perfect. 

I can’t believe you would say that, when the NPCs are far better in this game then the first. They have to give explanations to things somehow, do you want them to just say nothing and never explain anything? Lol Witcher 3 is so overrated, couldn’t even finish it.

12 hours ago, SirDarkStalker said:

Plz let me know if ur opinion changed after the ending

I don’t know about him, but I’m even more hyped for the next game after this.

22 hours ago, SirDarkStalker said:

First off I love the game! The art style, the graphics, the gameplay, but not the story!

Story feels really generic, almost same as the first game. I don't care about world's ending. It is a cliche used too many times in different game/movies/books. I care about people. About NPCs. The thing that seems like Guerilla's writers never have heard of. The only interesting part of the game was

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when Aloy and Sylens were talking about maybe "Elisabet Sobeck has been effected by solitude and has done something awful". That was the only time I thought wow maybe they will turn this story into something interesting. Maybe Elisabet is alive and a new villain. But no, the story is too childish and generic with no plot twist and forgettable stupid characters like Zo or Varl (Honestly wtf was that romance for? Zo didn't give two shits when Varl died as much as I could see - compare with death of Vesemir in Wither 3 and the snowball fight)

Guerilla, a piece of advice, u are great, but you seriously need to fire that writers and forget about the whole nemesis thing. We don't want a sequel with the same story again. Don't become Ubisoft, Please!

It isn’t the same story at all, nothing like a Ubisoft game, I don’t get that criticism. why the fuck would they establish Nemesis and just drop it in the next game, that would be terrible writing, to establish something and never come back to it?

Edited March 9 by Parker

[boorish_brute 102]

As much as I loved this game, the ending was pretty disappointing. There is still room for the Nemisis thing being cool which seems to be an amalgamation of human traits(?!), as if the internet being sentient. But I don't know how much they are going to delve into it. There is also a possibility of it being a rehashed version of Hades. Big Red Orb thing takes over Hephaestus and Aloy destroys it.

 

Still what makes the game is excellent is the world and tribes. A small thread of why I love the world of Horizon so much.

 

 

[OmegaRejectz 782]

20 hours ago, Helyx said:

Maybe I'm just spoiled after the fantastic experience with Ghost of Tsushima, but the story in HFW didn't resonate with me. I'm at the point now (15 hours in?) where I'm just skipping all the dialog and cinematics. The overly dramatic facial expressions are a huge turnoff too.

That's how my experience with HZD went, the 14 hours I played it I skipped every bit of dialogue and cutscene because it was unbearable.

37 minutes ago, DarkHpokinsn said:

I can’t believe you would say that, when the NPCs are far better in this game then the first. They have to give explanations to things somehow, do you want them to just say nothing and never explain anything? Lol Witcher 3 is so overrated, couldn’t even finish it.

When people say that the dialogue/RPG elements of HZD are awful, then choosing to compare anything to that isn't a very great argument. You're literally looking down at the bottom of the barrel for things to compare it to.

 

How's Witcher 3 overrated?

[DarkHpokinsn 1,195]

13 minutes ago, OmegaRejectz said:

That's how my experience with HZD went, the 14 hours I played it I skipped every bit of dialogue and cutscene because it was unbearable.

When people say that the dialogue/RPG elements of HZD are awful, then choosing to compare anything to that isn't a very great argument. You're literally looking down at the bottom of the barrel for things to compare it to.

 

How's Witcher 3 overrated?

Why the hell would you even play Horizon if you’re just gonna skip everything? That’s a terrible way to play the game. Also pretty dumb. Cutscenes and dialogue are great in this series, maybe it’s you with the bad taste? I couldn’t even finish Witcher 3 because it was so boring, I think the original and the sequel for Horizon is better in every way. It’s extremely dumb that you skipped everything. Talk about ignoring the most important part of the experience.

Edited March 9 by DarkHpokinsn

[SirDarkStalker 51]

1 hour ago, DarkHpokinsn said:

It was great, the writers wrote a good story here, hopefully they don’t listen to any of you people, because Nemesis is a cool concept, and I wanna see how they end this story.

It feels pretty unique to me. 

Me too, not sure what all these clowns in the thread are talking about. 

I can’t believe you would say that, when the NPCs are far better in this game then the first. They have to give explanations to things somehow, do you want them to just say nothing and never explain anything? Lol Witcher 3 is so overrated, couldn’t even finish it.

I don’t know about him, but I’m even more hyped for the next game after this.

It isn’t the same story at all, nothing like a Ubisoft game, I don’t get that criticism. why the fuck would they establish Nemesis and just drop it in the next game, that would be terrible writing, to establish something and never come back to it?

First of all, It's not a good thing to call others clowns. 

The concept of the world being in danger by a mass destruction and a hero saves the world is new to you? You must be exactly 2 years old. 

"Witcher 3 is overrated?" The game got about 250 GOTY awards and even then, many people including myself believe it was underrated and under-appreciated.

 

About the nemesis, I believe they shouldn't have introduced nemesis. What do you think the nemesis is? Something like hades, Hephaestus, some other AI. What will be different? Same thing over and over again. It's just a name. Ok, I get it it's very evil so what? It's just the same story. Aloy has to defeat a villain AI. 

Now they have introduced nemesis, at least turn things around somehow. I don't know form an alliance with nemesis, include a personal Aloy stuff like love or revenge, make elisabeth villain or something, just for the love of god STOP BEING GENERIC 

1 hour ago, boorish_brute said:

As much as I loved this game, the ending was pretty disappointing. There is still room for the Nemisis thing being cool which seems to be an amalgamation of human traits(?!), as if the internet being sentient. But I don't know how much they are going to delve into it. There is also a possibility of it being a rehashed version of Hades.

Exactly! Nemesis will be just another AI. You will see it two times in the game. Introduction, and last mission where you have to override it using a device you made during last 2-3 missions. 

This is why I say enough is enough. World saving is enough.

Edited March 9 by Parker

[Parker 12,112]

Guys, please stay on topic and stop with the personal insults. It is okay for someone to have differing opinions, it is not okay to insult people because they have differing opinions.

 

 

Parker

[Desmuria 950]

Coming from someone who thoroughly enjoyed HZD's story to the point where it lived in my head rent-free until HFW was released, I found myself wanting more after finishing HFW. That is not to say that I didn't enjoy the game. HFW is a fantastic sequel! I spent 50+ hours with it and I relished every moment of it. It felt so good to be back in the world with Aloy and exploring previously unknown lands, especially the whole Las Vegas sequence!

 

There are a number of small things that I wasn't particularly happy with, which I'll spoiler tag for anyone who's still making their way through the story.

 

Nemesis

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I feel that Nemesis is just a continuation of the same (and I hope the developers prove me wrong). In HZD, we had the threat of Hades and we had to take on that massive machine (was it Deathbringer?) Then in HFW, Hades is so easily manipulated by Sylens into giving him information, it made me wonder why he was such a threat in the first place? So, of course, they needed something bigger and better than that, so they introduced Far Zenith and the Specter Prime. Once you defeat them, you find out there is something even bigger coming that totally devalues their worth as well. To me, it just feels like each game is just going to make a bigger threat and, right now, I'm not even sure how Aloy et al can even stop something like Nemesis if technologically advanced people like Far Zenith couldn't? Maybe I'm being too skeptical about it. For the record, this doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to the third game. I'm actually intrigued to see where they take the story and how they're going to navigate this clearly huge, life-threatening, world-destroying threat with inferior technology. It's gonna be spicy!

 

Beta

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I might be alone here but I really did not like her as a character and I found her rather redundant. I understand why Far Zenith created an Elisabet Sobeck clone for themselves, but using her as a plot device later in the game to show that she's not a 'true' likeness to Elisabet, more of a defect version of her, signaling Aloy as a more accurate representation of her just seemed a little shallow to me. Let's not even mention the fact that you can have a romance with Beta after Aloy had previously referred to her as her 'sister'. Whatever floats your boat, I guess!

 

Ted Faro

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The entirety of the Thebes section of the game felt a little filler-y to me and I genuinely feel they missed a huge opportunity by hiding what Ted Faro had become. You don't see him! He's hidden behind a wall and then set on fire. I'm definitely a 'show, don't tell' person and I'd feel that it would've been a better pay-off had we actually seen what he did to himself, especially after a 30 minute sequence. I felt deeply disappointed that Aloy didn't have the opportunity to confront him, as her feud with him is definitely personal now that we know that Aloy is an Elisabet Sobeck clone. Imagine the possibilites of him seeing Aloy and thinking she's Elisabet, seeing her again for the first time in hundreds/thousands of years?! To have Ceo, a really minor (and annoying) character destroy Ted Faro felt like a huge waste. I didn't even want a fight scene with him (or that would've been too Resident Evil-esque, considering his mutations) but just a short cutscene would've sufficed. Personal opinion: they dropped the ball a little, especially after making Thebes an entire chapter in the game.

 

Again, to be absolutely clear, I'm not dumping on the game at all. I loved it. I'm excited for the third one and I'm interested to see what they do with Nemesis!

Obviously this discussion is mostly about Nemesis, but I'd love to see opinions about Beta/Ted and their arcs in the story and whether I'm being too critical or not. I'm intrigued to know!

Edited March 9 by Desmuria

[SirDarkStalker 51]

10 minutes ago, Desmuria said:

Coming from someone who thoroughly enjoyed HZD's story to the point where it lived in my head rent-free until HFW was released, I found myself wanting more after finishing HFW. That is not to say that I didn't enjoy the game. HFW is a fantastic sequel! I spent 50+ hours with it and I relished every moment of it. It felt so good to be back in the world with Aloy and exploring previously unknown lands, especially the whole Las Vegas sequence!

 

There are a number of small things that I wasn't particularly happy with, which I'll spoiler tag for anyone who's still making their way through the story.

 

Nemesis

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I feel that Nemesis is just a continuation of the same (and I hope the developers prove me wrong). In HZD, we had the threat of Hades and we had to take on that massive machine (was it Deathbringer?) Then in HFW, Hades is so easily manipulated by Sylens into giving him information, it made me wonder why he was such a threat in the first place? So, of course, they needed something bigger and better than that, so they introduced Far Zenith and the Specter Prime. Once you defeat them, you find out there something even bigger coming that totally devalues their worth as well. To me, it just feels like each game is just going to make a bigger threat and, right now, I'm not even sure how Aloy et al can even stop something like Nemesis if technologically advanced people like Far Zenith couldn't? Maybe I'm being too skeptical about it. For the record, this doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to the third game. I'm actually intrigued to see where they take the story and how they're going to navigate this clearly huge, life-threatening, world-destroying threat with inferior technology. It's gonna be spicy!

 

Beta

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I might be alone here but I really did not like her as a character and I found her rather redundant. I understand why Far Zenith created an Elisabet Sobeck clone for themselves, but using her as a plot device later in the game to show that she's not a 'true' likeness to Elisabet, more of a defect version of her, signaling Aloy as a more accurate representation of her just seemed a little shallow to me. Let's not even mention the fact that you can have a romance with Beta after Aloy had previously referred to her as her 'sister'. Whatever floats your boat, I guess!

 

Ted Faro

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The entirety of the Thebes section of the game felt a little filler-y to me and I genuinely feel they missed a huge opportunity by hiding what Ted Faro had become. You don't see him! He's hidden behind a wall and then set on fire. I'm definitely a 'show, don't tell' person and I'd feel that it would've been a better pay-off had we actually seen what he did to himself, especially after a 30 minute sequence. I felt deeply disappointed that Aloy didn't have the opportunity to confront him, as her feud with him is definitely personal now that we know that Aloy is an Elisabet Sobeck clone. Imagine the possibilites of him seeing Aloy and thinking she's Elisabet, seeing her again for the first time in hundreds/thousands of years?! To have Ceo, a really minor (and annoying) character destroy Ted Faro felt like a huge waste. I didn't even want a fight scene with him (or that would've been too Resident Evil-esque, considering his mutations) but just a short cutscene would've sufficed. Personal opinion: they dropped the ball a little, especially after making Thebes an entire chapter in the game.

 

Again, to be absolutely clear, I'm not dumping on the game at all. I loved it. I'm excited for the third one and I'm interested to see what they do with Nemesis!

Obviously this discussion is mostly about Nemesis, but I'd love to see opinions about Beta/Ted and their arcs in the story and whether I'm being too critical or not. I'm intrigued to know!

You can have a romance with beta? How?

I agree with most of your points. But I think I have had enough of this world saving thing. If the next game is about fighting nemesis I won't buy it. And also not showing Ted Faro, I really hated that. We are not 5 years old kids. Let us see the damn thing.  One more reason the story feels childish.  

[Desmuria 950]

25 minutes ago, SirDarkStalker said:

You can have a romance with beta? How?

 

Okay, maybe I misinterpreted what the 'flashpoints' were all about. I always chose the brain option because I wanted Aloy not to be romantically involved with anyone.

I was under the impression that the heart options implied a more loving tone to her responses and, having not seen their outcomes, I assumed that's what the implications were. I stand corrected!

 

25 minutes ago, SirDarkStalker said:

And also not showing Ted Faro, I really hated that. We are not 5 years old kids. Let us see the damn thing.  One more reason the story feels childish.  

 

I don't think it was a childish move not to show him.

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They obviously wanted to have Ted Faro's mutations up to interpretation and, in some ways, it works. However, from a story standpoint (plus, the fact that they made the Thebes thing a central plot point), I felt that they could have given us a lot more than they did. Considering the fact that he was one of the main antagonists from HZD, it felt pretty disappointing (not) to see him go up in flames without any kind of remorse or comeuppance at the hands of Aloy.

 

25 minutes ago, SirDarkStalker said:

If the next game is about fighting nemesis I won't buy it.

 

I really don't know where they're going to go with the story. If it does turn out to be a generic "this enemy is bigger than the last, so you need to fight it" thing, I'll still buy the game and appreciate it for what it is. However, after making such amazing plot choices in HZD, I think they can really do something special if they try. I can't wait!

Edited March 9 by Desmuria

[mega-tallica 329]

2 hours ago, SirDarkStalker said:

First of all, It's not a good thing to call others clowns. 

The concept of the world being in danger by a mass destruction and a hero saves the world is new to you? You must be exactly 2 years old. 

"Witcher 3 is overrated?" The game got about 250 GOTY awards and even then, many people including myself believe it was underrated and under-appreciated.

 

About the nemesis, I believe they shouldn't have introduced nemesis. What do you think the nemesis is? Something like hades, Hephaestus, some other AI. What will be different? Same thing over and over again. It's just a name. Ok, I get it it's very evil so what? It's just the same story. Aloy has to defeat a villain AI. 

Now they have introduced nemesis, at least turn things around somehow. I don't know form an alliance with nemesis, include a personal Aloy stuff like love or revenge, make elisabeth villain or something, just for the love of god STOP BEING GENERIC 

Exactly! Nemesis will be just another AI. You will see it two times in the game. Introduction, and last mission where you have to override it using a device you made during last 2-3 missions. 

This is why I say enough is enough. World saving is enough.

 

Just report him and move on. It seems it's his mission in life currently to attack anybody who doesn't like this game as much as he does. He doesn't seem to understand that people are allowed to have different opinions and he's obviously not mature enough yet to handle differing opinions without resorting to name-calling and baseless insults. 

[boorish_brute 102]

1 hour ago, SirDarkStalker said:

If the next game is about fighting nemesis I won't buy it.

Well the gameplay is still going to be Aloy vs machines, and Hephaestus escaped, so Nemesis will be controlling him in the next one. Unless Aloy is going to space and fighting other kind of machines.

[snakebit10 9,730]

On 3/9/2022 at 2:54 AM, SirDarkStalker said:

Plz let me know if ur opinion changed after the ending

 

My opinion has not changed. With that ending it has me excited to see what they do in the next game. I thought it was a perfect ending. 

 

 

[ArtMontef 556]

Has anything in the game ever explained how Zeniths are flying in the air? Or are we just supposed to believe they are DragonBall/Marvel superheroes flying around with no explanation? 

 

Also Zeniths are a caricature with quotes "squash that bug" or how fun it will be to kill people. These characters are so super shallow...

[SirDarkStalker 51]

6 hours ago, ArtMontef said:

Has anything in the game ever explained how Zeniths are flying in the air? Or are we just supposed to believe they are DragonBall/Marvel superheroes flying around with no explanation? 

 

Also Zeniths are a caricature with quotes "squash that bug" or how fun it will be to kill people. These characters are so super shallow...

Tilda, Gerard, Eric, etc. all so forgettable and unimportant. That's why I believe they should fire that writers

[TuomasH92 102]

On 9.3.2022 at 0:29 AM, SirDarkStalker said:

NPCs and dialogues are the worst part of the game. I'm a 30 years old gamer, never skipped this many dialogues before. Characters literally answer a yes or no questions with 40 sentences of nonsense crap. 

 

P.S.: in my experience, you should never play two open worlds right consecutively. I think part of my opinion against horizon comes from the fact that I played horizon ZD right after witcher 3. Honestly, u should play no rpgs after Witcher 3. That game was damn near perfect. 

Haven't played FW, but i had the same issue on ZD.

I usually don't skip anything on AA-AAA games, but sometimes the dialogues just were too long and boring, but maybe it just felt like that, because i wasn't very interested of the story anyway, especially before half or 2/3 part of the game.

Overall a great game, but story, some of the characters and dialogues could've been better. 

 

Not sure am i going to buy FW, because i've heard the dialogues are long and story is very slow paced, so idk if i have patience and interest for another very similar story...

The Witcher 3 is still my favourite RPG.

Edited March 13 by TuomasH92

[Valkirye22 693]

On 3/8/2022 at 10:09 PM, SirDarkStalker said:

First off I love the game! The art style, the graphics, the gameplay, but not the story!

Story feels really generic, almost same as the first game. I don't care about world's ending. It is a cliche used too many times in different game/movies/books. I care about people. About NPCs. The thing that seems like Guerilla's writers never have heard of. The only interesting part of the game was

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when Aloy and Sylens were talking about maybe "Elisabet Sobeck has been effected by solitude and has done something awful". That was the only time I thought wow maybe they will turn this story into something interesting. Maybe Elisabet is alive and a new villain. But no, the story is too childish and generic with no plot twist and forgettable stupid characters like Zo or Varl (Honestly wtf was that romance for? Zo didn't give two shits when Varl died as much as I could see - compare with death of Vesemir in Wither 3 and the snowball fight)

Guerilla, a piece of advice, u are great, but you seriously need to fire that writers and forget about the whole nemesis thing. We don't want a sequel with the same story again. Don't become Ubisoft, Please!

 

OP I think you just don't enjoy the game THAT much, and that is ok.

 

This IS ultimately 'another' story of a destroyed world, a very original one if I might so suggest. I certainly disagree when it comes to NPC's, I would argue the true focus and overall a 'larger-than-life' presence in Aloy and she is incredibly well done (subjective). And NPCs being far from forgettable but not necessarily even being (bar a few) so integral to the story. I don't think anyone expected Joel from TLOU in Dakka or the Illusive Man from ME in Regalla. And Nemesis is the big unknown terror your terrible current enemy that is superior and invulnerable through most of the game feared so much - and started the whole thing.

 

What I really don't think is fair is the "fire the writers rant/part" or comparing Guerrilla to the company that made Far Cry 3 15 different times and AC 19 times. With a dash of slapping Tom Clancy to probably the office Microwave at this point.

 

Guerrilla created an incredible original open world that is truly magnificent to take in - from the ancient battlegrounds to former bastions of humanity (lighting up LV is probably top 10 moments I ever had in 20 years of gaming). It is their idea, their effort, their vision we should respect and I believe they achieved enough to trust this trilogy make it among the highlights of gaming as fair as the Witcher you mentioned and other have before.

[Skurkitty 424]

Just 100% the game, did everything beyond the trophies, all on Very Hard with an end playtime of 76 & 1/2hrs. I'll admit getting back into it took a good amount of time, the gap between 1 and 2 was wide and mentally I had quite a bit to remember. So it took me around 6-7hrs to get passed the dry spell. Overall I loved it, I have nothing major to complain about like the OP here. I always assumed the game would be a trilogy and I think the storytelling is very well done. I'm someone who loves and appreciates heavy dialog and lore, so the excessive talking in a story telling game... seems like a stupid complaint honestly. I also really loved how Aloy wasn't alone here, she built a family and shared her burden. I enjoyed the presence of all the side characters, and I hope they grow on that even more in the 3rd game. The base concept is something I appreciate in ANY game. Erend best side man. 😎

 

This IP is gorgeous, original, and insanely well crafted. Sure it's not perfect, nothing ever is or ever will be. But for me, I haven't felt this refreshed about a sequel (and coming trilogy) since Mass Effect. Bravo Guerilla, bravo.

 

Edited March 15 by Skurkitty

[Zephrese 561]

I've put over 30 hours into the game so far, and - while I have issues with the game as a whole, story included - I haven't really noticed anything too similar to ZD's plot.

The only thing that really stood out to me as noticeably similar to the first game's story is Regalla's rebellion, which even then felt appropriate given her past with the Carja.

 

Also...

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Of course Nemesis is going to be similar to Hades as they're both rampant AIs, and Hades' whole malicious existence separated from Gaia was Nemesis' doing.

Hades in many ways could be considered as an extension and foreshadowing of Nemesis at this point, especially since we've always been aware he had a "master".

I'd imagine - given the context behind Nemesis' creation and "corruption" - that it'll be more emotionally driven by hatred rather than purely by orders like Hades was.

Since it's the master and not the servant, I'd imagine its behavior would only be similar to Hades to an extent. (Largely due to following no orders other than its own)

 

Obviously we'll have to wait to see how things play out before we can say anything for certain, but to me this comparison seems premature and otherwise pointless.

The threat from ZD never ended and that was made perfectly clear because Hades was always a pawn, so of course the "world is ending" bit is going to continue as well.

 

Disliking the story in of itself is one thing and is perfectly acceptable, mind you, as I have issues with it myself. (i.e I'm conflicted about Faro and what I wanted out of that scene)

But to me a lot of these complaints sound like hyperbole from someone who didn't pay close enough attention to either games' story, or didn't care to do so to begin with.

 

Additionally, how would "evil" Sobeck be any less generic and cheesy than some of the things you're complaining about?

That sounds like something I'd read in a bad fan-fiction, and yet you're still arguing that Guerrilla should fire their writers after suggesting that of all things?

 

This is a series whose entire storyline and universe is founded upon the idea of rampant AIs created by humanity's arrogance bringing about extinction.

So with that in mind - and the numerous things set up by the first game - it sounds like you set yourself up for disappointment rather than it being entirely the game's own fault.

 

Edited March 20 by Zephrese