LegendExeter Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I wanted to check and see if anyone else got this gaming news? If so have you had a chance to read, and your thoughts on what Pachter said in regard to the playstation being doomed from console wars buying up exclusive studios. https://www.gamereactor.eu/pachter-playstation-is-doomed-and-will-cease-to-exist-in-ten-years/#:~:text="I think Playstation is doomed,have no chance of competing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sendai-Horatio Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 This doesn't sound credible and it looks like it was done on an Xbox channel. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aZombieDictator Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 Why give that guy any attention? He says so much crap just for clicks and attention. 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 This is the same dude who predicted that the Wii would never hope to compete with sales of PS3 and Xbox 360, that the PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii would be the last ever consoles, and then that the Xbox One would outsell the PS4? What a visionary. ? 48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Platisfaction Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 Yeah, this guy is usually wrong. He also said that the Nintendo Switch didn't make sense. Moron. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kishnabe Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 Who? 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepheroithisgod Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 It's just idiotic speculation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post czDante92 Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 Pachter is full of shit and I have no idea why would anybody give him platform or attention. I don't care about what will MS buy or not either, I'm never getting Xbox, it's either PS, MAYBE Nintendo, but never MS, fuck 'em. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrFudge Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 BREAKING: MrFudge saying his chicken katsu curry dinner will be cooked by 7pm tonight 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zanzuro Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 Whatever that dude says, the opposite always comes true. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LastMinuteSavior Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 PlayStation is (...) going to cease to exist as we know them in about ten years. ? such a precise predicition Heck, the way things are going, humankind might have gone extinct 10 years from now. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsundokuist Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) It’s 10x more likely that Sony/Nintendo would just concede and allow Gamepass to be an app on Playstation/Switch than either exit the market. That’s Microsoft’s end game, they want more Gamepass subscribers, selling Xbox hardware is the hard way to get those currently. Edited March 10, 2022 by Tsundokuist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightDragon Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 He’s a lying blowhard who is only good for clickbait. If I had a dollar for everything he said that was wrong, I’d be rich. He predicted Nintendo’s demise, too. Last I checked, they’re doing just fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dakk55 Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, Kishnabe said: Who? That is the most important question here. Who is this Pachter and why should I care what he says? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreakon13 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Obviously that particular random prediction is bullshit, however Sony/Playstation have stopped even trying to innovate really. Where Nintendo/Microsoft have taken pretty significant risks that have mostly paid off between the handheld/console hybrid and Game Pass just dominating their portfolios, Sony has gotten very complacent just riding their exclusives and branching out as little and as risk averse as possible. To say they'll just up and disappear is ridiculous, but I'm not really sure where the Playstation brand is heading at this point. And that stagnation and uncertainty is probably where these dramatic opinions come from. They aren't as unstoppable as they think they are, and I'm not sure how the landscape looks if they realize that too late. EDIT: I'm also of the opinion that PSN is about as poorly built as a service of its caliber can be, from an outsiders perspective. Things like how difficult and poorly implemented name changes were (once they finally got around to it), show it was designed with virtually no forethought and makes you wonder where other bottlenecks might be. As the digital age requires more and more out of these services, I think PSN is going to have a harder and harder time keeping up. Edited March 10, 2022 by Dreakon13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantCrow Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I can picture Sony's gaming influence shrinking a bit as the PS1-2 players age out of the 18-35 demographic. Doubt the company will ever disappear though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip1776 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) I have followed Michael Pachter for years now. He's had his own show called Pachter Factor on a YT channel called SIFTD Games for years. I find him as a competent voice in the gaming industry and I'm always interested in listening to his opinion. That said, and as many above have commented on, he's been wrong with many of his bold predictions in the past. I'm rather surprised that he would make a comment like this because a statement saying Playstation is doomed and will cease to exist as we know them in 10 years seems to be pure speculation. Without substantial evidence and analysis such as declining sales/market share, poor decisions that has led to expected declining sales, lack of innovation, ignoring current trends, or even a huge spike in competitor sales or market share, there's no expert in any field that can accurately predict a business collapse of a very successful and profitable business in 10 years time. He uses the example of the quick expansion of Game Pass. I would agree that Game Pass has a lot of steam behind it and it's been extremely successful for Microsoft. And yes, Sony should pay serious attention and come up with a plan to counter it or at least make their offerings more attractive in the future. Absolutely. But to boldly predict that Playstation is doomed in 10 years, a business that has been incredibly successful for the past decade, has continued to release profitable and popular games on the regular, continue to innovate and upgrade at all levels (system UI, PS5 controller, new paths of revenue on PC and eventually mobile, etc.), and a company that consistently sits at number one over competitors in sales and profitability seems to be a major stretch and, in my opinion, irresponsible comment as he's a major voice in the industry. In most cases with any industry, it's extremely unlikely that 10 year predictions will be accurate by any expert analysis. I haven't seen this info myself other than the article posted by the OP so I want to look into this further to see if there's more to these comments than Game Pass. No matter the response, I stand by my comments above; 10 year predictions are pure speculation, at best. Edited March 10, 2022 by Paperclip1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TJ_Solo Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Quote Obviously that particular random prediction is bullshit, however Sony/Playstation have stopped even trying to innovate really. PlayStation isn't the company that did a hard pass on new tech such as VR. PlayStation isn't the company that was incabable of creating a single new IP or game for the launch of their new gen console. PlayStation isn't the company the simply increase the power of their new console in a linear fashion without accounting for changes in technology. I'll take what PlayStation is doing over what Xbox isn't. Quote I'm also of the opinion that PSN is about as poorly built as a service of its caliber can be, from an outsiders perspective. The naming structure Sony first used isn't an infrastrucure issue and is not anything you can use to even gauge if Sony has the technology prowess to support PSN in the future. The infrastructure/backbone doesn't even need to be owned or operated by Sony. They could pay for AWS or Google Cloud or even MS Azure. As you said, as a consumer you don't really get to see or know about the backbone of these services. As a consumer it is just does it work or does it not work. The former remains true for PSN in a consistent enough way for people. Edited March 10, 2022 by TJ_Solo 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendExeter Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, dakk55 said: That is the most important question here. Who is this Pachter and why should I care what he says? He's a market analyst for Wedbush Securities. I can't remember if he works on Wall St. or not, yet high up the financial markets. He used to be on a podcast I would watch years ago, can't remember if it was on gametrailers. https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tLP1TfIijcpKisyYPTiz81MzkhMzVEoSEzOKEktAgCJzwnL&q=michael+pachter&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS957US958&oq=michael+pachter&aqs=chrome.1.69i59j46i131i433i512j0i512l7.4152j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 7 minutes ago, Paperclip1776 said: haven't seen this info myself other than the article posted by the OP so I want to look into this further to see if there's more to these comments than Game Pass. No matter the response, I stand by my comments above; 10 year predictions are pure speculation, at best. I agree with you, I was pretty surprised as well when I got this suggested article this morning. I don't see how Sony is just going to fall off the map, unless he is suggesting that due to the recent and past acquisitions by Microsoft they are holding all the cards, or some high money makers. I don't know about GamePass, I have heard of it within games, yet I don't know what the MS Gamepass does for gamers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip1776 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, LegendExeter said: I don't know about GamePass, I have heard of it within games, yet I don't know what the MS Gamepass does for gamers?? Game Pass is a Microsoft subscription model that allows gamers to play a large (and growing) catalog of games. Games are added and removed monthly but the catalog overall is growing in size. The most enticing feature is that all first party games are available to Game Pass subscribers day one. Games like Halo: Infinite, Forza Horizon and the upcoming Starfield will be available day one, among others. Game Pass brings a lot of value and is now the driving force for Microsoft's future success with Xbox. They would rather sell a Game Pass subscription than an Xbox Series X/S because of the ongoing revenue stream a subscription service will bring. If you've heard of a rumored Playstation service called Spartacus, the rumor from creditable sources say that it's planning to be a competitor to Microsoft's Game Pass and is expected to be announced spring 2022. I have my very strong doubts it will actually be a competitor because I don't believe Playstation will offer first party games day one, especially since they've already come out and said so to the contrary. Day one first party games is the number one selling point of Game Pass, that is why buying Activision and Bethesda is a big deal. All of those games, like CoD, Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, etc. will be available day one if you subscribe to the Game Pass service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sunny Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Patcher? Is he related to Patches by any chance? If so last time he lied and kicked me into a pit, so maybe lying runs in the family. Edited March 10, 2022 by Sunnyburrito 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoesusHCrust Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 God, I hope that Gamepass becomes available to Sony consoles. I’ve got little interest in switching console brands but there are a number of upcoming games that I’d love to be able to play on my PS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Quote Game Pass is a Microsoft subscription model that allows gamers to play a large (and growing) catalog of games. Games are added and removed monthly but the catalog overall is growing in size. The most enticing feature is that all first party games are available to Game Pass subscribers day one. Games like Halo: Infinite, Forza Horizon and the upcoming Starfield will be available day one, among others. Game Pass brings a lot of value and is now the driving force for Microsoft's future success with Xbox. They would rather sell a Game Pass subscription than an Xbox Series X/S because of the ongoing revenue stream a subscription service will bring. If you've heard of a rumored Playstation service called Spartacus, the rumor from creditable sources say that it's planning to be a competitor to Microsoft's Game Pass and is expected to be announced spring 2022. I have my very strong doubts it will actually be a competitor because I don't believe Playstation will offer first party games day one, especially since they've already come out and said so to the contrary. Day one first party games is the number one selling point of Game Pass, that is why buying Activision and Bethesda is a big deal. All of those games, like CoD, Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, etc. will be available day one if you subscribe to the Game Pass service. I didn't think Sly integrated in-thread ads yet, but looks like Microsoft paid to just plop one right there... huh. On Topic: So this "Pachter" (Nope, I've never heard of them before) copied some rant any number of whiners posts here about Sony daily and somehow him pasting it somewhere else makes it news? Spoiler alert: Seems like the type of person to move the goalpost when the timeframe comes and goes and it doesn't pan out how they (vaguely) describe it today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclip1776 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, DaivRules said: I didn't think Sly integrated in-thread ads yet, but looks like Microsoft paid to just plop one right there... huh. On Topic: So this "Pachter" (Nope, I've never heard of them before) copied some rant any number of whiners posts here about Sony daily and somehow him pasting it somewhere else makes it news? Spoiler alert: Seems like the type of person to move the goalpost when the timeframe comes and goes and it doesn't pan out how they (vaguely) describe it today. I understand if you haven't heard of Michael Pachter before but he's not some random guy on the internet posting comments. He's a video game analyst who works for Wedbush Securities that has relationships with top exec's within the industry. He's been around for many years, probably decades (pre-dates PS3). His comment makes the news because people in powerful, decision-making positions in the industry listen to him. If you or I posted something like this, it would be a 'throw away' comment and no one would care. But, people listen to this guy, even when he's wrong. And, yes, he's wrong in this article, again. Regarding the Game Pass description, where can I collect my ad revenue? Probably on the wrong site, huh? Edited March 10, 2022 by Paperclip1776 grammar update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slava Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Yeah, I don't know who this guy is either, but based on his previous statements mentioned above, he seems to take recent news and extrapolate a lot without stopping to think for a second. GameCube didn't sell well? Wii will flop too! Mobile market grew a lot recently? Consoles will die! People didn't like WiiU? Switch doesn't make sense either! Xbox game pass is very successful? PlayStation is doomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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