Prometheous101 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) Removing a VR tag 4 years after VR game was released just because it got an update making it playable without it. Same as Normal flat games like Star Wars Squadrons , it has a VR mode but it doesnt have a VR tag because its still a normal flat game. Removing the VR tag doesnt affect people playing it without it ,it just pains VR gamers. Not contributing to VR leaderboards and people looking for VR games cant find VR games cause they arent tagged as such. Few examples where I know this was done.( Plenty more, I just dont know them all, The rescan/tag games forum post would need to be checked)https://psnprofiles.com/trophies/6496-paranormal-activity-the-lost-soulhttps://psnprofiles.com/trophies/8972-falcon-agehttps://psnprofiles.com/trophies/9057-trover-saves-the-universe Recently removed. Tag games for how it was originally meant to be played. What I am trying to say : I dont see any positive consequences to removing the VR tag. Edited May 23, 2022 by Prometheous101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevieboy Posted May 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Prometheous101 said: What I am trying to say : I dont see any positive consequences to removing the VR tag. The way I see it is that the VR tag should be a way for people without a VR to know they won't be able to play that game. Removing the VR tag means that it lets those without a VR know they can play it. That's a positive consequence as far as I'm concerned. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheous101 Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Stevieboy said: The way I see it is that the VR tag should be a way for people without a VR to know they won't be able to play that game. Removing the VR tag means that it lets those without a VR know they can play it. That's a positive consequence as far as I'm concerned. Well, yea but I believe there are far more negatives than positives in this case. People losing Leaderboard points for games they had finished already. BTW same thing goes for VR gamers, we would also like to see which games are VR which are not. I dont see why one community should be taken as higher priority. Edited May 23, 2022 by Prometheous101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkette Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Just now, Stevieboy said: The way I see it is that the VR tag should be a way for people without a VR to know they won't be able to play that game. Removing the VR tag means that it lets those without a VR know they can play it. That's a positive consequence as far as I'm concerned. It’s definitely helpful for it to be used in that way. Games like moto racer 4 and trackmania released without the ability for VR, but they now have it. I think adding the tag to them games would be pointless since I can’t see anyone doing the platinum for Trackmania fully in VR. There’s not really a shortage of VR games to do, so I don’t see this as a big issue. Games that go from fully VR to playable without are very few and far between, so it’s a worthwhile sacrifice in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 I'd argue it's more important to only use the tag for VR-Only games, than as an addition to VR-Capable games. Far fewer people have VR than don't have it, so the tag is far more useful as a warning for the majority, than as an invitation to the minority. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieboy Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Prometheous101 said: Well, yea but I believe there are far more negatives than positives in this case. People losing Leaderboard points for games they had finished already. BTW same thing goes for VR gamers, we would also like to see which games are VR which are not. I dont see why one community should be taken as higher priority. If a game can be played without a VR, then is it really a VR game? The tag is an information piece to let people know the game requires a VR, not that you have the option to use a VR or not. It's to let non-VR owners know that game isn't for them. VR owners don't need to know that, as they can play VR games. If you care more about losing leaderboard points, then that sounds like a whole other issue you need to deal with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheous101 Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stevieboy said: If a game can be played without a VR, then is it really a VR game? The tag is an information piece to let people know the game requires a VR, not that you have the option to use a VR or not. It's to let non-VR owners know that game isn't for them. VR owners don't need to know that, as they can play VR games. If you care more about losing leaderboard points, then that sounds like a whole other issue you need to deal with. But how are VR gamers supposed to know the game IS for them? Technically you could look on the store page if a game is playable in VR, but you can do the same thing if you arent a VR gamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stevieboy said: If a game can be played without a VR, then is it really a VR game? The tag is an information piece to let people know the game requires a VR, not that you have the option to use a VR or not. It's to let non-VR owners know that game isn't for them. VR owners don't need to know that, as they can play VR games This^ I don't own any form of VR tech so a game having a VR tag, lets me know I shouldn't waste my money on it since I won't be able to play it. If every game with even a remote connection to VR is given a VR tag, that will put off a lot of people and prevent them from playing something they might have enjoyed if they knew the VR mode was optional. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieboy Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Just now, Prometheous101 said: But how are VR gamers supposed to know the game IS for them? Technically you could look on the store page if a game is playable in VR, but you can do the same thing if you arent a VR gamer. VR gamers already have the hardware, they don't need to know if the game is for them. They know they can buy the game and they'll be able to play it, regardless of if it's a VR game or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheous101 Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 minute ago, HuntingFever said: This^ I don't own any form of VR tech so a game having a VR tag, lets me know I shouldn't waste my money on it since I won't be able to play it. If every game with even a remote connection to VR is given a VR tag, that will put off a lot of people and prevent them from playing something they might have enjoyed if they knew the VR mode was optional. I have said, Flat / normal should stay tagged as just PS4 . Only games made specifally for VR should be tagged as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Overlord Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Maybe a new tag such as OVR? (Optional VR), that satisfies both sides. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheous101 Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dark_Overlord said: Maybe a new tag such as OVR? (Optional VR), that satisfies both sides. That would be useful if it could be implemented. Not sure how it would be handled as again, games like Trackmania Turbo are normal flat screen games with 3 levels playable in VR, and games like Paranormal Activity which are fully playable in non vr mode. This would mean that all games that have anything VR related would count for the VR leaderboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyondthegrave07 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 43 minutes ago, Dark_Overlord said: Maybe a new tag such as OVR? (Optional VR), that satisfies both sides. The one issue with this is that people would not know what "OVR" stands for. Imagine just seeing that tag pop up one day. It'd lead to a lot of head-scratching and from a glance, it wouldn't make much sense. It would have to be spelled out. This also wouldn't exactly fix the leaderboard issue as it would just add a new leaderboard since they are based on the tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheous101 Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Beyondthegrave07 said: The one issue with this is that people would not know what "OVR" stands for. Imagine just seeing that tag pop up one day. It'd lead to a lot of head-scratching and from a glance, it wouldn't make much sense. It would have to be spelled out. This also wouldn't exactly fix the leaderboard issue as it would just add a new leaderboard since they are based on the tag. Maybe like VR "OPT" tag or some other combination. Probably something could be found to fit . 36 minutes ago, Beyondthegrave07 said: This also wouldn't exactly fix the leaderboard issue as it would just add a new leaderboard since they are based on the tag. Idk what is the plan for when PSVR2 comes out, but maybe if Sly Reaper ( or whoever is in charge now with codeing the site) does some work beckend he could just integrate a VR compatible tag in VR1 and VR2 ( or just 1 VR leaderboards that spans both consoles) I was thinking maybe give 50% trophy points for VR leaderboards from VR optional games or something that would tip the scales. Edited May 23, 2022 by Prometheous101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyondthegrave07 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Prometheous101 said: Maybe like VR "OPT" tag or some other combination. Probably something could be found to fit . Idk what is the plan for when PSVR2 comes out, but maybe if Sly Reaper ( or whoever is in charge now with codeing the site) does some work beckend he could just integrate a VR compatible tag in VR1 and VR2 ( or just 1 VR leaderboards that spans both consoles) I was thinking maybe give 50% trophy points for VR leaderboards from VR optional games or something that would tip the scales. The plan is to stay at 1 VR tag when VR2 is released, but nothing is set in stone at this point so it wouldn't be an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCheck-- Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Prometheous101 said: What I am trying to say : I dont see any positive consequences to removing the VR tag. I agree, it is unfortunate that games that are released as "VR ONLY" get a patch months later that makes VR optional. Time spent collecting the trophies to boost ones leaderboard positioning is then nullified. I agree also that removing the "VR" tag takes the game out of "VR" searches completely is annoying. There are games on this site that have VR compatibility but aren't even shown that it is because the tag is removed. This will never be resolved sadly though, as Dr. Blood Money is right. We are a minority, just really sucks when users spend 10-15 hours on a game completely in VR (like "The Persistence"), and then the tag is removed because devs made it optional. A while back I proposed the following (but it never got anywhere) I thought it would be a great middle-ground. 8 hours ago, Darkette said: Games that go from fully VR to playable without are very few and far between, so it’s a worthwhile sacrifice in my opinion. I have to agree, I'm living with the change, but it did sting that games I'd completed in VR, that are now VR optional have affected my leaderboard points. Like you said, they are far and few between but sometimes you just never know when a developer will make their game VR optional, ruining any game you could currently be playing Edited May 23, 2022 by MikeCheck-- 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Perhaps classifying a peripheral as a platform wasn't the best choice. Placing VR2 only games under common VR tag will only cause more confusion in the long run. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 46 minutes ago, HusKy said: Placing VR2 only games under common VR tag will only cause more confusion in the long run. How so? Surely VR 2 works the same as VR 1 when it comes to if it's mandatory or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, HuntingFever said: How so? Surely VR 2 works the same as VR 1 when it comes to if it's mandatory or not? Right, but a VR2 game might not support VR1 headset and vice versa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCheck-- Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 6 hours ago, HusKy said: Perhaps classifying a peripheral as a platform wasn't the best choice. Placing VR2 only games under common VR tag will only cause more confusion in the long run. That is what's going to happen more than likely. PSVR2 games will be tagged as "PS5, VR" which honestly, is enough to indicate that you need a PSVR2 since the PS5 tag indicates next gen. Casual users will see the tag and probably think that it's VR1 enhanced by the PS5 or something. I don't see an issue with it though, it keeps all VR games on one leaderboard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusKy Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 minute ago, MikeCheck-- said: I don't see an issue with it though, it keeps all VR games on one leaderboard. Right, but leaderboard does not have to be bound to a platform, so this wouldn't be an issue. I guess what I was pointing at was the fact that it's the only peripheral that acts as a platform, which is a peculiar design choice. (I know that PSVR is far more popular than any other peripheral, but still.) This would have been better solved with a more flexible labeling system or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCheck-- Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) @HusKy Hmm, I'm curious to know what you would recommend then if you have time to reply? VR hunting has a small community, but we do make use of the "VR Leaderboard". What would be a good suggestion moving forward that keeps the VR leaderboard intact? Edited May 24, 2022 by MikeCheck-- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leandrorhcp Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 I never understood why this site treats VR as a unique platform when it's not: With that criteria, then Move should be treated as such too? They're both dependent accessories for the consoles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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