Popular Post Stevieboy Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, HoorayForTyler said: He’s deleted quite a bit of my comments in the forums before, so sorry if my immediate assumption wasn’t correct. We do what we feel is necessary to enforce the rules and to restore civility, if possible. We don't do it as some sort of power trip or anything like that as some people are so quick to accuse us of. We absolutely love a constructive debate about all topics and discussions here, but all too easily those descend into name calling, abuse and labelling. We would love to have to never go into those threads to clean anything up, but unfortunately we often have to. People sometimes get too passionate about a subject and cross lines they shouldn't, so we have to rein them back in. Our jobs would be much more satisfying if we didn't have to do that, but then I guess we wouldn't really be needed then, would we. It's all good though. Well, mostly good anyway. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Duderino Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, DaivRules said: Does he though? Is Sly not allowed to run Slys own website in the manner Sly chooses? Stop defending the indefensible, Daiv! Matt stopped caring years ago. He doesn't "run" this site anymore; he "stands" it. He is too lazy to respond to posts and messages, he completely stopped developing the site. Hell, there are still bugs on the site I reported a half a decade ago. Edited June 19, 2022 by R4M Razr 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadiochao Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I think he's doing fine. He's releasing updates at the same rate he always has 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Duderino Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, Shadiochao said: I think he's doing fine. He's releasing updates at the same rate he always has Really? Then why is this forum still slow as fuck? People have been complaining for about a year now. Nothing ever happened. And why does the site still not display the playtime for PS4 and PS5 games? Other sites do since 2020. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HoorayForTyler Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stevieboy said: We do what we feel is necessary to enforce the rules and to restore civility, if possible. We don't do it as some sort of power trip or anything like that as some people are so quick to accuse us of. We absolutely love a constructive debate about all topics and discussions here, but all too easily those descend into name calling, abuse and labelling. We would love to have to never go into those threads to clean anything up, but unfortunately we often have to. People sometimes get too passionate about a subject and cross lines they shouldn't, so we have to rein them back in. Our jobs would be much more satisfying if we didn't have to do that, but then I guess we wouldn't really be needed then, would we. It's all good though. Well, mostly good anyway. I definitely understand where you’re coming from. Perhaps I was hasty in my assumption, but my comments have been deleted on PSNProfiles several times before, some definitely not even warranting a deletion. That’s just not a good look. I’ve seen many other people’s comments get deleted just for voicing opinions as well. I do hope that doesn’t become a regular thing to have to worry about on here is all. Still appreciate what you do for the site regardless. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Duderino Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HoorayForTyler said: I’ve seen many other people’s comments get deleted just for voicing opinions as well. My comments get deleted all the time. And this was definitely different when AF and Eburk had mod rights. But this was before you've joined the site. Edited June 19, 2022 by R4M Razr 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infected Elite Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Silver-I-Chariot said: Not having to wait 10 seconds for the forums to load would have been nice. i have gigabit internet and have no load issues. Its pretty instant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoorayForTyler Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, R4M Razr said: My comments get deleted all the time. And this was definitely different when AF and Eburk had mod rights. But this was before you've joined the site. Yeah I joined back in 2018, so idk how long this website has been around for or how it used to be. It’s just sad seeing comments getting deleted all the time (sometimes in real time when you’re browsing) when half of them didn’t even say anything wrong. But I digress from the main topic. I do hope this website can get some new rims on the tires. To not at least have an official ultra rare leaderboard added in by now…that’s criminal. Don’t think we’ll see a development team doing something new for PSNProfiles for awhile though, if ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Undead Wolf Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, R4M Razr said: Stop defending the indefensible, Daiv! Matt stopped caring years ago. He doesn't "run" this site anymore; he "stands" it. He is too lazy to respond to posts and messages, he completely stopped developing the site. Hell, there are still bugs on the site I reported a half a decade ago. But he must keep defending Sly or else he'd stop getting paid for his position as a mod.Wait, you're telling me he does it all for free!? 4 minutes ago, R4M Razr said: My comments get deleted all the time. And this was definitely different when AF and Eburk had mod rights. But this was before you've joined the site. Same here. I can't really speak to how it was back then, but it feels like the post deletions have gotten a lot worse over the past couple of years. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HoorayForTyler Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Undead Wolf said: But he must keep defending Sly or else he'd stop getting paid for his position as a mod.Wait, you're telling me he does it all for free!? ??? That gave me a good laugh. 5 minutes ago, Undead Wolf said: Same here. I can't really speak to how it was back then, but it feels like the post deletions have gotten a lot worse over the past couple of years. I agree with you. Definitely has gotten bad over the last year or two. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadiochao Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just now, R4M Razr said: Really? Then why is this forum still slow as fuck? People have been complaining for about a year now. Nothing ever happened. And why does the site still not display the playtime for PS4 and PS5 games? Other sites do since 2020. I was being sarcastic Even when he was active he didn't exactly do much. People have been posting on the feedback forum for years only to be met with silence. Even the smallest things you'd expect any trophy site to have and were requested hundreds of times, like marking unobtainable trophies or shutdown servers Like you mentioned, user information like hours played in a game is still missing after several years Major bugs have existed since the PS5 release, like not being able to track or display games properly if they have more than 255 trophies I'm surprised that he even bothered to update the trophy level system, although maybe that just sorted itself out automatically 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurnin100 Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 Sly 100% needs to share the reigns more with development. It may have been manageable when he started but perhaps it’s got too big for 1 person to cope ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the1andonly654 Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 I'm gonna ask a question that seems to be taboo. Does anyone contributing to the site actually gets any money for their contributions? Do the guide writers get any percentage of ad revenue on their guides? Do moderators get anything? It is a legitimate question. I assume no, not once have I seen it mentioned. Even the very extensive guide for writing... Well, guides is all about demands, not compensation. I'm asking because all I've seen "it's Sly's website, he can do what he wants". While that's obviously true, it looks very differently if he's the only one getting paid for it, or if everyone who actually does something to contribute gets a piece of the pie. A development team is not an absurd idea when so many people want more functionality, and the sole owner of the site doesn't do a thing about it. People are organizing events and use their own money as prizes or contributions to some cause, to make time spent here fun. Others create a plugin or whatever to make PSNP better. There are premium accounts ffs. I'm not that deep into this site's culture, for all I know I might just get banned for this. But really, if people are contributing all of this for free, the guides, the moderation, the events and whatnot and the universal response is "it's Sly's website" and so on, it's just cynical af and kinda preying (for lack of a better word, if that's even a word) on people who more or less care about the community. Hence my original question, does anyone get paid at all? 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieboy Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, the1andonly654 said: I'm gonna ask a question that seems to be taboo. Does anyone contributing to the site actually gets any money for their contributions? Do the guide writers get any percentage of ad revenue on their guides? Do moderators get anything? It is a legitimate question. I assume no, not once have I seen it mentioned. Even the very extensive guide for writing... Well, guides is all about demands, not compensation. I'm asking because all I've seen "it's Sly's website, he can do what he wants". While that's obviously true, it looks very differently if he's the only one getting paid for it, or if everyone who actually does something to contribute gets a piece of the pie. A development team is not an absurd idea when so many people want more functionality, and the sole owner of the site doesn't do a thing about it. People are organizing events and use their own money as prizes or contributions to some cause, to make time spent here fun. Others create a plugin or whatever to make PSNP better. There are premium accounts ffs. I'm not that deep into this site's culture, for all I know I might just get banned for this. But really, if people are contributing all of this for free, the guides, the moderation, the events and whatnot and the universal response is "it's Sly's website" and so on, it's just cynical af and kinda preying (for lack of a better word, if that's even a word) on people who more or less care about the community. Hence my original question, does anyone get paid at all? I can only speak for myself, but I don't get paid anything for moderating this site. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurnin100 Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Stevieboy said: I can only speak for myself, but I don't get paid anything for moderating this site. It’s always been assumed the “specialist teams” don’t get paid (Guide writers, Mods, CRT, Game info team) etc though this is speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mori Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) The fact a user had to create an improved version (PSNP+) says enough. It's just sad that communication between the Owner and the community is basically non-existent (anymore). Edited June 19, 2022 by Mori 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyleh Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Not trying to dogpile on Sly, but this is the exact same thing that happened with his previous trophy site before he made PSNP. Hopefully, he gets a lust for the site and the urge to update features spurs him to keep this great site up-to-date with community requests for relevant features. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoorayForTyler Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mori said: The fact a user had to create an improved version (PSNP+) says enough. It's just sad that communication between the Owner and the community is basically non-existent (anymore). Honestly, I can see someone like Husky developing a great trophy website, if given the time. They seem like they’d actually give a crap about making improvements based on user feedback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishNub Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 57 minutes ago, Infected Elite said: i have gigabit internet and have no load issues. Its pretty instant. not everyone has internet like you i only have 50 down and 25 up so i have about 10-15 second wait 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ScintillaWolf Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, HoorayForTyler said: Honestly, I can see someone like Husky developing a great trophy website, if given the time. They seem like they’d actually give a crap about making improvements based on user feedback. Yeah, his work on PSNP+ has been brilliant. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEI2EK Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 38 minutes ago, amurnin100 said: It’s always been assumed the “specialist teams” don’t get paid (Guide writers, Mods, CRT, Game info team) etc though this is speculation. There is no compensation, we all do this in our spare time, which is why I do the most with what I have 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HoorayForTyler Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just now, ScintillaWolf said: Yeah, his work on PSNP+ has been brilliant. It really has been. Honestly, @HusKy huge shoutout my friend! Don’t think you’re given the credit you deserve for your contributions to the site. 14 minutes ago, Helyx said: Not trying to dogpile on Sly, but this is the exact same thing that happened with his previous trophy site before he made PSNP. Hopefully, he gets a lust for the site and the urge to update features spurs him to keep this great site up-to-date with community requests for relevant features. I’m going to be the first to admit that I had no clue there was another site before PSNProfiles. Here’s to hoping that this particular trophy site continues to flourish and accept critical feedback from its paying and non-paying users. Everyone deserves to voice their opinions. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver-I-Chariot Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 hours ago, Infected Elite said: i have gigabit internet and have no load issues. Its pretty instant. I'm not sure what's the reason for this but I've seen lots of people complain about loading speed on this website. My internet isn't bad either and this is the only website I have issues with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pinkrobot_pb Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) The times of "do what you want" on the internet are over. As soon as you take it upon yourself to handle other people's private data (and even the IP-address of a one-time visitor is deemed sensitive data nowadays) then the mantra "This is Sly's site so he can do what he wants" simply does not apply anymore. Edited June 20, 2022 by pinkrobot_pb 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shikotei-kun Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 Some of the features that other sites display are incorrect (the PS4/PS5 playtime can be off by over 20%). I've got save files of over 500 hours where the PS5 states just shy of 400. Files that state 16 hours where PS5 states just 12. People have pointed in the Disputes subforum to these numbers for reasons of flagging (time spent too low), but they just aren't accurate enough. Not to mention that PS3 times are unavailable, PS4 games before 2020 (or something) are off by even more. It's pointless information. The rarity leaderboard was abandoned due to the community not being able to agree which formula to use for the points calculation (hence the myriad of threads). There have been multiple attempts to get a consensus, but each has been met with resistance at almost every step along the way. You want a rarity leaderboard? Get your heads together and figure out the rules for it that satisfies everyone. The majority got discarded because the "high raw numbers still win" scenario (which is why I think the current normal leaderboard is "not appealing" to say the least) and those with a cut-off point (above which rarity % trophies don't count) is never agreed upon. The Train Sim World 2 trophy list is getting fixed and has a deep-rooted back-end architectural reason why it breaks the limits of the system as it was designed way back when. The same was true for Ikemenzi's bronze trophy count. Changing a fundamental aspect of the system can be easy, or can be brutally complex depending on what needs to be changed. Sly has stated that a fix (for TSW2) is incoming, and is part of a larger system (database) overhaul. As for payments for writing guides: nobody receives anything (other than the GOTY event winners); not the writers, not the Guide Team (confirmed via DM). We -the writers- write guides because we want to, because we feel the need to provide other players with information we scrounged up from across the internet or first-hand experimentation and digging deep for facts. Nobody is forcing us. Nobody needs to have any qualifications to start a guide; there's no hiring process, no back-and-forth between the Guide Team and potential writers to be allowed to start, no screening or test of any kind. All one needs is to have the game on your profile and sync'd to the site to be able to start a guide. The only back-and-forth you might get is when you're ready to publish the guide. Then the Team will proof read the work and comment if necessary. They do this in their spare time. I also do not expect to get paid for spending my free time doing this. I'm the one who chose to do this after all. Knowing I helped out even a single person who might be struggling, or considering buying the game I wrote a guide for is good enough for me. It's called being selfless. I've also read about the marking of unobtainable trophies due to server shutdowns, glitches or bugs. This is not an automatable feature and must therefore be manually flagged. There are also examples of servers (or online related features) getting brought back temporarily. One would have to keep track of the literally thousands of online games and know their status every day -in case such server partially returns- to mark or unmark a trophy as unobtainable. Since this would be pointed to in tons of dispute threads, this data must be accurate and thus time consuming. And because it's manually flagged, flaggers are needed. Not everyone must be able to flag them because it will be abused. The dispute subforum is already a hotbed that doesn't need extra fuel for the flames. Sure, it's a nice feature, but ultimately you (as player) can easily find out if a game's server is up and running, or dead in the water. There's even a dedicated thread with all the knowledge you need. Sly has not responded openly to many requests for various reasons (unknown to me, just to you don't think I have any personal or direct connection), but as I read through these suggestions (and the Site Help subforum), I get the distinct feeling that people have gotten lazy. They don't want to look up things that take just a two keyword or two in a search engine. How many times has the same "my trophies are gone" topic opened up? How many times must a forumite be pointed to a stickied thread in the same subforum? With the release of the PS5 Sony has updated their API (and eventually removed the older version?). There is no information available regarding the commands, parameters, pathways, or any function call interface information. We (non-affiliated trophy trackers) had to figure this stuff out from scratching the surface and checking out what the official site uses to communicate with itself. The API has been split in two: one regarding game information, and one regarding trophy information. Which is why it took a while before PS5 lists could even be added. As for not being able to flag PS5 games; I think the current consensus is that the official firmware hasn't been cracked open yet and no illegal software has been developed for it. Therefore there aren't any ways of illegally obtaining trophies. Don't quote me on that as this info is at least some months old as I haven't kept up with that particular scene. Without knowing how Sly's programmed flaggability it might just be "set this value to True" or build a new button that adds the "flag this trophy list" functionality. Bottom line: Sly has been keeping up with the site, but doesn't shout it from the rooftops. Lots of updates, changes, fixes and other adjustments are too technical to explain (for which finding the right non-technical words is exhausting enough) or just not worth mentioning. Sly's not our developer; we are not customers. We don't pay him for anything. We're freeloaders enjoying the hard work of a single person. We're not entitled to anything. Not even Premium members (does it say anything about mandatory feature updates anywhere in the ToS you agreed upon?). Lastly: just because Sly is the only dev doesn't mean he has monopoly. There are other sites that track trophies. It's very simple to just hop on over to a different one if you're not happy here. Nobody is forcing you to stay, nobody is forcing you to leave either, nobody is forcing you to pick just one tracking site. Nobody is also going to stop you from creating your own tracking site. There're starter kits you can use to get the basic framework and work your way up from there. From my experiences as a dev myself have taught me that end-users have no concept of frameworks, architectural choices and how a simple request can easily break the system because of a choice once made. PS: I'm not angry at anyone in particular, and I apologize if my rant lit a fuse, stepped on toes, or hurt anyone's feelings. Feel free to fact check and point out any flaws or mistakes. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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