Popular Post TJC_86 Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 I just found out I've been removed from the leaderboard and list of achievers because I had some trophies auto pop for me. Is this a common thing, has this happened to anyone else lately? The game I had flagged was dead space on PS3. It was my very first platinum trophy on PS3 back in May 2009, over 13 years ago. The trophies auto popped because I had already completed the trophy requirements before the trophy system was introduced to the PSN. I beat the game and found all the collectibles for the sake of in game completion, before the game even had a trophy list and before PSN trophies were even a thing. After I updated the system softore on my PS3 to include the newly introduced PSN trophy system I started a new game on dead space to start earning the trophies. Because I had already done a lot of the trophy requirements, some trophies auto popped. I have no way to prove this because it happened 13 years ago. I've put in a dispute but have not yet had a response. The message on my profile sais I can "hide games" to be reinstated on the leaderboards, but It doesn't say how to do this and I shouldn't have to because I've done nothing wrong. If someone who runs this site reads this could they please look into this and get back to me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King-Leonidas-I Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) The game had trophies day 1. It was never one to get a trophy patch later on. Edited July 2, 2022 by King-Leonidas-I 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin_2943 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Date trophies was introduced to playstation July 2nd 2008 Date dead space released October 14th 2008. And previous poster is correct it had trophies day one and if memory serves even the ones that had trophy support patched in I dont think they poped retroactively 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaivRules Posted July 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2022 For context for people reading the thread, since I’m sure a lot of things are just going to be repeated between both places: 18 minutes ago, TJC_86 said: I've put in a dispute but have not yet had a response. The message on my profile sais I can "hide games" to be reinstated on the leaderboards, but It doesn't say how to do this and I shouldn't have to because I've done nothing wrong. If someone who runs this site reads this could they please look into this and get back to me. The Cheater Removers will determine if the reason you posted in the Dispute means your timestamps did not violate the posted leaderboard rules, and they do so in their spare time as volunteers on the site. Here is the thread labeled with the i formation you’re looking for: https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/52551-how-to-hide-games-reappear-on-the-leaderboards/ You’ll just have to be patient and it would be best to find any evidence anywhere you can link to on the internet that shows your copy of Dead Space didn’t come with trophies at launch and that caused yours to auto pop once a patch was released, as the first several games with trophy patches did not auto pop and required completing the trophy requirements a second time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post closertim Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 Maybe his ps3 wasn’t updated to handle trophies till later on…. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC_86 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 minute ago, closertim said: Maybe his ps3 wasn’t updated to handle trophies till later on…. Thats right. I didn't have the trophy system installed on my PS3 when I first beat the game and did the trophy requirements. That's why some trophies autopopped after I updated the system software and played a new game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sergen Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, TJC_86 said: Thats right. I didn't have the trophy system installed on my PS3 when I first beat the game and did the trophy requirements. That's why some trophies autopopped after I updated the system software and played a new game. Not updating the system software doesn't stop trophies from unlocking on the PS3 and you have time stamps for your trophies meaning that it was connected to the internet at some point in your life at that time, otherwise the time stamps would say "missing time stamps"... If the PS3 had ever connected to the internet in your life by that point then your time stamps should have been the correct time stamps because there's a CMOS battery clock in the PS3 that gets synced up to the real time after you have connected the console to the internet one time in your life. You'll have to accept that this is going to stay flagged and making multiple threads because the dispute didn't go your way will only result in a forum ban from this website. If this is your only flag then you'll have to hide the trophy list from your profile to get your leaderboard rank back. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 hours ago, TJC_86 said: I just found out I've been removed from the leaderboard and list of achievers because I had some trophies auto pop for me. Is this a common thing, has this happened to anyone else lately? The game I had flagged was dead space on PS3. It was my very first platinum trophy on PS3 back in May 2009, over 13 years ago. The trophies auto popped because I had already completed the trophy requirements before the trophy system was introduced to the PSN. I beat the game and found all the collectibles for the sake of in game completion, before the game even had a trophy list and before PSN trophies were even a thing. After I updated the system softore on my PS3 to include the newly introduced PSN trophy system I started a new game on dead space to start earning the trophies. Because I had already done a lot of the trophy requirements, some trophies auto popped. I have no way to prove this because it happened 13 years ago. I've put in a dispute but have not yet had a response. The message on my profile sais I can "hide games" to be reinstated on the leaderboards, but It doesn't say how to do this and I shouldn't have to because I've done nothing wrong. If someone who runs this site reads this could they please look into this and get back to me. False, it came with trophies. My ps3 wasn't connected to the Internet when I got dead space and I still earned trophies. 3 hours ago, Taliesin_2943 said: Date trophies was introduced to playstation July 2nd 2008 Date dead space released October 14th 2008. And previous poster is correct it had trophies day one and if memory serves even the ones that had trophy support patched in I dont think they poped retroactively Correct, I didn't have Internet for my PS3 when Dead Space came out and I was able to earn trophies in it. It says missing time stamps for my trophies. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevieboy Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sergen said: Not updating the system software doesn't stop trophies from unlocking on the PS3 and you have time stamps for your trophies meaning that it was connected to the internet at some point in your life at that time, otherwise the time stamps would say "missing time stamps"... If the PS3 had ever connected to the internet in your life by that point then your time stamps should have been the correct time stamps because there's a CMOS battery clock in the PS3 that gets synced up to the real time after you have connected the console to the internet one time in your life. You'll have to accept that this is going to stay flagged and making multiple threads because the dispute didn't go your way will only result in a forum ban from this website. If this is your only flag then you'll have to hide the trophy list from your profile to get your leaderboard rank back. What the OP is saying is they didn't have their PS3 updated for the trophy system. The 2.40 (later withdrawn and replaced with 2.41) update introduced trophies and the OP is saying they hadn't downloaded and installed that update (or a later one) before playing Dead Space. They later updated their PS3 with the trophy system, played Dead Space again and a bunch of trophies auto popped. It will be hard to prove this happened, or even recreate this, as you'd need a PS3 on a firmware lower than 2.40. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rick_Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Stevieboy said: What the OP is saying is they didn't have their PS3 updated for the trophy system. The 2.40 (later withdrawn and replaced with 2.41) update introduced trophies and the OP is saying they hadn't downloaded and installed that update (or a later one) before playing Dead Space. They later updated their PS3 with the trophy system, played Dead Space again and a bunch of trophies auto popped. It will be hard to prove this happened, or even recreate this, as you'd need a PS3 on a firmware lower than 2.40. Back in the day when you purchased a game that needed a future firmware you were able to update the firmware from the disk. I didn't have Internet on my PS3 back in the day and it's how I have missing timestamps on my first handful of trophies. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieboy Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Just now, Rick_Sanchez said: Back in the day when you purchased a game that needed a future firmware you were able to update the firmware from the disk. I didn't have Internet on my PS3 back in the day and it's how I have missing timestamps on my first handful of trophies. Maybe Dead Space didn't need a certain firmware installed to be able to play it? Their PS3 wouldn't have known what trophies even were if it wasn't updated to 2.40 or higher. The question we need to find out is if the game auto unlocks trophies if it detects you've already done the requirements from the save file. If it does, then what the OP is saying could be plausible. Whether it's classed as legit for the leaderboard though is something the CRT would have to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Just now, Stevieboy said: Maybe Dead Space didn't need a certain firmware installed to be able to play it? Their PS3 wouldn't have known what trophies even were if it wasn't updated to 2.40 or higher. The question we need to find out is if the game auto unlocks trophies if it detects you've already done the requirements from the save file. If it does, then what the OP is saying could be plausible. Whether it's classed as legit for the leaderboard though is something the CRT would have to decide. no it had trophies which means it absolutely required said firmware. I remember every so often when I got a new game it had me update the firmware which includes when trophies were introduced. Which means if a game had trophies, you had to update the firmware to include trophy support. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieboy Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Just now, Rick_Sanchez said: no it had trophies which means it absolutely required said firmware. I remember every so often when I got a new game it had me update the firmware which includes when trophies were introduced. Which means if a game had trophies, you had to update the firmware to include trophy support. If that's the case then the OP's story isn't true. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin_2943 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, Rick_Sanchez said: False, it came with trophies. My ps3 wasn't connected to the Internet when I got dead space and I still earned trophies. Correct, I didn't have Internet for my PS3 when Dead Space came out and I was able to earn trophies in it. It says missing time stamps for my trophies. Yeah I didn't have internet at all for my ps3 for a good long while (I live way out in the county/sticks where we still don't have very great internet but I have a hotspot) I just updated by the game disks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC_86 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Stevieboy said: If that's the case then the OP's story isn't true. It is true. I played through the game and did everything without popping any trophies, before I had the trophy system on my PS3. I later updated the PS3 and played the game again and I distinctly remember the trophies were autopopping, and these were the first trophies I ever earned. For example I got the trophy for the collectibles when I picked up one more collectible, and I got the trophy for getting 30 kills with a certain weapon when I got one more kill with that weapon. 2 hours ago, closertim said: Maybe his ps3 wasn’t updated to handle trophies till later on…. Thats right. I didn't have the trophy system installed on my PS3 when I first beat the game and did the trophy requirements. That's why some trophies autopopped after I updated the system software and played a new game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyleh Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 So, was there even any cheat software available April 2009? If it wasn't available, and if Dead Space has encrypted save files, then there's not much to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergen Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, Helyx said: So, was there even any cheat software available April 2009? If it wasn't available, and if Dead Space has encrypted save files, then there's not much to discuss. The save file isn't encrypted so any platinum save could have been used to auto-pop the trophies in the same way back then: https://www.thetechgame.com/Tutorials/op=view/id=1578/all-working-trophy-hacks-no-cfw-jb-hacks.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xyleh Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sergen said: The save file isn't encrypted Well, there goes my shot at debunking any nefarious actions on OP's behalf. PS3s pre-OFW2.4 (or whatever version introduced trophies to the OS) would have no indication of what a trophy was (as noted previously). Progress made on OP's original save file would retain any progress towards potential trophy unlocks. After updating the firmware, the system would re-scan the save during gameplay and unlock any trophies that would have previously unlocked (like all collectible trophies popping at once). You can connect a PS3 to the internet and sync the internal clock without signing up for a PSN ID, so it's possible to get these trophies in the way OP claims, without having "missing timestamps". I believe OP, and the timestamps certainly reflect legitimate gameplay (considering his save was in Chapter 5)...except for the trophies for severing limbs. The 1000 limb trophy pops before the trophies for 20 and 500 limbs. That's a weird thing to have out of place, but if this is compared against known cheaters of Dead Space, would they have the same pattern or would all 3 limb trophies show they popped together? I haven't looked through the disputers other games, but if there's nothing cheated in other games, then I feel this flag should be lifted. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin_2943 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, Helyx said: Well, there goes my shot at debunking any nefarious actions on OP's behalf. PS3s pre-OFW2.4 (or whatever version introduced trophies to the OS) would have no indication of what a trophy was (as noted previously). Progress made on OP's original save file would retain any progress towards potential trophy unlocks. After updating the firmware, the system would re-scan the save during gameplay and unlock any trophies that would have previously unlocked (like all collectible trophies popping at once). You can connect a PS3 to the internet and sync the internal clock without signing up for a PSN ID, so it's possible to get these trophies in the way OP claims, without having "missing timestamps". I believe OP, and the timestamps certainly reflect legitimate gameplay (considering his save was in Chapter 5)...except for the trophies for severing limbs. The 1000 limb trophy pops before the trophies for 20 and 500 limbs. That's a weird thing to have out of place, but if this is compared against known cheaters of Dead Space, would they have the same pattern or would all 3 limb trophies show they popped together? I haven't looked through the disputers other games, but if there's nothing cheated in other games, then I feel this flag should be lifted. What's very confusing for me looking at this game on his profile is there not all autopopped but also the time frames are just all over the place like beating chapter 5 days before chapter 4 and various things hours apart. You would think if they was auto popped they would be seconds to minutes apart cheat or legit it still looks odd I don't remember a chapter select to explain the out of order chapters but someone might be able to explain? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyleh Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Taliesin_2943 said: I don't remember a chapter select to explain the out of order chapters but someone might be able to explain? OP was mid-playthrough when he updating his firmware, so his trophies start in Chapter 5 and continue until the end of the campaign. Then, OP does another playthrough and the trophies for Chapter 1 through Chapter 4 unlock. The only trophies that don't make sense are the limbs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Helyx said: OP was mid-playthrough when he updating his firmware, so his trophies start in Chapter 5 and continue until the end of the campaign. Then, OP does another playthrough and the trophies for Chapter 1 through Chapter 4 unlock. The only trophies that don't make sense are the limbs. Except the game would require the PS3's firmware to be updated to a firmware that would include trophies. My original PS3 was never connected to the Internet till much later after Dead space was released. Dead Space launched with trophies which shows on my list as all obtained with missing timestamps which is only possible if a PS3 was never connected to the Internet when the trophies were earned. If dead space launched without trophies but it was patched in later, then missing timestamps would theoretically be impossible. Edited July 3, 2022 by Rick_Sanchez 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyleh Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Rick_Sanchez said: Except the game would require the PS3's firmware to be updated to a firmware that would include trophies. My original PS3 was never connected to the Internet till much later after Dead space was released. Dead Space launched with trophies. I don't see how any of that is relevant to anything I've said, but having more info never hurts... Edited July 3, 2022 by Helyx 100% relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Helyx said: I don't see how any of that is relevant to anything I've said, but having more info never hurts... You claimed op was in mid playthrough on chapter 5 then updated to a firmware with trophy support. However, as Dead Space requires a firmware that includes trophies, playing on an earlier firmware without trophy support would be impossible. Hence the theory of him being on a non trophy supported firmware playing Dead Space then updating to a firmware with trophy support is 100% impossible. His story is 100% bunk. Edited July 3, 2022 by Rick_Sanchez 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyleh Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Just now, Rick_Sanchez said: playing on an earlier firmware without trophy support would be impossible When did PS3 games require a firmware update before you could play them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rick_Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Helyx said: When did PS3 games require a firmware update before you could play them? Literally always. If your PS3 game had a newer firmware on disk and you put it in a PS3 on an earlier firmware, you'll be required to update it before playing. I had a PS3 pre trophy days and I remember occasionally getting a new game and having to update the firmware. After getting my PS3 connected to the Internet, this never happened again. It's something people wouldn't know if they had their PS3 connected to the Internet day one. It's how missing timestamp trophies happen. Edited July 3, 2022 by Rick_Sanchez 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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