Xyleh Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rick_Sanchez said: Literally always. If your PS3 game had a newer firmware on disk and you put it in a PS3 on an earlier firmware, you'll be required to update it before playing. Since 2007, I've never once seen this be a thing. themoreyouknow.gif 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Helyx said: Since 2007, I've never once seen this be a thing. themoreyouknow.gif really? Was it connected to the Internet then? Looking on your profile it looks like your first game with trophies was Uncharted which launched without trophy support. Trophies were patched in later and any saves prior to trophies couldn't unlock trophies iirc just like with MGS4 when trophies were added in after a few years. This means missing timestamps shouldn't happen with games with patched in trophy support unless the CMOS battery in the PS3 is dead. Dead Space was launched with trophies which means missing timestamps (like my dead space list entirely) is possible. Edited July 3, 2022 by Rick_Sanchez 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabinha Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Helyx said: Since 2007, I've never once seen this be a thing. themoreyouknow.gif I had this problem when I was using cFW back in 2011, before a started to platinum games, there are a bunch of games at rent with newer firmware that we can't play, even the first Sony H7 requires 3.6 firmware, when i bought I had to update and remove the CFW for good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaivRules Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rick_Sanchez said: Literally always. If your PS3 game had a newer firmware on disk and you put it in a PS3 on an earlier firmware, you'll be required to update it before playing. I had a PS3 pre trophy days and I remember occasionally getting a new game and having to update the firmware. After getting my PS3 connected to the Internet, this never happened again. It's something people wouldn't know if they had their PS3 connected to the Internet day one. It's how missing timestamp trophies happen. Yesterday, I was trying to look up if Dead Space specifically has a firmware version on disc, and I assume since it had native trophy support, it would have, but couldn’t find much in the short time I looked. It was pretty common for those of us with extremely slow internet connections and didn’t leave our PS3s online, to come across games that required firmware updates. Even PSP games that would do the same. I’m a bit surprised it doesn’t seem more well known on the site. Edited July 3, 2022 by DaivRules 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_Sanchez Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Just now, DaivRules said: Yesterday, I was trying to look up if Dead Space specifically has a firmware version on disc, and I assume since it had native trophy support, it would have, but couldn’t find much in the short time I looked. It was pretty common for those of us with extremely slow internet connections and didn’t leave our PS3s online, to come across games that required firmware updates. Even PSP games that would do the same. I’m a bit surprised it doesn’t seem more well known on the site. I think it's not well known as most people would have their PS3 up to date and would almost never come across this happening to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SnowxSakura Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Helyx said: When did PS3 games require a firmware update before you could play them? PSP games also do that. I have a lower firmware psp, and it will not let you launch newer released games until you either update the firmware included with the disc, or through the internet PS3 also has the same thing, as early as 2006, as seen by this article https://www.ign.com/articles/2006/11/04/more-ps3-titles-require-firmware-update "Just as we'd reported earlier today regarding Madden NFL 07, we've discovered that three more launch titles will require a firmware update before you'll be able to play them. Much like what happens with the PSP, you'll see an alert that says you must upgrade to a newer firmware version before playing. Genji: Days of the Blade, Ridge Racer 7 and Resistance: Fall of Man will all require a system update to version 1.02. The update ships on the disc so that you won't need to be online to download anything, but you should of course be able to update before the games come by hopping online." This is how people that didn't have internet back in the early days of trophies still earned trophies on games like dead space, as it included the required OFW on the disc. As is the case with users like @Rick_Sanchez The message you get on the ps3 is similar Edited July 3, 2022 by SnowxSakura 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dekaku Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 There is also a "fairly easy" way to check, if it was possible to play Dead Space without patching to firmware 2.4. All you need is RPCS3 (open source ps3 emulator, which you can use to play the first two Motorstorm games at 60fps for example), a pre 2.4 firmware (which you can find on ps3devwiki), the game on disc and a compatible Buray drive. If the game boots up, the claims are feasible. If it doesn't, or is unplayable, then his claims should be bogus. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suminya Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 Dead Space requires at least firmware 2.42, according to its param.sfo file. It also shipped with said firmware on the disc. So no, it isn't playable on a PS3 with firmware 2.40 or lower installed. 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 This guy's dispute has actually turned into something pretty interesting 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC_86 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 It was 13 years ago but I distinctly remember playing through the game without popping any trophies, then playing it again and some trophies autopopped such as the collectibles trophies when I picked up one more collectible. I remember the trophies auto popping because they were my very first trophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 minute ago, TJC_86 said: It was 13 years ago but I distinctly remember playing through the game without popping any trophies, then playing it again and some trophies autopopped such as the collectibles trophies when I picked up one more collectible. I remember the trophies auto popping because they were my very first trophies. The game code on the disc distinctly says it requires a version of the firmware that recognized trophies to be installed before the game will play. And game saves were readily available and didn’t require anything but downloading them to the console to get them to be recognized. How would you reconcile those with your recounting of your experience? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC_86 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 My disc says BLES_00308. Maybe a different version or something? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letenko Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, TJC_86 said: My disc says BLES_00308. Maybe a different version or something? This means you have the PAL/European version while the one on @Suminya's post is the US one. My copy of Dead Sapce is also a BLES 00308. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garamoth Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Oooo, forensic trophyology, exciting! What's the burden of proof? (eatingpopcorn.gif) I don't know about the technological mumbo-jumbo, but what's the motive? Assuming this is the only discrepancy on the OP's profile, would they really have started hacking trophies 13 years ago, guessing trophy leaderboards would eventually become a thing? I dunno, seems far-fetched, but with the Internet, who knows! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Garamoth said: what's the motive? Assuming this is the only discrepancy on the OP's profile, would they really have started hacking trophies 13 years ago, guessing trophy leaderboards would eventually become a thing? I dunno, seems far-fetched, but with the Internet, who knows! Motive is complete irrelevant to the leaderboard rules so it’s not even worth exploring. 3 minutes ago, Garamoth said: What's the burden of proof? Burden of proof is showing it’s possible to earn the trophies in the timestamps order on the profile without breaking leaderboard rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizztec Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) I checked out the BLES_00308 version and it also says 02.4200. The only thing different is it says version 01.00. Edited July 3, 2022 by Mizztec 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskdocx Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Is it at all possible, given the OP was 13 at the time, that he simply played the game on a different account and transferred the save over to his user, hence the auto-pop? May not have even realized this was an issue, and not an intentionally nefarious action, but almost a decade later can't recollect having done that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIOTREK27-1982 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 When you loading up your trophies start with platinum next time. Way funnier that way and don't forget to 100% big ass rpgs that require multiple 200 hour playthroughs in three days. But i digress. Didn't have proper internet till at least 2009, so Uncharted wouldn't ulnock trophies. Game disc didn't have the patch on it, but RE5 i've bought updated my PS3 and i unlocked every trophy offline till i synced it later on. If you say DS has firmware on disc he should have unlocked trophies during 1st playthrough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garamoth Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, DaivRules said: Motive is complete irrelevant to the leaderboard rules so it’s not even worth exploring. So it's strict liability, gotcha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJC_86 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, diskdocx said: Is it at all possible, given the OP was 13 at the time, that he simply played the game on a different account and transferred the save over to his user, hence the auto-pop? May not have even realized this was an issue, and not an intentionally nefarious action, but almost a decade later can't recollect having done that? I wasn't 13 when I got the trophies. I got the trophies 13 years ago so I was 22. But I don't remember playing it first on a different account, but it's possible I did and I'm just misremembering. I thought I started playing it before I even updated my PS3 to support trophies, but I definitely remember trophies autopopping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyleh Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 I've learned quite a few new things thanks to this thread. I rarely get involved in trophy disputes for fear of spreading misinformation, so I'd like to thank everyone for setting me straight. OP, good luck. I have a feeling with all the information the community has dug up on Dead Space and trophy firmware is enough to keep you flagged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Dekaku said: There is also a "fairly easy" way to check, if it was possible to play Dead Space without patching to firmware 2.4. All you need is RPCS3 (open source ps3 emulator, which you can use to play the first two Motorstorm games at 60fps for example), a pre 2.4 firmware (which you can find on ps3devwiki), the game on disc and a compatible Buray drive. If the game boots up, the claims are feasible. If it doesn't, or is unplayable, then his claims should be bogus. Unfortunately, you can't even load the xmb on rpcs3 on firmware lower than 2.80 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suminya Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) Also, just for the record, I tried launching Dead Space on RPCS3 with the highest pre-2.40 firmware installed that I was able to find (2.36). The game actually boots just fine (to my surprise), but throws up an error the moment it tries to install the trophies and won't let you proceed any further. Spoiler So even if you could bypass the firmware check on an actual PS3, the missing trophy system renders Dead Space pretty much unplayable. Edited July 3, 2022 by Suminya 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowxSakura Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Also according to OPs timestamps, OFW update 2.70 had already released before they had played the game https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/2.70_CEX I cannot find any info if this update was mandatory or not https://blog.playstation.com/2009/04/01/ps3-firmware-v270-update/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUDGER666 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 OP says they started a new game, if that's the case the trophies that didn't auto pop would start at the beginning instead of chapter 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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