Suggestion: Allow hiding of spam games

[AffectatiousDonk]

Say what you will about Spam it definitely motivates the masses 

[SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki]

Do not take the following responses personally.

 

26 minutes ago, ExHaseo said:

I have this crazy thing called a life outside of these forums

You're being toxic.

 

26 minutes ago, ExHaseo said:

I was responding to the OP, who said they want to hide the games.

Then quote OP next time, otherwise you're responding to the entire thread. That is how forums work.

 

26 minutes ago, ExHaseo said:

Hiding in this context is the same as removing.

No it's not. That is subjective. And even if it was, it's my client, my view. I should get to decide what I wanna see and what I don't want to see. Or at least, that's what I and many others are requesting.

 

26 minutes ago, ExHaseo said:

No one cares that much about random other people's profiles. People glance at the overall profile, maybe the statistics and/or a specific game or two, and then move on. No one is spending hours deeply analyzing the profile of a stranger.

Tons of people discuss the top leaderboard rankings all the time. The top 100 are under constant scrutiny and examination by many people both in this site, and outside of this site.

 

26 minutes ago, ExHaseo said:

If you want to see someone's full experience, that includes the games you don't like.

I don't want to see someone's full experience. I want to see their interesting games.

 

26 minutes ago, ExHaseo said:

It can't be up to a site to determine what's good or bad because of that subjectivity.

Is there a law that prevents this? Plenty of social media sites decide what is good or bad, acceptable or not. This site is no different. This site belongs to Sly, and is governed by his staff. It is in their right to decide what is good or bad, on their own site that they've spent years moderating and taking care of.

 

26 minutes ago, ExHaseo said:

Also, doujin games are literally just indie games. Being Japanese doesn't magically make them better or even different. A lot of what could be considered garbage shovelware was made by indie Japanese devs.

Doujin games are indie games under different cultural circumstances. I didn't say a game being Japanese makes it better, please do not put words into my mouth. A game being made by Japanese people living in Japan can make it different from indie games made anywhere else because of different cultural experiences, methodologies in game dev pipe line, inspirations, and core audience expectations. 

 

From: https://jrpg.moe/discovering-the-world-of-doujin-games/

"When it comes down to it, there really isn’t any difference in meaning between doujin games and indie games. I’ve seen Japanese publications use the words interchangeably, but to me they each present a slightly different image. The indie moniker itself is a foreign loanword in Japan, so it comes off as something new and sexy. A Japanese indie game isn’t just any old independently-developed title, it’s a fresh, innovative production that’s competitive on the world stage. 

 

On the other hand, the “doujin” label seems to present a rougher image: the less-polished, sometimes-pervy games purely for the domestic audience. While the indie industry is booming and companies are investing heavily in up and coming studios, doujin titles are portrayed as unprofitable products from reclusive creators. Of course, for these hobbyists keeping a low profile is often intentional as doujin titles include fangames in a legal grey area. A Kickstarter campaign for something like MegaMari or Furry Friends Fight would get shut down quicker than you can say “spiritual successor”. It’s only okay when Keiji Inafune does it.

 

It’s easy to see how “doujin” could be used in the pejorative sense as a way of othering Japanese games (kind of like “JRPG”, now that I think of it). But since it’s originally a Japanese term, I see the doujin label as a point of pride: the original way of making indie games. As “indie” studios grow in size and are often backed by major publishers or multimillion dollar crowdfunding campaigns, the tiny teams that still stick around selling their offbeat doujin shmup on a CD-ROM are something of an underdog to root for."

Edited August 5, 2022 by SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki
Added a quote.

[LegendExeter]

I think it's clear when we compare websites to a:

 

Playstation trophies.org

 

or

 

Truetrophies

 

You see a difference between their Home pages and psnprofiles.  It's almost as if this site, while considered by many as the premier trophy site, is actually catering to trophy whores than showcasing the best new games for the playstation, or news articles, we have Jumping Noodles and Roll the Cat.  

 

I just find it amazing, this is the Ford Mustang of trophy sites, yet we advertise 95' Ford Taurus' on the Home Page???  Bad analogy due to years of Models, yet its like showing used cars and hiding what is good, because the spam games are excessive...its ridiculous.

[Ashande]

36 minutes ago, Beyondthegrave07 said:

Fair enough. I hope you didn't read my take as something argumentive or combative towards you because I wasn't trying to be. I was just giving my perspective on your take thinking that "if hitting the nuke button on all these games isn't possible for Sony, what is?"

 

More just thinking out loud on a forum than anything. Haha.

 

No worries! Didn’t take it that way at all!

 

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by Ashande
Fixed weird triple post.

[Leenewbe]

10 hours ago, sephiroth4424 said:

From time to time i read ''Sony doesn't care about trophies, trophy hunters are a tiny % of playstation community etc''

 

I wonder why Sony allows these jumping trash on psn. They cost 1.49-2.99

money

[steel6burgh]

13 hours ago, Sikutai said:

I don't like rainy days and the guy next door is stupid too. I want a filter so I don't have to see the rain and the guy anymore.

 

Blocking out the things you don't like in life would make things easier, but that's just not life. Being an adult means being able to deal with such things.

I kinda would think adults wouldn't play the jumping hot dog games but that just isn't so they do.

[Elliot]

3 hours ago, lcrystal__ said:

Hi y'all,
Just would like to share that I have been working with the team here (specially Dreggit, thanks for our 160+ messages exchanged, 54 pages word document of updates lmao) and IGDB for a bit over a year, trying to add/ correct all the metadata on Playstation games. It has been an herculean job, which I gladly do, but for actual games not cash grabs.  I personally have no desire to work on Jumping Food / Animal Letter / Bible Games, but anyone can contribute to IGDB. *wink wink*

 

I still endeavour to add all Rata and EastAsia titles, though.  And, please, lend me your strengh to face Arcade Archives.... 

 

5 hours ago, BlindMango said:

I agree with this 100%, I brought up the idea weeks ago to Sly to be able to filter out these "games" by default from the new games page and homepage so that we're able to see actual new games again like the page used to be helpful for, I would be absolutely happy to individually tag all of these games manually to be able to clean up the new games page

 

4 hours ago, HusKy said:

 

Good to see you are interested in this feature. Will wait for Sly's reply and depending on that might think about how this can be done within PSNP+ if needed.

 

The absolute heroes we need in this community, thanks again to all of you for the work you do behind the scenes to make our hobby more fun.

 

2 hours ago, BlindMango said:

 

If you were to implement it, I imagine you could use some kind of way to auto-filter some of the games based on the game's name (a lot of these games have a pattern with their name), or any game with 11 gold trophies, things like that. Otherwise it would have to do it manually

 

1 hour ago, HusKy said:

 

I'm not a big fan of filtering based on heuristics as that would most likely lead to some false positives. However, I think if there was someone willing to maintain a master list of shovelware, I could work with that.

 

I can understand being skeptical of heuristics but I do legitimately think that there are several very simple regexes that could capture like 99% of the spam games with a very low risk of false positives. `The \w+ \w` for example.

 

1 hour ago, PalaceOfLove706 said:

Today I learned that somebody ate 15 nuggets in a minute which set the world record. Wouldn’t have learned that without platting The Jumping Nuggets. Why would anyone want to filter out these educational trophy descriptions?

 

I can eat more chicken nuggies than that, I'm pretty sure. (^:

 

1 minute ago, steel6burgh said:

I kinda would think adults wouldn't play the jumping hot dog games but that just isn't so they do.

 

To be honest, there are a lot of people in the trophy hunting community that are legit psychologically addicted to "number go up" and buy games just for that - same kinda reason why people play cookie-clicker style games I guess but in real life. I've been guilty of that myself in the past for sure, I have some garbo on my profile too, but after embarking on what I called "Good Games Only Year" this year, and forcing myself to play only games I want to play for fun and not selecting games based on their trophy lists, has really helped.

 

--

 

I'm really happy with the amount of good quality discussion this topic is getting, thanks to everyone who's participating civilly and providing great input!

[SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki]

3 minutes ago, Elliot said:

To be honest, there are a lot of people in the trophy hunting community that are legit psychologically addicted to "number go up" and buy games just for that

Have you seen Hakoom’s eyes. They’re more sunk in than The Mariana Trench. 

[EightBitArtist]

22 hours ago, Lord_Mgolivets said:

One can always use the rarity leaderboard

 

not really since every user i clicked had a private profile 

[MAUSZX]

Yeah, well as long as peole keep buying poop they will keep making poop.

Your suggestion is not bad, I just don't know how would it work.

[HusKy]

16 minutes ago, Elliot said:

I can understand being skeptical of heuristics but I do legitimately think that there are several very simple regexes that could capture like 99% of the spam games with a very low risk of false positives. `The \w+ \w` for example.

 

Well, maybe this can be solved with uBlock or similar content blocker, not sure.

Just keep in mind the example you provided actually yields a lot of false positives.

[Gommes_]

This feature would be so awesome. These types of trash games are just awful for this site.

[SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki]

10 minutes ago, HusKy said:

Well, maybe this can be solved with uBlock or similar content blocker, not sure.

Just keep in mind the example you provided actually yields a lot of false positives.

The heuristics of it can really mess up the site if done incorrectly. 
 

Seems like we’re leaning towards two different routes:

 

1) Let users block publishers, developers, and games.

or

2) Rely on the Game Info Team to tag these games and hide it from everyone that opt’d in. 
 

I’m more of a fan of option one to be honest. It’s more flexible and customizable per user. @HusKy is a simple block feature possible with what you’re working with? A block button can be placed in the info pages for publishers/devs/games next to where “Add to List” is for games. That list can also possible be maintained in an invisible “List” that can be exported, imported, and shared via Google Drive. 

[PalaceOfLove706]

I think it would be cool having the region stacks grouped together. Definitely would be less clutter. Filtering out publishers entirely seems excessive though. At the end of the day these people went through the approval process to release games and at the end of the day these are games whether or not you deem them spam. Trophy hunters are the only ones buying these games and the publishers have found a niche to make money. If trophy hunters didn’t want easy trophies we wouldn’t have easy trophies. 

[AJ_Radio]

5 hours ago, HusKy said:

 

Good to see you are interested in this feature. Will wait for Sly's reply and depending on that might think about how this can be done within PSNP+ if needed.

You’ve done a great service to this website and I love PSNP+. Hopefully there will be an option of sorts. 
 

We can’t do much of anything regarding Sony, but we can do something on PSNProfiles.

[DeepEyes7]

I'm just happy with this games not appearing in the new trophy list, or at least just one version and not all the stacks... And yeah, I have found some interesting games just checking there from time to time...

[Sunny]

6 hours ago, amurnin100 said:

I suppose it’s cost of living.. people haven’t got money to shell out AAA titles and these cheap games are taking advantage of the current economy of gaming… sooner rather than later ,it will affect the amount of quality games we get…

This just not true, there are sales literally every week with hundreds of games for very affordable prices,  it costs less than a MC Donald's combo, heck I'm Brazilian and I have more games that I can ever finish in my backlog and me and my husband are by no means rich, if you are unaware my country has one of the most draconian taxes on games in the world, now they are offering a service that offers many games for a reasonable price, from indies to AAA, so no these games are not the next affordable thing you just have to spend smart.

[Baker]

Great idea!

 

Now all that’s left to do is to tag @Sly Ripper so he can implement this. Thanks Sly! Hooray!

 

[HusKy]

It's a start...

 

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[Sailar91]

11 minutes ago, HusKy said:

It's a start...

 

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Amazing! Keep it up man, your work is awesome as always 

[AJ_-_808]

18 minutes ago, HusKy said:

It's a start...

 

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I was just about to post the same current (before) picture.  I'm so sick of seeing that crap littering the homepage that I've considered leaving the site to be honest.

 

I really don't care about what other people put on their profiles, but stacks on the homepage is kindof ridiculous 

Edited August 6, 2022 by AJ_-_808

[zulqarmessi]

40 minutes ago, HusKy said:

It's a start...

 

Before:

 

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Thanks Champ ?

[arcanehornet_]

The site suggestions section in the forums has been the most useless thing for years. The last actual update the site was years ago, and even then it was something completely useless no one actually wanted.

 

Sly_Ripper is the administrator here, but all he actually seems to do is collect the money from the premium subscriptions. He could give site permission to someone who actually cares and wants to improve the site like Husky but he can’t even bother to do THAT. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by arcanehornet_

[amurnin100]

51 minutes ago, arcanehornet_ said:

The site suggestions section in the forums has been the most useless thing for years. The last actual update the site was years ago, and even then it was something completely useless no one actually wanted.

 

Sly_Ripper is the administrator here, but all he actually seems to do is collect the money from the premium subscriptions. He could give site permission to someone who actually cares and wants to improve the site like Husky but he can’t even bother to do THAT. 

This should be a topic in itself TBH….

[ScintillaWolf]

On 05/08/2022 at 7:05 PM, SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki said:

Should be 95% completion rate. Any lower and you catch actual games that non-trophy hunters are buying. 

 

I've been searching through this topic trying to find if anyone advocated this as being the cut off. I totally agree. 

 

These games shouldn't even be categorised as EZPZ for me, they're exploitable cash grabs in the same way slot / fruit machines pull in a gambler. The fact that they're all 98/99% suggests the only people playing these are people with such addictions. They need to be abolished.

 

But seeing as I know getting rid of them indefinitely will be nigh on impossible, a filter would be perfect. Especially the idea of compressing the stacks to just show one, unless you go out of your way to click on it.

Edited August 7, 2022 by ScintillaWolf