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Suggestion: Allow hiding of spam games

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7 hours ago, SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki said:

Thank you for even thinking about this!

 

Tallying up bounties users in this thread have considered offering (if you still want to, I’m not gunna hassle you or force you at all):

@Elliot: €50

@SakiSakiSakiSakiSaki: $50

@mackenzie129: €10

 

If anyone else wants to be a little charitable to Husky for his hard work, let me know and I’ll add your name too.

 

His BMAC page he linked in his PSNP+ thread: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/HusKyCode

 

Settled up Mr. @HusKy privately man of my word 

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sony always chasing that $$$ 

it's funny how sony has become what xbox was last gen

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1 minute ago, swagdonald445 said:

sony always chasing that $$$ 

it's funny how sony has become what xbox was last gen

 

Legitimate questions, here: How is any of this related to Sony “chasing that $$$”? How is this indicative of any similarities to what Microsoft was doing with the Xbox One?

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I'm very happy with the progress.  These games just gotta go.  I'm wondering why if we as profile owners can hide our own trophy lists why can't it be coded so that we just manually can hide the games we don't want to see on the home page?  Kind of like a checkbox to the left of the games where we could hide them and our profile remembers what we have hidden.  

 

Or our own block list of games.

 

I mean if the Staff or Blind Mango is willing to do this then I'm very excited about that.

 

If it's easier to just code the crap games out via psnp+ then I'm good with that as long as psnp + works on android mobile phone.

 

I would probably be willing to PayPal $30 to whomever comes up with a good permanent solution to this site's problems.  That includes to Sly if he does it himself.

 

The other idea I had was just to change the section from New Trophy Lists to code it with psn deals and basically show the highest discounted games by percentage currently.  So if Uncharted is 70% off then that would be the top of list, assasins Creed 50% off, this would suggest conscientious spending from our members with an expensive hobby.

 

Plus those trash games are so cheap, I don't think they ever go on sale!  BOOM!

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18 minutes ago, LegendExeter said:

Or our own block list of games.

Husky seems to be working on it, if he implements it into PSNP+, you can throw your money at him. 

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Suggestion: 

 

Get over it. These games exist and will never go anywhere. I'd like to see 300+ a month just to totally destroy the leaderboards 😂

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1 minute ago, Infected Elite said:

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Get over it. These games exist and will never go anywhere. I'd like to see 300+ a month just to totally destroy the leaderboards 1f602.png

 

You know, part of me is now curious how “destroyed” the leaderboards actually are (at least from buy-a-Platinum games.) If we stripped away all the “trophy trash”- and for the purpose of the exercise, I think it honestly doesn’t matter where you set the bar or definition for that - would the leaderboards would actually significantly change?

 

Personally, I think there might be a bit of a shakeup in the 500-5000 ranks, but I doubt it would have a significant impact on the top dogs or the folks lower ranked than that; those ranked lower than that are unlikely to have a lot of EZPZs, regardless of what one defines that is. Those in the top echelons have plenty of “real” games (and a decade head start, in a lot of instances) that would still give them plenty of points to keep them head and shoulders above the rest. That middle ground, where you find a lot of folks who play (and Plat) “real” games while “juicing” the score or manipulating the milestones with “trash” seems like it’d be where the effects are felt and changes in rank more meaningful than dropping or shooting up 10-20 ranks would be likely to occur.

 

It would be sort of interesting to see what the reaction would be if folks got their apparent wish and then discovered it didn’t change the rankings in any meaningful way. I wonder what would be the next crusade?

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7 minutes ago, Ashande said:

 

You know, part of me is now curious how “destroyed” the leaderboards actually are (at least from buy-a-Platinum games.) If we stripped away all the “trophy trash”- and for the purpose of the exercise, I think it honestly doesn’t matter where you set the bar or definition for that - would the leaderboards would actually significantly change?

 

Personally, I think there might be a bit of a shakeup in the 500-5000 ranks, but I doubt it would have a significant impact on the top dogs or the folks lower ranked than that; those ranked lower than that are unlikely to have a lot of EZPZs, regardless of what one defines that is. Those in the top echelons have plenty of “real” games (and a decade head start, in a lot of instances) that would still give them plenty of points to keep them head and shoulders above the rest. That middle ground, where you find a lot of folks who play (and Plat) “real” games while “juicing” the score or manipulating the milestones with “trash” seems like it’d be where the effects are felt and changes in rank more meaningful than dropping or shooting up 10-20 ranks would be likely to occur.

 

It would be sort of interesting to see what the reaction would be if folks got their apparent wish and then discovered it didn’t change the rankings in any meaningful way. I wonder what would be the next crusade?

 

i think they'd change a bit, but honestly, while trophy hunting can be fun, itd be nice for people to get a reality check that trophies aren't everything. Nor are achievements. Games are meant to be fun 

 

Also as Saki said, the top leaderboards are more so teams. Multiple users on multiple consoles at once. Running around the clock. 

 

Which still is to me irrelevant. If people want to have a team unlock trophies, fine. Doesnt take any fun away from my gaming so i don't care.

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39 minutes ago, Infected Elite said:

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Get over it. These games exist and will never go anywhere. I'd like to see 300+ a month just to totally destroy the leaderboards 1f602.png

Leaderboards are already complete shit and totally useless unless you are in the Top 10 or something or you buy these "games" all the time.

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1 minute ago, KenjiCBZ said:

Leaderboards are already complete shit and totally useless unless you are in the Top 10 or something or you buy these "games" all the time.

 

i know. That's why I laugh when certain people here whine constantly. 

 

Trophies don't mean shit

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7 minutes ago, KenjiCBZ said:

Leaderboards are already complete shit and totally useless unless you are in the Top 10 or something or you buy these "games" all the time.

Top 10 is actually even more useless because it's a matter of who has more people and more money. Has nothing to do with skill, experience, or mechanical understanding.

Either way, I fucking hate having my eyes assaulted with shitty games on an otherwise useful site. Leaderboards or not.

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2 hours ago, LegendExeter said:

[...] I'm wondering why if we as profile owners can hide our own trophy lists why can't it be coded so that we just manually can hide the games we don't want to see on the home page?  Kind of like a checkbox to the left of the games where we could hide them and our profile remembers what we have hidden.  

 

Or our own block list of games.

 

I mean if the Staff or Blind Mango is willing to do this then I'm very excited about that.

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Except that we can’t hide our lists or profiles on this end, we have to do it from our PSN account, through the privacy settings.

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On 08/08/2022 at 8:37 AM, Ashande said:

 

Legitimate questions, here: How is any of this related to Sony “chasing that $$$”? How is this indicative of any similarities to what Microsoft was doing with the Xbox One?


Why do you think sony allow developers to release the SAME game in 10 different regions and have separate PS4/PS5 trophy lists with no cross buy???

It's all money in their pockets. 

XBOX has NEVER done anything as close to as bad as this. Even further, they actually curate their store in 2022 and don't let utterly rubbish spam trash (i refuse t o call them games) flood their marketplace.

Ultimately, SONY are 100% responsible for EVERYTHING that goes on their marketplace. It stops with them, not the devs. The devs would stop releasing this rubbish if sony just didnt allow it on their store but theyre so money hungry now $20, is $20.  

You can't even use the "new releases" anymore because it just lists the same game in 5 diferent regions over and over.

 I remember the days when Sony was the premium console with some quality control. 

You know sony has dropped the fucking ball when people are writing scripts to block rubbish release games from clogging up their feed and storefront.

WTF has happened?

 

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2 hours ago, swagdonald445 said:


Why do you think sony allow developers to release the SAME game in 10 different regions and have separate PS4/PS5 trophy lists with no cross buy???

It's all money in their pockets. 

XBOX has NEVER done anything as close to as bad as this. Even further, they actually curate their store in 2022 and don't let utterly rubbish spam trash (i refuse t o call them games) flood their marketplace.

Ultimately, SONY are 100% responsible for EVERYTHING that goes on their marketplace. It stops with them, not the devs. The devs would stop releasing this rubbish if sony just didnt allow it on their store but theyre so money hungry now $20, is $20.  

You can't even use the "new releases" anymore because it just lists the same game in 5 diferent regions over and over.

 I remember the days when Sony was the premium console with some quality control. 

You know sony has dropped the fucking ball when people are writing scripts to block rubbish release games from clogging up their feed and storefront.

WTF has happened?

 

 

Sony collecting their cut for sales on their storefront is a different claim than Sony “chasing that $$$.” The latter implies that Sony is not just allowing it, but actively endorsing or encouraging it. You can play the “silence gives consent” card if you like, but I still think it’s a far cry from the hyperbole your statement implies. That’s aside that the amount they’d be making would be a small percentage of the sticker price per sale, and skimming through the titles on this site, each one claims around 1,300-1,900 owners. Being extremely generous, they might make around $10,000 - and that’s assuming they’re clearing $1 or more per sale, which I doubt, since that would be between 33%-75% of the sale price of each of these games - per game once you factor in all stacks. Sure, it sounds like a lot of money, but realistically, that’s chump change in the big picture.

 

You still didn’t explain how that’s tied to Microsoft during the XB1’s life cycle, which becomes even more suspect when you immediately whip around and claim that MS “actually curates their store.” Further, so far as how they “don’t let utterly rubbish spam trash” on there, well… they might not have Jumping Nuggets TURBO, but they certainly allowed War Gods Zeus of Child on there, so their approval standards might not be as stringent as you think.

 

I find it interesting that you claim Sony are the money hungry ones and act as though the devs are innocent little lambikins. You also seem to exclude the players who continually throw their money at the trash from the blame game. If people would stop buying it, then nobody would make any money, and it would all go away. There’s blame enough for everyone.

 

All that being said, it sounds like you want some gatekeepers. Which I do not inherently disagree with. But as I’ve asked before, both in this thread and elsewhere, who makes the calls? What criteria get used? What happens when someone decides to throw a tantrum because their software didn’t make the cut - whatever the reason - and who gets the blame, then? With the attitudes that have risen around this issue - and with social media in general - adding gatekeeping now is opening up all kinds of new and fascinating - potentially litigious - issues.

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2 hours ago, Ashande said:

 

Sony collecting their cut for sales on their storefront is a different claim than Sony “chasing that $$$.” The latter implies that Sony is not just allowing it, but actively endorsing or encouraging it. You can play the “silence gives consent” card if you like, but I still think it’s a far cry from the hyperbole your statement implies. That’s aside that the amount they’d be making would be a small percentage of the sticker price per sale, and skimming through the titles on this site, each one claims around 1,300-1,900 owners. Being extremely generous, they might make around $10,000 - and that’s assuming they’re clearing $1 or more per sale, which I doubt, since that would be between 33%-75% of the sale price of each of these games - per game once you factor in all stacks. Sure, it sounds like a lot of money, but realistically, that’s chump change in the big picture.

 

You still didn’t explain how that’s tied to Microsoft during the XB1’s life cycle, which becomes even more suspect when you immediately whip around and claim that MS “actually curates their store.” Further, so far as how they “don’t let utterly rubbish spam trash” on there, well… they might not have Jumping Nuggets TURBO, but they certainly allowed War Gods Zeus of Child on there, so their approval standards might not be as stringent as you think.

 

I find it interesting that you claim Sony are the money hungry ones and act as though the devs are innocent little lambikins. You also seem to exclude the players who continually throw their money at the trash from the blame game. If people would stop buying it, then nobody would make any money, and it would all go away. There’s blame enough for everyone.

 

All that being said, it sounds like you want some gatekeepers. Which I do not inherently disagree with. But as I’ve asked before, both in this thread and elsewhere, who makes the calls? What criteria get used? What happens when someone decides to throw a tantrum because their software didn’t make the cut - whatever the reason - and who gets the blame, then? With the attitudes that have risen around this issue - and with social media in general - adding gatekeeping now is opening up all kinds of new and fascinating - potentially litigious - issues.


I don't mind if people spend $2 a pop on multiple regions and platforms to play 5 minute press X flash games. I'm not gate keeping anyone. 

What I do mind is their store features like upcoming etc are flooded with these shovelware games and I am frequently opening this website to see these ps4,ps5 multi region trash games spamming  the upcoming trophy lists. I recently came back to  try some trophy hunting after moving to PC from the release of PS4. Literally the first week of using my playstation I got fooled by one of these shovel ware games .It showed at the top of the new releases tab, it had a cool icon and the description didn't say anything so I purchased it on a whim. I later found out it was glorified press X game. Not only do they promote these shovel ware games but they don't require people to put anything in their descriptions now so its easy to be fooled.. There is no "silence" here. Ultimately, you could say its my mistake for presuming that Playstation still curated its storefront and cared what games it had on offer but I guess they're chasing every cent they can now. 
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I don't really know anything about xbox one,  but what I do know is Microsoft now smart delivers their games. It's one list, one copy. No thinking or worrying about upgrades. No mistake in buying the wrong version of a game, no auto pop or cross buy upgrade garbage. They also don't allow these press X games....In fact, its how I remember PlayStation being!  What a shock.

It's good to know Sony is now like Microsoft of the xboxone era, I had no idea.  Thanks for letting me know.

 

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There we go guys, just couple hours later, highest 7x combo happened. You love to see it.

 

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Not even steam have these Garbage games and that platform is the king of shovel ware. Do we have a new emperor?
https://ibb.co/Nm3pV0y

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39 minutes ago, swagdonald445 said:


What I do mind is their store features like upcoming etc are flooded with these shovelware games and I am frequently opening this website to see these ps4,ps5 multi region trash games spamming  the upcoming trophy lists. I recently came back to  try some trophy hunting after moving to PC from the release of PS4. Literally the first week of using my playstation I got fooled by one of these shovel ware games .It showed at the top of the new releases tab, it had a cool icon and the description didn't say anything so I purchased it on a whim. I later found out it was glorified press X game. Not only do they promote these shovel ware games but they don't require people to put anything in their descriptions now so its easy to be fooled.. There is no "silence" here. Ultimately, you could say its my mistake for presuming that Playstation still curated its storefront and cared what games it had on offer but I guess they're chasing every cent they can now. 
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I don't really know anything about xbox one,  but what I do know is Microsoft now smart delivers their game. It's one list, one copy. No thinking or worrying about upgrades. No mistake in buying the wrong version of a game, no auto pop or cross buy upgrade garbage. They also don't allow these press X games....In fact, its how I remember PlayStation being!  What a shock.

It's good to know Sony is now like Microsoft of the xboxone era, I had no idea.  Thanks for letting me know.

 


Not even steam have these Garbage games and that platform is the king of shovel ware. Do we have a new emperor?
https://ibb.co/Nm3pV0y

 

As regards the store features: You say you “got fooled.” What game did the fooling? Disco Cannon Airlines? Looking at the description, looks like fairly obvious trophy trash to me; poor grammar, single sentence description, vague as all hell. There’s a video that shows a minute and a half of gameplay that looks incredibly basic and lacking in any detail, alongside a handful of screenshots that all look the same. If you looked at all that, said “looks good, chief” and bought it, then felt “fooled” when you got an incredibly basic game that handed the trophies out in three minutes, I don’t know what to tell you. But so far as Sony “promoting” it, showing up in the New Releases tab isn’t promotion. It means it’s a new release. Every single game shows up there, and will be the top square for at least the first few seconds of its life. You say there’s no silence, but you also say Sony doesn’t say or do anything about this, so which is it? Or are you claiming they’re not “silent” because you have convinced yourself that they’re promoting this crap despite it not showing up in any of the curated sections of the store (which, if you weren’t aware, do exist. They’re under the “Collections” tab of the storefront.)

 

If you don’t know anything about Xbox One, then why (in the original post that I responded to) did you claim “it’s funny that Sony has become what Xbox was last gen?” You think they’ve become something that you have no experience with and can’t explain how they became it? That’s a fascinating statement. Then you somehow claim I “let you know” that… how, precisely? What comparison was made? How did I let you know something so you could make a statement before I’d responded to you?

 

Smart delivery vs. the PS4/PS5 upgrade system (or the PS3/PS4/PS Vita Cross Buy system that preceded it) is an interesting topic, and I do think Sony could stand to take a page from Microsoft’s book on that count… but has only minimal relation to the trophy trash games, Paying $10 to upgrade Death Stranding or Ghost of Tsushima (and getting extra content in the bargain) or sticking my Assassin’s Creed: Valhalla or Yakuza: Like a Dragon PS4 disc in the drive and having the option to download the PS5 version instead doesn’t really seem to be on topic, here (plus, they’re not really spamming the store and cluttering up the tabs; there’s only two versions of each of them, both clearly marked, one for PS4 and one for PS5.) If you have issues with auto pops or cross-buy, that’s an entirely separate argument. So far as “buying the wrong version,” the store has icons all over to tell you what version(s) you’re getting, with a drop down box to change it if you started off by clicking on the wrong one. (That’s also where they hide the Collector’s, Digital Deluxe, Ultimate, GOTY, etc versions; shall we get rid of those, too, to make it less confusing?)

 

You’re all over the place, and not making any sense, to say nothing of how far afield from the topic we’ve gone at this point.

 

And your parting shot (complete with screenshot showing Steam didn’t have that specific title) doesn’t show… anything of value. Steam still has bucketloads of garbage, orders of magnitude more than PS4/5 and Switch combined. Just search the word “clicker” or “Sakura” and you’ll find plenty. The lack of Xump Jump specifically doesn’t really mean much.

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Personally I say just delete the leaderboard page entirely, especially now as they are tarnished with people who only play garbage wank fuck trash 'games'. Trophies shouldn't be competitive, so there wasn't really a need for leaderboards in the first place. And now that they're redundant, just delete it, the competitive nature of it lies solely within these gash 'games'!

 

I imagine that's something only Sly could ever do, but if it was up to me, those leaderboards would have left quicker than the wives of those with The Pig P plats. 

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