willows_blessing Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, steel6burgh said: do you really think people like jumping hotdog? It takes 2 minutes to get the platinums are you trying to tell me that people play those games past that for their enjoyment? I think you should try to evaluate the situation better instead of just worrying so much about being judged on PSN profiles. Nobody knows who you are everyone knows you as your screen name and nothing more. It's not about judgments it's about creating a proper leaderboard for everyone to enjoy so why not have two leaderboards one for rarity and one for quantity? What about poor people who can afford to waste thousands of dollars on jumping hotdog games over the years to compete for the leeboard are you judging them because they don't have as many platinums as you? It's not about judging it's about bettering the site! But thats the thing 90% of this site doesnt care about people who play the trashy shovelware games that are a easy plat, the biggest annoyance with them is their hogging of the new games list. Why do you care so much about people buying trashy 2$ games for trophies? The "situation" of ezpz plats being a issue is just made up because people are insecure that people can get higher on a leaderboard that doesn't matter by spending money on easy games. If there was a leaderboard for rarity it would have the exact same problem as the normal one, getting rare trophies isint the most difficult thing in the world just go to any popular multiplayer game and get all the collectibles in the campaign thats usually enough for a ultra rare. The basic thing is if you add another leaderboard for rarity people will still complain about people buying 5$ unknown games for a "ezpz ultra rare platinum" its better to just ignore it as if this new leaderboard is added itll only cause more threads atune to "we need a leaderboard for actually hard ultra rares" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 I think this kind of post is just bait, it's not possible for these people to think such a stupid thing for real wtf... just stop and think for 2 minutes before proposing something like that smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurnin100 Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: This thread isn’t suggesting a Rarity Leaderboard - it’s suggesting a binary system, whereby profiles over a certain rarity are given a publicly visible Scarlet Letter, to make other people with lower average rarities feel better about themselves by comparison. I have some rare games, and I have lots of incredibly not-rare games. That’s what happens when you play what you want to play, and don’t give a good goddamn about the rarity of thier trophies. If you and your rarity-fetish brethren find that so offensive that you want the site to “brand” my profile with your Red Mark of Shame, I don’t really give a toss… …it won’t change the games I play - or have the (presumably intended) effect of making me feel bad about my choice of entertainment… …but, I am a site user and a site supporter, and it certainly wouldn’t make me feel like the site had been made “better” by it. Thank you for better explaining it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashande Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) “Branding” someone isn’t going to accomplish anything except increase elitism and bickering from both sides of the divide. That isn’t “bettering” the site. That’s aside from the fact that you can usually take a quick scroll through a profile, color-coded or not, and know what’s up, if you care. What would be the actual point? So far as other solutions, I don’t have any. A “rarity leaderboard” would be just as manipulated as the current one. Go find something that was offered on PS+ but wasn’t a stellar triple-A title, play it for an hour, pickup a few Ultra Rares. Easy. (For example: The Swindle’s “You’re A Mean One.” Some basic clock manipulation, and presto, a 2.32% trophy.) You can accomplish the same with free-to-play or VR titles (check the rarities on Borderlands 2 VR or Knights of Valor, for example.) Or picking the “right” stack of a game. Or, as others have noted, pick up something most people play for the multiplayer, then actually do the campaign. Sure, they take a little more homework and effort than pressing X for 3 minutes, but where there’s a will, there’s a way, and there is always the will to climb a leaderboard regardless of how pointless, not indicative of the actual skill supposedly being measured, or finessed it may be. All of that is aside from some trophies that most would likely consider “worthy” that are more common than you’d think, either due to popularity and FOMO or a niche fanbase; Demon’s Souls and Sekiro are both around 27%; Elden Ring is at 44%. Actually, I have one simple solution: Let it be. People want to spend their cash to inflate imaginary numbers in some kind of race to the bottom? Let ‘em. Edited August 6, 2022 by Ashande Addendum regarding trophy rarity on Soulslikes 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steel6burgh Posted August 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrBloodmoney said: This thread isn’t suggesting a Rarity Leaderboard - it’s suggesting a binary system, whereby profiles over a certain rarity are given a publicly visible Scarlet Letter, to make other people with lower average rarities feel better about themselves by comparison. I have some rare games, and I have lots of incredibly not-rare games. That’s what happens when you play what you want to play, and don’t give a good goddamn about the rarity of thier trophies. If you and your rarity-fetish brethren find that so offensive that you want the site to “brand” my profile with your Red Mark of Shame, I don’t really give a toss… …it won’t change the games I play - or have the (presumably intended) effect of making me feel bad about my choice of entertainment… …but, I am a site user and a site supporter, and it certainly wouldn’t make me feel like the site had been made “better” by it. fair enough. thanks for setting me straight on everything. just so you know i don't give a shit about other peoples rarity of trophies. I just refuse to believe anybody is playing jumping hotdogs for enjoyment and if you're trying to make that argument then I call bullshit. Some of the RATA games possibly but this latest wave of bs not a single person is doing it for that reason. If you don't think having multiple leaderboards which evidently based on the response to all these threads would make a lot of people happy wouldn't be better than I question that. Anything that caters to the wants and desires of more people would be better. No reason why the site can't take into account multiple prespectives on a leaderboards instead of catering to the jumping hot dog crowd. And I never said anything about branding your profile. I have always found you to play both sides of an argument over the course of time to have something to debate. Rather than take a stance and always stick to it you may tend to side with one side of the argument and switch course if you feel you can dig in with a good debate for the other side. Your account hardly fits the profile of an account that would be branded as a trophy whore type account anyway so really don't see where you are getting defensive about that. So you wouldn't like to see a filter or see multiple leaderboard I get it but doing what you want isn't the only thing that will make PSN profiles better. Edited August 6, 2022 by steel6burgh 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel6burgh Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 7 hours ago, DrBloodmoney said: The only measure of an account worth more than a warm bucket of spit, is whether the player enjoyed the games they played. If someone plays games because they enjoy games, then that’s a good profile - and rarity has sweet fuck all to do with that. Any other measurement is just theatre in the mind of the beholder. I actually enjoyed space overlords. Why are you being so judgmental? I'm not in a safe place anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurnin100 Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, steel6burgh said: I actually enjoyed space overlords. Why are you being so judgmental? I'm not in a safe place anymore. I did too, apart from the grind… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, steel6burgh said: I actually enjoyed space overlords. Why are you being so judgmental? I'm not in a safe place anymore. 6 minutes ago, amurnin100 said: I did too, apart from the grind… Well… good? Someone had to, I suppose! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiopile Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Its a bad idea basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datboy1991 Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) TrueTrophies has a pretty solid system for assigning points to trophies based on rarity as well as the PSN points assignment (bronze through platinum). If that is an idea that interests you, you should check it out. It still suffers from EZ overload just because of the sheer number of those games, but rarer games are worth considerably more than spam. The UI on your profile or within specific games is not as friendly or organized as PSNProfiles, which is one of the only reasons I haven't left this site entirely to be perfectly honest. As for suggestions on this site, both sides of pretty much every debate are firmly entrenched and will repeat the same points ad nauseum. If you care about the main leaderboard and want to be competitive, stacking easy games is the only way to go about it. Why put 50 hours into a plat when you could get 6 plats in less than an hour that are each worth the same number of points as that 50-hour game? The only other leaderboards to really be competitive with are first achievers and speedrun leaderboards, but both of those are messy for reasons too tangential to get into here. The rarity leaderboard exists but is so poorly maintained that it's not even advertised on the site's UI, and you have to type a special URL to get to it. Clearly the members of this community have some level of competitiveness, or else there wouldn't be leaderboards at all. However, when the topic of competition turns to rarity, people get really sensitive and uncomfortable. This site very much caters to certain types of trophy hunters, and if you aren't one of those types, you are an ugly, dirty elitist and must be shameful of the fact that you want features that help track your goals and interests. This thread is the perfect example, as several have used the prosect of potential shaming to engage in actual shaming of community members. 9 hours ago, MonaSaxPayne said: because no matter how many times u explain it, the mathematically challenged don't understand there is no correlation between rarity and difficulty A mathematically challenged person might think that correlation is an absolute and that not having 100% correlation means there is zero correlation, but of course you're not mathematically challenged so you would understand why this comment is, at best, misleading. Edited August 7, 2022 by Datboy1991 Cleaned up the phrasing a bit 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AffectatiousDonk Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) One of the most interesting stats available is on True Trophies filter leaderboard by True Trophy Score then Unique Games. It removes the stacks and gives you a true indication of ranking. Based on Rarity and only 1 stack of each game. I wouldn’t mind seeing that here of course I also wouldn’t mind a PS5 equivalent in performance to the Xbox Series X ………. Edited August 7, 2022 by AffectatiousDonk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel6burgh Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, AffectatiousDonk said: One of the most interesting stats available is on True Trophies filter leaderboard by True Trophy Score then Unique Games. It removes the stacks and gives you a true indication of ranking. Based on Rarity and only 1 stack of each game. I wouldn’t mind seeing that here of course I also wouldn’t mind a PS5 equivalent in performance to the Xbox Series X ………. Wish I could log into true trophies I lost access to the email I used for that site and forgot my password. I guess I signed up for it when I 1st started trophy hunting 6 years ago. i guess there is no way to reset my account and start over. Loosing both password and email i have no idea what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonaSaxPayne Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Datboy1991 said: A mathematically challenged person might think that correlation is an absolute and that not having 100% correlation means there is zero correlation, but of course you're not mathematically challenged so you would understand why this comment is, at best, misleading. I sneezed this morning and then rain started pouring this afternoon they must be correlated! Edited August 7, 2022 by MonaSaxPayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datboy1991 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, MonaSaxPayne said: I sneezed this morning and then rain started pouring this afternoon my immune system must be correlated to weather patterns! If you thought this was some sort of epic takedown or that you in any way helped your case here, then ohhhhhhh dear. Let's take your morning sneeze. First of all, bless you. If we wanted to see if there was a correlation or if this was just a coincidence, we would test this against other occurrences of you sneezing. There might be no correlation, a weak correlation, or a strong correlation. There are quantitative ways to measure this. It's not a dichotomy where two things either are or are not correlated: it's a spectrum. Evidence of correlation (or lack thereof) gets stronger with the sample size. A sample size of one is almost never strong enough to suggest a correlation. Your sarcasm is noted, but you really are missing the point. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonaSaxPayne Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Datboy1991 said: There might be no correlation, a weak correlation, or a strong correlation. There are quantitative ways to measure this. It's not a dichotomy where two things either are or are not correlated: it's a spectrum. Evidence of correlation (or lack thereof) gets stronger with the sample size. A sample size of one is almost never strong enough to suggest a correlation. Your sarcasm is noted, but you really are missing the point. sarcasm aside.. I actually agree with everything u said here u can objectively measure rarity. its simply the number of people who played a game relative to the number of people who finished it u can't objectively measure difficulty. but for arguments sake lets use the "objective" measure of the difficulty posted in the guide I can't speak for other people, but thinking about it, I consider things correlated when they have a STRONG relationship to each other. otherwise technically "anything" could be deemed to be correlated, even if its a one off occurrence. as u mentioned... correlation exists on a spectrum there are many instances where difficult games have a high rarity, difficult games have a low rarity, easy games have a high rarity, and easy games have a low rarity. as such, where is the STRONG correlation between difficulty and rarity? maybe someone with obvious time on their hands, instead of trying to shame other ppl's profile, can instead plot a rarity vs difficulty curve, so we can conclusively determine just how correlated these 2 factors are. it would certainly make for better reading and discussion than these whiny gatekeeper, profile shaming topics that pop up all the time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datboy1991 Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, MonaSaxPayne said: sarcasm aside.. I actually agree with everything u said here u can objectively measure rarity. its simply the number of people who played a game relative to the number of people who finished it u can't objectively measure difficulty. but for arguments sake lets use the "objective" measure of the difficulty posted in the guide I can't speak for other people, but thinking about it, I consider things correlated when they have a STRONG relationship to each other. otherwise technically "anything" could be deemed to be correlated, even if its a one off occurrence. as u mentioned... correlation exists on a spectrum there are many instances where difficult games have a high rarity, difficult games have a low rarity, easy games have a high rarity, and easy games have a low rarity. as such, where is the STRONG correlation between difficulty and rarity? maybe someone with obvious time on their hands, instead of trying to shame other ppl's profile, can instead plot a rarity vs difficulty curve, so we can conclusively determine just how correlated these 2 factors are. it would certainly make for better reading and discussion than these whiny gatekeeper, profile shaming topics that pop up all the time now If your sample size is just major titles, the correlation is probably not that strong for a host of reasons. But adding all games on the website means you include the 90%, 1/10 titles. There are thousands of these games now. My instinct is that the correlation will still be decently strong, but I'm not pulling every difficulty rating off of every guide on this website to find out. We need to get out of the shame mindset in general IMO. Think about speedrun leaderboards for AAA games. They'll have glitched and glitchless categories, categories for full game runs or specific missions, or segments of the game. Those categories exist because people take an interest in different aspects of the hobby-not everybody focuses on one thing. Now I'm not advocating for a badge of shame on everyone's profile. But there are different kinds of trophy hunters. There are people who hunt based on quantity, rarity, completion percentage. There are trophy hunters who try to complete collections of games. There are trophy hunters who speedrun. There are some who dabble in everything. The inclusion of features to help a sub-community shouldn't be seen as an affront to those who don't want to participate. Completion percentage is already prominently displayed on profiles and you don't see any forum posts about that being elitist, even though it is a form of elitism. People who don't care about it just ignore it and enjoy the features they do feel strongly about. This is a thing we can do. There's an element of frustration for sure. Every time this topic comes up in any form, it gets aggressively shouted down. Some members of the community have done some incredible things and it would be cool to highlight them. Go check out @SlimSanta94's profile when you have a chance. Or @Sergen. Both have an insane collection of rare plats. Neither places that highly on the regular leaderboard though, because the regular leaderboard only looks at one thing. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ_Radio Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Just put the average rarity statistic back on the main page on peoples profiles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendExeter Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) On 8/6/2022 at 8:42 AM, dzstrpc said: What if someone has played the same games as you and earned the same trophies from them as you, but also played 500+ ezpzs? Should your account be praised and theirs shamed? Yes Actually I don't get this at all. The leaderboard is already there showing who has played the most trash on the top of the list. Therefore all the typical trophy hunters would basically get their own list based on rarity of trophies collected. It's not really shaming one, and praising the other. It's more like showing a second list for different trophy hunters who don't buy trash games. It actually seems pretty equal to me. Edited August 8, 2022 by LegendExeter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzstrpc Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 On 2022-08-08 at 4:55 AM, LegendExeter said: It's not really shaming one, and praising the other. Believe me, I'm all for a Rarity Leaderboard. The more statistics the better. I even have an idea of a leaderboard that will always have the one with the most ultra rares at the top. I'm hesitant about making a suggestion thread about it though, what's the point really, nothing changes around here. What I reacted about in OPs post was his idea of colorcoding accounts, which to me is naming and shaming, and against site rules. So I don't think his suggestion will lead to anything?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendExeter Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, dzstrpc said: Believe me, I'm all for a Rarity Leaderboard. The more statistics the better. I even have an idea of a leaderboard that will always have the one with the most ultra rares at the top. I'm hesitant about making a suggestion thread about it though, what's the point really, nothing changes around here. What I reacted about in OPs post was his idea of colorcoding accounts, which to me is naming and shaming, and against site rules. So I don't think his suggestion will lead to anything?! Yeah it probably won't, I've seen no siginificant changes on this site in over a year, so I look at the Suggestions Section as more of a "dreamers" area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku_Darkness Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 My problem with the leaderboards is, that accounts dont get removed, when more than 1 people working on an account. Like games that are a 500 hours platinum and the 500 hours are played straight without sleeping time... nothing. This "groupe" has 21 days in a 500 hour platinum. GG. Nobody believes you play 21 days straight without sleeping, pausing and shitting (lol). This go even more crazy, when 2+ consoles was played at the same time. Like 4 people sitting on 6 consoles. This is not how leaderboards works. Sometimes i believe, they are some crazy dudes sitting in a big hall and have tons of games ready just to create an account, do everything is possible just for trolling us. If they get banned/removed, they create a new account and rise in the leaderboards again. Thanks god, i dont really care about my rank. For me just 100% my games are important. I dont do this for flexing or my p**** size. I dont do this for the GGs from the community. Its nice to get all the congratulatios, but more important is the fun while playing and find new friends. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEMONICRUBLE18 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 So I read some posts skimmed others skipped some entirely, too tired to read everything, but I do like the idea of an additional rarity Leaderboard and another one for removing stacks, but in addition to what we already have also in answer to some comments about ezpz games taking over, atm I'm working on PS3 games trying to get first on every Leaderboard for my country and working on PS3 first, anyway I'm starting off with easier games and one of the ways I've been doing that is looking at the percentage complete and for a the first few pages it makes sense in essence of easy games then you see something like Dark Soul's pop up with a higher completion rate than say Ben 10, I haven't played a souls game beyond about 10 minutes in Demons Souls but I do know that their bloody hard but people enjoy them alot hence the high completion rate, point is that this idea of the color coding wouldn't work not just because it's a form of discrimination against people who enjoy easy games but because it could target people who just enjoy popular games that have a high completion rate, in addition to that, the ezpz games can be alot of fun I have rather enjoyed the ones I've played so far, but I've also enjoyed everything else I've played, in response to Leaderboard positions I've noticed that most people only focus on either one or the other ezpz only or avoid them completely, while I do think people who stick to ezpz games are missing out on some other great games I think the people who don't play them are also missing out on some pretty fun games. At the end of everything we're gamers trophy hunters and people just let everyone enjoy what they do with no judgments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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El Duderino Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Riku_Darkness said: My problem with the leaderboards is, that accounts dont get removed, when more than 1 people working on an account. There's no way to find out if an account is used by multiple people. Plus, who the fuck cares? The massive influx of shovelware has made trophies more worthless than they already have been. Play for fun and stop caring about things not worth wasting a thought about. Videogames are meant to be fun, a means to kill time. Rankings on some private website, abandoned by its owner... Jesus, who cares? Edited August 10, 2022 by R4M Razr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakeUpHP Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) On 7/8/2022 at 5:25 AM, Datboy1991 said: There's an element of frustration for sure. Every time this topic comes up in any form, it gets aggressively shouted down. This is what I don't understand when it comes to this topic. Clearly a decent percentage of the users of the site would like to see some kind of rarity-based leaderboard. The reasons for this seem manifold - sense of competition, desire for challenge, the perception that the main leaderboard has become compromised due to the quantity of shovelware games, and undoubtedly some elitism. None of these reasons should really matter though; such a leaderboard wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) have any impact on the current leaderboard, or people's profiles more generally. So why oppose it so vehemently if you can simply choose to ignore it in the unlikely event it ever were implemented? The arguments against it are very flimsy: That rarity is not correlated with difficulty. (Difficulty is definitely one of the factors that impacts rarity, perhaps the second most important factor after length) That people will just abuse the system by playing old PSN+ games, games with tacked on MP, or VR titles. (OK... so let them?) That people are taking trophies too seriously and the leaderboards are meaningless anyway. (I happen to think this myself, but there are a significant number of people who like the competition and orderliness of leaderboards, so this is not a valid argument against it) That it promotes elitism. (So does any leaderboard) There are obviously debates to be had regarding how to best implement it, what formula to use etc, and I personally don't like OP's suggestions, but the reasons provided against such a leaderboard in this thread are not at all compelling and seem to boil down to "I personally don't want or care about such a leaderboard, therefore it shouldn't be implemented". I think the conversation is academic in any case, since it's unlikely to be implemented by the site admin and as far as I know Husky isn't interested either... Edited August 10, 2022 by WakeUpHP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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