"Press X For Trophies" Coming to PSN

[IBadDriverI]

Maybe a new working title for Silent Hill by Hideo Kojima?

Edited August 8, 2022 by IBadDriverI

[SlippingJimy]

8 hours ago, Tempestad_cl said:

I would like to know which user made this, because I'm sure someone from here did it ?

 

I'm pretty convinced it's someone here also, great way to bring  attention to the issue.

 

Can't beat em join em and take the piss at same time  

I'll definitely buy the limited run physical copy version if it comes out.

Edited August 8, 2022 by SlipingJimmy

[willmill97]

Fuck these bastard games. 

 

EDIT: And people who play them are UNcool cucumbers.

Edited August 8, 2022 by willmill97

[AlphaLiquid-X]

5 hours ago, AJ_Radio said:

Unless you’ve been asleep for the past year, it’s pretty obvious that the front page is loaded with stacks of five minute games. 
 

Quality control is clearly lost on Sony, because they need to satisfy their corporate executives with endless pockets of money.

Of course it’s obvious. That’s why I specifically said it’s an issue. But we don’t know that *this* game will be one of those games. It could be blatant garbage, or it could be good satire. But we won’t *know* until we see more of the game than just a blurb. 

[The Alchemist]

5 hours ago, AJ_Radio said:

Quality control is clearly lost on Sony, because they need to satisfy their corporate executives with endless pockets of money.

 

Sony takes 30% from purchases on the PlayStation Store. These games usually cost $0.99-$5 and they only ever sell a few thousand at the most. Sony really isn't making anything off these games lmao. It's not that deep. These are indie games and indie devs in the eyes of Sony. They have zero reason to block them from selling on the store.

 

46 minutes ago, VeldinX said:

I actually agree with @AJ_Radio. This is ultimately down to Sony. Every shop, physical or digital, has standards and curates their wares. If a product is deemed poor quality, insulting to the consumer or even just doesn’t align with the retailer’s brand values, it won’t be stocked. I mean we’ve all watched The Apprentice right? The behind-the-scenes look at product pitches to retail. They are strict.

 

You can’t really blame the people who buy these “games” (obviously they’re making poor choices but each to their own) nor the devs who make them. Again, very poor show, but they’re just making a living with an easy and lucrative market. 

 

Ever check out Steam? Maybe you should. There's a big difference between digital storefronts and physical retail stores. No digital platform holder has any sort of quality control. People get up in arms about these games saying Sony should do something to stop them but there are bigger things to worry about like €60/€70 AAA games that are completely broken at launch, or filled with insidious microtransactions, or straight up missing content that was promised before launch, yet I never see the same passion around here when it comes to those games. The furore is only ever centered around these trash dollar games. 

 

"You can’t really blame the people who buy these games” 

 

Yes. Yes you can. These people need to take some personal responsibility. I'm sick to death of the addiction card being played as an excuse. These people know exactly what they're buying into. These games wouldn't exist if there wasn't a market for them. 

 

"...nor the devs who make them." 

 

Again, yes you can. Much like the individual user, these developers also need to take some responsibility. They're putting out trash, zero effort products for a quick buck. Yeah they're just making a living, but there are better ways to do so than simply taking the quick and easy route. Why not aim to make games that people actually care about? That'd be too much effort for these leeches. 

 

Just one of these days I'd like someone to explain in detail how Sony should go about moderating the PlayStation Store. Because a lot of people seem to suggest quality control but they never actually stop to think about the potential issues that come along with that. 

[DrBloodmoney]

8 minutes ago, AlphaLiquid-X said:

Of course it’s obvious. That’s why I specifically said it’s an issue. But we don’t know that *this* game will be one of those games. It could be blatant garbage, or it could be good satire. But we won’t *know* until we see more of the game than just a blurb. 

 

Perfectly possible that it's smart satire, that's true.

 

Thing about satire, of course, is that there will always be a portion of the audience who don't get the satire, and end up become a part of it.

 

Remember when Ali G satirised the moronic elements of youth culture... and that same element of youth culture it was satirising just embraced him?

Or when Duke Nukem satirised the idiotic action staples... and some portion of the audience just thought he was "cool", and not a joke poking fun at those action staples?

Or when The Office first aired, and some people were seriously asking why the company would allow that documentary to come out, since it showed their employees in such a bad light?

 

?

 

[AJ_-_808]

8 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

 

Or when The Office first aired, and some people were seriously asking why the company would allow that documentary to come out, since it showed their employees in such a bad light?

 

 

 

Seriously? 

That's just... I don't even know

[DrBloodmoney]

Just now, AJ_-_808 said:

 

Seriously? 

That's just... I don't even know

 

?

 

For real - the very first time I ever heard about the show, it was in a BBC News comments section, where some folks were genuinely debating why the company had approved the "documentary" for airing!

[VeldinX]

30 minutes ago, The Alchemist said:

Ever check out Steam? Maybe you should. There's a big difference between digital storefronts and physical retail stores. No digital platform holder has any sort of quality control. People get up in arms about these games saying Sony should do something to stop them but there are bigger things to worry about like €60/€70 AAA games that are completely broken at launch, or filled with insidious microtransactions, or straight up missing content that was promised before launch, yet I never see the same passion around here when it comes to those games. The furore is only ever centered around these trash dollar games. 

 

"You can’t really blame the people who buy these games” 

 

Yes. Yes you can. These people need to take some personal responsibility. I'm sick to death of the addiction card being played as an excuse. These people know exactly what they're buying into. These games wouldn't exist if there wasn't a market for them. 

 

"...nor the devs who make them." 

 

Again, yes you can. Much like the individual user, these developers also need to take some responsibility. They're putting out trash, zero effort products for a quick buck. Yeah they're just making a living, but there are better ways to do so than simply taking the quick and easy route. Why not aim to make games that people actually care about? That'd be too much effort for these leeches. 

 

Just one of these days I'd like someone to explain in detail how Sony should go about moderating the PlayStation Store. Because a lot of people seem to suggest quality control but they never actually stop to think about the potential issues that come along with that. 

I do use Steam, yes, but just because it’s a bigger problem there doesn’t mean we’re in the clear here. My fundamental point was Sony used to be strict about what could have a platinum trophy or what was released on their platform etc. The fact is they had a system in place to stop shit like this but have since relaxed it. So no, I don’t need to explain in detail how Sony should go about it because they already did it previously, and for the most part it worked. And yeah, there are bigger issues in gaming, but that doesn’t mean this can’t be addressed too. Just because something else is worse, doesn’t mean we should overlook everything else. 
 

I do accept your point about blame though. The blame is definitely shared between the devs, the people buying into these things, and Sony as the platform holder. I still strongly feel Sony is at the top of this list though as, at the end of the day, it’s the quality of their platform that’s being degraded. 
 

EDIT: One thing Sony could do is not allow games under a certain price to have trophies. I heard Xbox don’t allow achievements on some stuff like this, the God of War rip-off for example. 

EDIT EDIT ? : I just remembered the PlayStation minis initiative. That would be the perfect way to still have these shitty games but separate from everything else and without trophies. Simple. 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by VeldinX

[Gladiator995]

If people do not pay for these shovelware games, it is highly unlikely they’ll continue to be developed. I’m tired myself of seeing these god awful games bloat up the PS5/PS4 catalogue but unfortunately until people stop buying this trash, they’ll keep being churned out; simple as that.

[Jason-DFG]

Like others have said before, it sucks that these "developers" release these shovelware games, with platinums that take upto 1-5 min.

 

The way i see it, it devalues the amount of platinums someone has:

 

For example you have Timmy and Tommy:

Timmy has 1000 platinums, but 98% of it is shovelware games, achieved in about a year time.

Tommy has the same amount of platinums, but actual propper games, achieved in a time span of maybe 15 years.

 

At the very very start i did so some of these shovelware games out of curiosity, but it ended up giving me a distaste instead of the proud feeling of achieving a platinum.

 

Yes i have put " " at the word developers, because really, can you call these developers?

 

[N1NJ4_V4MP1R3]

It doesn't matter how many shovelware games get plats. Getting plats in great games is still fun and still something to be proud of.

 

Don't let the numbers game impact your enjoyment of collecting trophies in the games you love! 

[You]

52 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said:

 

Seriously? 

That's just... I don't even know

 

On the making of the UK version of The Office, (Documented on the DVD release in the Extras) Stephen Merchant said he told the BBC they were making a docu soap, because at the time, fly on the wall documentaries were quite popular and cheap to make, so allegedly him and Ricky told the BBC they were filming a docu soap because they weren't allowed to write a comedy.

 

So apparently not only did certain viewers think the Office was real, but the management in charge of paying for its production were also not aware either.

Edited August 8, 2022 by enaysoft

[tonkie18]

I would just like to say that some of these games aren’t completely useless.

 

The Jumping Brownie taught me that National Brownie day is on the 8th December. A very important fact that I’ve not picked up anywhere else in 34 years and will be partaking in every year from now.

 

The Tiger T taught me that not only can Tigers punch, but it can kill you if they did. So I definitely need to stop inviting them boxing with me. 

 

The Bat D taught me the longest living bat is 41 years old. 

 

Without the Jumping Fries I wouldn’t know fries originated in Belgium. Who knew!

 

The Dog K informed me that dogs have 3 eyelids. Gross.
 

The Pigeon P taught me that pigeons saved thousands of human lives during world war 1 and 2. I hate them so much less now.

 

and the list goes on.

 

Jus sayin’. They’re not completely useless. One could say they’re even educational. For a pound I get some invaluable trivia in return. Who knows when that may prove fruitful. I could win a load of money in a pub quiz if I did quizzes or went to the pub. I might get an answer right on a television game show and be filled with satisfaction. 
 

Basically, I get trophies AND fun facts, the devs get some money to feed their kids/coke habit whatever so struggling to see the losers here? ??‍♀️
 

oh wait.. the salty ‘good old days/Sony’s standards are slipping’ club AKA (I’m bitter about the leaderboards so concern myself with what everyone else is doing rather than focusing on my own shizzle and provide many-a convoluted spiels why ezpz’s are ruining humanity and we’re all gonna die, die I tell you! Club) they might be the losers I guess ??‍♀️
 

Life will be much better when you stop getting so het up about things you aren’t going to change ✌? And we won’t have to see anymore wah wah wah ❤️ 

 

 

 

[You]

2 hours ago, RedDevil757 said:

Yeah I think it's time I found a new more rewarding hobby. Maybe I'll try this Outside thing I've been told about

 

"Outside" is overrated, especially in Japan where, for example, the rest of this week in Tokyo is about 36C-38C, all week.

(And has been this hot roughly for about 3 weeks now)

 

6 minutes ago, tonkie18 said:

and the list goes on.

 

 

What did Vump Jump teach you, when you played it? Twice?

 

And what was in it that differed from Bump Jump a few days earlier, also Twice?

 

You're fooling nobody. lol

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by enaysoft

[Maxie_M0us3]

I’m getting so sick of these asset flip, low effort garbage games popping up weekly on the PS store. No wonder why I don’t support these Jumping, Breakthrough or Break, or other titles to the same level. Trophies, or achievements, were meant to be awards to show off dedication or skill. I remember very clearly the early years when the system was implemented, and platinums were only given to retail and lengthy titles. Small games only got 100% trophy lists. You know, actually playing video games from start to finish, on an average of 10 hours.

 

With these garbage games with super quick platinum trophies, just requiring to smash the X button more often, what’s the point of playing well-crafted lengthy work-of-a-art video games to feel gratification and increase that trophy cabinet? Unless you care that bad of being in a top leaderboard, the very solution now to get an edge is to toss hundreds, even thousands, of dollars to inflate a number, otherwise you have no chance.

 

If we don’t get together and stop buying these garbage games, it will only get worse. And it’s already at its worst yet.

Edited August 8, 2022 by MaxieM0us3

[AJ_Radio]

2 hours ago, AlphaLiquid-X said:

Of course it’s obvious. That’s why I specifically said it’s an issue. But we don’t know that *this* game will be one of those games. It could be blatant garbage, or it could be good satire. But we won’t *know* until we see more of the game than just a blurb. 

Good satire rarely makes a good game. Unless you’re talking stuff like Deadpool which released on the PS3 or PS4. The two South Park games with trophy support. The entirety of the Duke Nukem franchise, which hasn’t been relevant in over a decade. 
 

2 hours ago, The Alchemist said:

Sony takes 30% from purchases on the PlayStation Store. These games usually cost $0.99-$5 and they only ever sell a few thousand at the most. Sony really isn't making anything off these games lmao. It's not that deep. These are indie games and indie devs in the eyes of Sony. They have zero reason to block them from selling on the store.

Yeah, because the average person just sees these games as piles of crap. They were designed this way to sell easy trophies. It doesn’t matter how bad they are to Sony as long as they get money. 
 

And of course, you’re paying for each regional stack. 
 

2 hours ago, The Alchemist said:

Ever check out Steam? Maybe you should. There's a big difference between digital storefronts and physical retail stores. No digital platform holder has any sort of quality control. People get up in arms about these games saying Sony should do something to stop them but there are bigger things to worry about like €60/€70 AAA games that are completely broken at launch, or filled with insidious microtransactions, or straight up missing content that was promised before launch, yet I never see the same passion around here when it comes to those games. The furore is only ever centered around these trash dollar games. 

We bitched plenty on Star Wars Battlefront 2 when it released. It broke records with people returning their physical copies to the stores. 
 

Middle Earth: Shadow of War released with loot boxes in mind with a leveling system that was designed to make people spend their money. It wasn’t until intense pressure from the pitchfork mob that the developers opted to change how a portion of the game was played. 
 

Fallout 76 had more than its fair share of problems as well. Then of course, there’s Cyberpunk 2077, the most controversial big budget game of this decade, that was released unfinished and had CD Projekt Red outright lying to their fans. 
 

Plenty of people here bitched about these games. You just didn’t pay attention, or you were focused on something else when we did complain. 
 

2 hours ago, The Alchemist said:

Yes. Yes you can. These people need to take some personal responsibility. I'm sick to death of the addiction card being played as an excuse. These people know exactly what they're buying into. These games wouldn't exist if there wasn't a market for them. 

You sacrifice something to gain something. That’s a fact of life.
 

Like I always tell people, it’s not my job to tell them what they should do, if they want to waste time doing nothing or satisfy their addiction, that’s fine by me. 
 

But I have an issue with people coming out of the woodwork to tell me that my perspective is completely wrong, I’m some angry dude for having the wrong opinion. We all volunteered to post in these forums, we’re a small minority after all. 

I’m probably older than a number of you posting in this thread, so I just laugh at how personal responsibility has to be taken, since we’re just sharing ideas on a public online forum. 
 

2 hours ago, The Alchemist said:

Again, yes you can. Much like the individual user, these developers also need to take some responsibility. They're putting out trash, zero effort products for a quick buck. Yeah they're just making a living, but there are better ways to do so than simply taking the quick and easy route. Why not aim to make games that people actually care about? That'd be too much effort for these leeches. 

I’m glad you finally said something that we can both agree on. 
 

2 hours ago, The Alchemist said:

Just one of these days I'd like someone to explain in detail how Sony should go about moderating the PlayStation Store. Because a lot of people seem to suggest quality control but they never actually stop to think about the potential issues that come along with that. 

Can you explain these potential issues then?

 

Nothing is perfect, everything has its pros and cons. Yet I fail to see how a standard, similar to how Sony ran their store in the PS3 days, would have more cons to go with it. 

Edited August 8, 2022 by AJ_Radio

[MiahMamoon]

just another cash grab for trophy hunters 

[tonkie18]

20 minutes ago, enaysoft said:

 

"Outside" is overrated, especially in Japan where, for example, the rest of this week in Tokyo is about 36C-38C, all week.

(And has been this hot roughly for about 3 weeks now)

 

 

What did Vump Jump teach you, when you played it? Twice?

 

And what was in it that differed from Bump Jump a few days earlier, also Twice?

 

You're fooling nobody. lol

 

It taught me that I’m really bad at jumping games and no matter how many times I play them I never get better. I’m aiming for the perfect run. Stop making fun of my goals and encourage my tenacity.

[Infected Elite]

Thread still going, same people being whiny bitches about the past. Things change, these games are here to stay. Get over it. 

 

 

26 minutes ago, tonkie18 said:

 

 

Life will be much better when you stop getting so het up about things you aren’t going to change ✌? And we won’t have to see anymore wah wah wah ❤️ 

 

 

 

 

You're entire post was great lol! But agreed that people need to quit getting worked up over games and just let them be.

[VigilantCrow]

This is why gatekeeping is important for all hobbies. 

[LucasDiasC]

I love how bad the "if people don't buy them, they wouldn't exist" line of thought is. These minute plat shovelware games are created with the only purpose of exploiting the trophy system, so for those really tryharding their plat count, it doesn't really give them that much of an advantage after a while, because everyone next to them on the LB's are also completing those, it just becomes the bare minimum to not be in disadvantage. With that in mind, even if everyone who's actively playing these right now agreed and stopped, there would just be new people now going for them, it would just change the public to whom they become an advantage on the boards. There's no shot  at some point everyone will just agree and completely ignore the obvious giant exploit these ''devs'' have created in the 'trophy game'. And in my biased opinion you can't really blame them, chasing those top spots can be quite fun and rewarding even while playing some good amount of garbage, but it can quickly turn into an unhealthy habit and also take a lot of your valuable time. Just human beings turning everything they do into a fucking job/chore as always, happens all the time, I wonder why 

 

Anyways, hoping that nobody will touch these shovelwares is not realistic and therefore it's only due to Sony themselves to realise their cheap and damaging intention and prevent them from ever releasing on the store to begin with. Or at least it should be... Even though I highly doubt Sony is making huge money out of these 0.99 - 2 bucks games (which makes me question even more why don't they just do something because a clean store and system is much more valuable than that) they don't really look like intervening anytime soon, so we are just doomed forever with the endless trophy spam, oh well.

 

Or are we? I think sometimes we don't realise how much power communities detain, these devs rely solely on PSNProfiles and other trophy websites with leaderboards to sell their so called 'games'. The majority of people who are really into trophy hunting never uses PSN to check anything related to trophies, since dedicated websites like PSNP make such a better job. PSN is not really important for trophy hunters except for providing the info displayed here. But there's nothing preventing PSNP to filter that data instead of just replicating it. Now there might be a few problems with that idea and for sure someone has already suggested something along those lines before, so how would you draw the line of what games should be displayed or not? And my solution to that is quite simple, you don't. As someone who knows every single one of these games, I know for a fact that even tho the mess looks gigantic (and it is), it's really just a small number of "developers" creating stuff that can barely be considered a game (Honestly, some of these just make the bare minimum for it to appear like a game if you just glance at it, but if you actually look at it for more than 5 seconds you'll realise you could probably speedrun that game's development in under ten minutes). So you could just prevent said developers from appearing on the site, instead of looking at each game individually.

 

I could @ around 10 spam-publishers and 90% of the shovelware is instantly gone. We know clearly who are the ones exploiting the system and I think it's only fair that a dedicated website does something about it instead of hoping Sony rectifies it someday. Isn't someone here always putting region tags in these games? Just change their task to vanishing them instead, sign me up for it if needed. I guarantee you that if these games stopped appearing here, in no time they wouldn't be releasing on PSN anymore, not at this rate.

Edited August 8, 2022 by LucasDiasC

[Colin_Raleigh]

Press X For Trophies will no doubt be followed by these sequels:

 

Press Square For Trophies

Press Circle For Trophies

Press Triangle For Trophies

Press R1 For Trophies 

Press R2 For Trophies

Press L1 For Trophies

Press L2 For Trophies

[Infected Elite]

Here's the thing, how is Sony at fault? its a game. It has trophies. There's nowhere that states the games need to be perfect to be allowed on the store. Sony also most likely gets a cut of sales. Quality control isn't needed. Its not outright nudity or gore porn or promoting terrorism. So why shouldn't the games be allowed?

 

also even if people did not buy them, they'll still exist. I don't care if Sony rectified anything. I'm going to play what I want and ignore these games. If others play them and stack them thats great! 

 

Its amazing how some people here bitch endlessly about these. It gives trophy hunting a bad name blah blah... how? it promotes and supports Trophy Hunting.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Colin_Raleigh said:

Press X For Trophies will no doubt be followed by these sequels:

 

Press Square For Trophies

Press Circle For Trophies

Press Triangle For Trophies

Press R1 For Trophies 

Press R2 For Trophies

Press L1 For Trophies

Press L2 For Trophies

i hope it legitimately happens

[jackgalligan1]

Goddamnit, these devs stole my idea! I thought this up a year ago and now they get to rake in the profits. Time to contact my lawyer.