GraniteBeast603 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 the AC2 analogy is spot on guys. In that game you just hold the button and watch. Somehow everyone here thinks it's better simply because it takes 30 hours and not 30 minutes to get the platinum trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dmland12 Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 Everyone should just stop engaging with the troll. Their play here is to derail and get the thread locked. Just disengage. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonaSaxPayne Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 How long before Daiv locks this thread or merges it with the other ezpz bitching one? I say 2 hours tops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ashande Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: Ok, I admit you have to do a little more than "press x". But I'm not exaggerating all that much. You hold L1 and X at the same time while pressing a direction. That is literally all it takes to make Ezio navigate to any point on the map, conquer any obstacle, climb, jump, run, and basically do anything except fight. When it's time to fight you hold L1 and repeatedly press square. You'll be next to invincible and eventually your enemies will die or give up. performing actions is simple too. You wait until the screen flashes the words "Press Circle now" and then you press circle. You all make it sound like your fingers are performing a ballet on your controller. get over yourselves. One could point out that there is timing, spatial awareness and context involved - which does not apply to a Stroke the Hedgehog or a Jumping Fries TURBO - but I suspect you’ll disregard that. Though, at the risk of being petty, I’d ask this: if Assassin’s Creed II is actually so simple and just revolves around “hold L1-X,” “mash Square” and “press Circle when prompted,” why’d it take you 8 months to finish? Why was “No-hitter” (kill 10 guards without taking damage) one of your last trophies, if you just “mash Square” and you’re “invincible” anyway? Did you manage to get “Doctor” and “Sweeper” by just pressing Square? Or we can just take the express elevator all the way to the bottom. If ACII is functionally identical to Stroke the Hedgehog, then we can all go back to our Fairchild Video System F’s - or hell, to Pong consoles, or maybe even back to modified radar screens - and just press the button and consider it an equal accomplishment. It’s all just pushing buttons, right? Your argument also completely disregards the work and effort put in - whether it be for love, for money, for the love of money, or whatever other reason - that game developers frequently put into their games, to make a world, characters, story, ruleset, soundtrack and reasons to interact with all those factors - even if that interaction does just boil down to “hold X” - beyond digital bling that matters to only a small subsect of players on only half the primary gaming platforms. You flamed someone earlier, claiming their argument was that Stroke the Hedgehog vs. Assassin’s Creed was akin to E.L. James vs Shakespeare; honestly, that’s insulting to E.L. James. Despise her though I do, and find her writing horrible as I may, there is at least an attempt to create a story there. Stroke the Hedgehog is more like writing “I like blue” twenty thousand times and comparing that to… anything else, really. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, GraniteBeast603 said: the AC2 analogy is spot on guys. In that game you just hold the button and watch. Somehow everyone here thinks it's better simply because it takes 30 hours and not 30 minutes to get the platinum trophy. This thread may not survive, but unless this alt is trolling the ever loving shit out of all of us, the possibility that someone actually believes this will live on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinigamiSensei- Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Yeah, these trashy games with ezpz trophy lists are getting out of control...just like this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, dmland12 said: Everyone should just stop engaging with the troll. Their play here is to derail and get the thread locked. Just disengage. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer1189 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Deadly_Ha_Ha said: Whoa man so sorry I'm missing your grand point that everyone here is disagreeing with even though I seriously doubt I am. Why don't you please enlighten me Posting because I was reading this thread I was thinking most folk are using the same tired arguments. Then as I was reading GraniteBeast603's posts it made me think that someone was finally making the point I always make... Then as I was reading the responses to them I was legit thinking before I even got to your message "Damn, these responses are totally missing Granite's point here" The point being that many games are brain off activities. Basically anyone can do them. This has been the case for decades and easy games certainly precede achievements and trophies. As Granite says, what makes spending 30 hours in Assassin's Creed any different to 30 minutes Stroking the Hedgehog? Both are mindless activities with the key difference being the length of time they take. Now, you might have personally enjoyed Assassin's Creed enough to consider it worth the 30 hours of your time, but you seriously can't be making the argument that what you did in AC was something special or challenging? You realise most games are designed to be easily beaten by anyone who is likely to pick up the controller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Slayer1189 said: Now, you might have personally enjoyed Assassin's Creed enough to consider it worth the 30 hours of your time, but you seriously can't be making the argument that what you did in AC was something special or challenging? You realise most games are designed to be easily beaten by anyone who is likely to pick up the controller? I never played AC first of all but I don't see those as being the height of respectable plats. That being said, there is certainly a range of how respectable plats ARE, or games in general. What that troll was saying and what I guess you are saying serves only to bring everyone down to the level of "button presser" and is extremely unfair to those who actually push themselves for their hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraniteBeast603 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ashande said: One could point out that there is timing, spatial awareness and context involved - which does not apply to a Stroke the Hedgehog or a Jumping Fries TURBO - but I suspect you’ll disregard that. Which trophy do you get for "demonstrating spatial awareness and context involved"? Is that a bronze or silver? 14 minutes ago, Ashande said: why’d it take you 8 months to finish? Why was “No-hitter” (kill 10 guards without taking damage) one of your last trophies, if you just “mash Square” and you’re “invincible” anyway? Why does it matter how long it took me? I put the game down (all games actually) for six months. So what? Which trophy do you get for "gaming every day of the year"? Is that a gold or silver? 14 minutes ago, Ashande said: Did you manage to get “Doctor” and “Sweeper” by just pressing Square? Yes 14 minutes ago, Ashande said: we can all go back to our Fairchild Video System F’s - or hell, to Pong consoles, or maybe even back to modified radar screens - and just press the button and consider it an equal accomplishment. It’s all just pushing buttons, right? If someone ports Pong to a system that supports trophies, that is exactly what will happen. what's your point? 14 minutes ago, Ashande said: Your argument also completely disregards the work and effort put in - whether it be for love, for money, for the love of money, or whatever other reason - that game developers frequently put into their games, to make a world, characters, story, ruleset, soundtrack and reasons to interact with all those factors - even if that interaction does just boil down to “hold X” Ok, and someone made a game for Hedgehog enthusiasts. What's your point? Sony isn't enforcing any quality standards on games with regard to these factors. And while I agree, that's disappointing, I'm not about to start hurling accusations of "addiction" and "exploitation" at someone who's just playing video games within a framework that's explicitly permitted. I get it, you wish the rules were different. But they aren't. Why hate people for it? 14 minutes ago, Ashande said: You flamed someone earlier, claiming their argument was that Stroke the Hedgehog vs. Assassin’s Creed was akin to E.L. James vs Shakespeare; That's exactly what that person said. Repeating their claim is not "flaming". 4 minutes ago, Deadly_Ha_Ha said: I never played AC first of all but I don't see those as being the height of respectable plats. That being said, there is certainly a range of how respectable plats ARE, or games in general. What that troll was saying and what I guess you are saying serves only to bring everyone down to the level of "button presser" and is extremely unfair to those who actually push themselves for their hobby. ^This kind of thinking, particularly the bolded, is far more unhealthy than anything the "addicts" are doing. Don't look now @Deadly_Ha_Ha, but I think you're being exploited. Edited September 26, 2022 by GraniteBeast603 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeepEyes7 Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: Which trophy do you get for "demonstrating spatial awareness and context involved"? Is that a bronze or silver? Bronze 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knave21 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 All I know is that slowly climbing the leaderboards was fun for like 7 years, and has now stopped being fun entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellenthin Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: I just did. You can't win a game that nobody is playing. You can't lose either. Sony set up the trophy system with the point values and trophy requirements. Everybody was given the exact same set of rules for the game. If you want to win that game, then go compete according to the rules. If you believe the game is somehow denigrated, or less satisfying because of what is allowed under the rules, then DON'T PLAY! You clearly want the rules to change to accommodate your own vision of what you think the game should be. That isn't happening, so your alternative is to mock, insult, and denigrate all the other people who are playing by the rules. that's not a good way to be The rules have already been bent long since so your argument is basically nonexistent, rudimentary speaking. A large number of people on this site still want their hard work over the years to be represented properly, which simply isn't the case anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelestialRequiem Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, GraniteBeast603 said: My first question is, where can I find the other side of this debate? Where is the community of people sharing their experiences of trophy hunting in hedgehog petting games? Surely there must be sites where people share which games are easiest, most region-stackable, etc. Where is it? What do these people say for themselves when asked "Why are you doing this"? Are you serious? Just look at the front page of PSNProfiles and every day you will see the molestation of the PSN store front. These cretins are too busy gorging themselves with that shit buffet to have any real opinion on the matter; they're just here to consume. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraniteBeast603 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, Mellenthin said: A large number of people on this site still want their hard work over the years to be represented properly, which simply isn't the case anymore. Sorry but that sentiment is truly bizarre to me. If you're using the term "hard work" to describe video gaming, then we're just not speaking the same language at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Slayer1189 said: Posting because I was reading this thread I was thinking most folk are using the same tired arguments. Then as I was reading GraniteBeast603's posts it made me think that someone was finally making the point I always make... Then as I was reading the responses to them I was legit thinking before I even got to your message "Damn, these responses are totally missing Granite's point here" The point being that many games are brain off activities. Basically anyone can do them. This has been the case for decades and easy games certainly precede achievements and trophies. As Granite says, what makes spending 30 hours in Assassin's Creed any different to 30 minutes Stroking the Hedgehog? Both are mindless activities with the key difference being the length of time they take. Now, you might have personally enjoyed Assassin's Creed enough to consider it worth the 30 hours of your time, but you seriously can't be making the argument that what you did in AC was something special or challenging? You realise most games are designed to be easily beaten by anyone who is likely to pick up the controller? I think the point is that no one did. No one is seriously arguing that Assassins Creed is some highly challenging game - it isn’t. However, within a spectrum of challenge that games offer, there can be no reasonable argument that Stoke the Hedgehog is the same level of challenge as Assassins Creed. That was never my point though. I don’t care about the leaderboard, I don’t care about “respectability” of a profile, and I certainly don’t care about difficulty or rarity. I care about the quality of the games. Even if AC was a simple case of holding X… it would still be of significantly more worth than Stroke the Hedgehog… because it is actual artistic fare. There is narrative. There is plot. There is artistry and design and visual and audio effort involved. There is things there to entertain. It is of artistic worth. I actually do have a game as an example - The Longest Road on Earth. That game is ALMOST as simple to play as one of the Jumping / Run / Stroking games. It is basically just pressing X… …but it’s made with love, care and attention. It has a beautiful soundtrack and visuals. It has a story, of sorts. It has emotional engagement. That game, I will go to bat for, and defend completely against anyone arguing it has no merit… because it does. Stroke the Hedgehog does not. It has no artistry, no emotion, no narrative, no engagement… no point. It exists for no reason but trophies… and since trophies are merely a byproduct of games, it by definition has no value. That was my point. Edited September 26, 2022 by DrBloodmoney 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt the Dog Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: Ok, and someone made a game for Hedgehog enthusiasts. What's your point? Sonic is right there in all his hedgehog glory. He even has a game coming up that seems like it'll be pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonaSaxPayne Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 @DrBloodmoney this is the 3rd time I’ve seen u mention the longest road on earth with such high regard now I’m inclined to go check it out lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gommes_ Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Can't believe what I am reading. AC II and trash platinums are basically the same. ? This is one for the books guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_87 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, GretchenWebb23 said: Anyway how you can stroke a hedgehog you will hurt yourself Use gardening gloves. Or pick up small hedgehogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt the Dog Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I just can't wait for the inevitable Stroke the Cock so we can have a plat description that reads: "You stroked that cock a lot, must be tired now! Go and rest!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellenthin Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 36 minutes ago, dmland12 said: Everyone should just stop engaging with the troll. Their play here is to derail and get the thread locked. Just disengage. Yeah, should have checked his 'profile', or the lack thereof, from the getgo.? 13 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: Sorry but that sentiment is truly bizarre to me. If you're using the term "hard work" to describe video gaming, then we're just not speaking the same language at all. It would be even more bizarre if it turned out that you aren't a troll and actually believe in everything you say. Unless you failed to notice, you're on a site dedicated to trophy hunting, and that usually entails some work and effort - at least it used to, anyway...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, MonaSaxPayne said: @DrBloodmoney this is the 3rd time I’ve seen u mention the longest road on earth with such high regard now I’m inclined to go check it out lol You should! It’s always a good example of a very, very easy game, but one that shows not all games in that category are silly rubbish like the Jumping Taco etc. The soundtrack is excellent in it - it’s essentially a music video as a game - and it works really well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraniteBeast603 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mellenthin said: It would be even more bizarre if it turned out that you aren't a troll and actually believe in everything you say. I don't see why. Everything I've posted is 100% sincere. I get that AC2 has more "art" than the Hedgehog game. But you don't get a trophy for "enjoying the art of the game". And as far as gameplay goes, AC2 is 95% auto-pilot. That's an objective fact that can't be disputed. You're really splitting hairs if you think that's so much *deeper* or *more meaningful* than a game that's 100% auto-pilot. Edited September 26, 2022 by GraniteBeast603 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elekidcore Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 This thread escalated rather quickly. I can't even keep track of who's trolling who, or if anyone is even trolling anyone, and for that reason, I'm out. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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