Mellenthin Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ashande said: You definitely have a choice. You choose to participate in a system that by your own admission “requires” gorging yourself on these “games;” by doing so - and buying/receiving/pirating/however-you-get-the-damn-things “games” of this stripe means you’re contributing to creating a demand for them - and ensuring the practice continues - which does indeed lay some of the blame at your feet. You can argue about how one person doesn’t change anything - and for the record, I think that statement does have at least some merit in some discussions - but it doesn’t alter that, regardless of the number of individuals participating in this system, those individuals existing and continuing to perform those actions - while trying to deflect and say they’re not the problem, the other 1,999 (or however many) people doing it are, they just have to do it to keep up - is the reason this continues. Further, it feels like an attempt to claim some kind of moral high ground, which is ridiculous. One, because we’re talking about digital bling, here, not anything that has an actual moral component (at least as it applies to “trophy trash”) two, because “well, he did it first!” has never struck me as a legitimate argument for… anything, really. Indeed. To reflect your own responsibility is silly. We're all part of this: Sony for not caring for any standards; the developers for taking advantage of people's addiction; trophy site owners for degenerating the leaderboards, and lastly the gamers themselves that either buy the titles inquestion or keep supporting involved trophy sites, generating revenue. Make no mistake, we will all burn in hell.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gommes_ Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, MonaSaxPayne said: what does any of this have to do with her personal satisfaction? Her personal satisfaction might be good for her (even though I doubt it) but it still affects more people than just her. For example, using drugs is a personal satisfaction as well but it does affect others 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonaSaxPayne Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, Gommes_ said: Her personal satisfaction might be good for her (even though I doubt it) but it still affects more people than just her. For example, using drugs is a personal satisfaction as well but it does affect others here we go again with the outlandish fallacies of logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, MonaSaxPayne said: here we go again with the outlandish fallacies of logic It's because you in particular seem the most dead set on ignoring any point raised on the matter if you don't agree with it so it could be in regards to anything 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUDGER666 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, dmland12 said: At the top are mostly cheated accounts (they stay there even after the account hides all trophies) and there are many games that don't seem to count at all towards your progress on the leaderboard for some reason or another while other games do. Basically, it's got some bugs and was never finished. That's a shame as its what a lot of people want. Wonder how much effort or money it would take to sort this site out. Needs a major overhaul imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyswfc9 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, starcrunch061 said: God - I love online interactions. Suffice it to say, yes I "get [your] point" (and I agree with it, just in case there's still confusion rattling around in your head). My rhetorical response, though, apparently didn't land as well as I hoped. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post starcrunch061 Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, MonaSaxPayne said: here we go again with the outlandish fallacies of logic Let's make it clearer, then. She can derive personal satisfaction from anything she chooses. But when that personal satisfaction becomes a public matter, it's open to criticism. No one is saying she can no longer derive personal satisfaction from this. But that doesn't mean people can't share their opinions on the pointlessness of the endeavor, or their opinion that such personal satisfaction is having a negative impact on gaming as a whole. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steel6burgh Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 6 hours ago, VER7UZ- said: I like the 99 Cent Games, cause at the end Im a platinum Hunter Not trophy Hunter, Um yea but it's more like a platinum popper not a platinum hunter. I consider hunting trophies or platinums to be taking on some sort of meaning whether it be playing quality games that provide real entertainment or adding to a quality series of titles, like all the Sniper elite games, or all the Bioshocks. Also, it could entail taking on a challenge. Holding x to pop a bunch of trophies you are a platinum popper not hunter. Hunting is challenging. People use to hunt for their food it wasn't an easy life, they worked for it. Holding x to pop a bunch of trophies is lazy it's not hunting. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmperorZetta Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I will say that I do use this site primarily for my own trophy tracking, since the Vita was the only system that allowed you to sort trophies for reasons known only to Sony and God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellfireFury Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 “Choke the Chicken” is coming soon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martain2 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 And here I thought that Inksplosion (that I got for free) was a bit of a stain on my profile, thank christ I'm not as obsessed with trophies so much that i'm buying any of those trash games just to increase my trophy count. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Martain2 said: And here I thought that Inksplosion (that I got for free) was a bit of a stain on my profile, thank christ I'm not as obsessed with trophies so much that i'm buying any of those trash games just to increase my trophy count. What's wrong with Inksplosion? Game was a'ight. Easy trophy list, but a pretty fun little game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alayaes Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 I know a few alcoholics that derive personal satisfaction from a fifth of Jack. Every day. They are single guys, pay for it themselves, and generally don't affect anyone but themselves. Just because you personally enjoy something doesn't mean others can't necessarily contemplate whether or not that very thing might not be healthy for you. Saying that you enjoy something does not make you immune to criticism. Especially if you state it on a public forum, where everything you type is essentially up for debate. Before the Redditors come out with the "actually" arguments, I'm not equating trophies with alcoholism. It's the underlying principle I'm comparing. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, BennyWalton66 said: First off She/Her please. I haven't decided on a replacement name yet. Second what other reason is there to be here besides leaderboard tracking? I don't need it to see my trophies , I can do that on my console itself. That's why my there's such a gap between my first platinum and my recent ones. I was playing Gat out of hell casually back then and just happened to platinum it. I got into competitive trophies not long ago. So like why else would I need the site besides rankings and as a boosting tool? What self-righteous view on things, people are different and so are the reasons why they decide to drop by, I come here to better organize my list, see what games I have yet to play, use the really useful trophy guides, talk to nice people and so on.. the leaderboard couldn't matter less to me, specially since spamware became a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllieWalton66 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, willmill97 said: #deletetheleaderboard #trophiesarentmeanttobecompetitiveyousillysausages So people who get enjoyment from being competitive should just screw themselves? Ok bro thanks. Imagine if I said the same thing about speedrunning or esports. Or hell any kind of weird world record. I get enjoyment/satisfaction from climbing leaderboards. May whatever you believe in strike me down if that's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel6burgh Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 My question when it comes to these EZPZ games is this and I think it is one of the more important things when having this discussion. Does Sony by law have to give space to these developers on their store? I know most people who own a business decide who's products they will sell and not sell but i think in the case of Sony and gaming and controlling such a large part of a market they may be governed by a different set of rules where by not allowing someone on their store who meets it's guidelines they are possibly breaking a law? I'm not a lawyer or have no idea about these things which is why i'm asking but if Sony has no choice but to sell these games then I can see a point in time when Sony shuts down the trophy system to shut down these developers. If that is the case then this should be our concern rather than the crappy leaderboards. Sony will get tired of dealing with such a large amount of these crap titles on their storefront, It's gotten out of hand and the trophy community is behind driving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: What's wrong with Inksplosion? Game was a'ight. Easy trophy list, but a pretty fun little game No idea why but you mentioned inkplosion and my brain brought up Splatoon lol Edited September 26, 2022 by Sunnyburrito 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sunnyburrito said: No idea why but you mentioned inkplosion and my brain brought up Splatoon lol Would have been a decent alternative name for Splatoon actually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martain2 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: What's wrong with Inksplosion? Game was a'ight. Easy trophy list, but a pretty fun little game Nothing wrong with it at all however I thought it stood out a bit as the most common platinum on my profile and the next one (that isnt a Telltale game) is almost 40% lower. I've never competed on the leaderboards and play games that interest me (just for the record) so this hasn't been something I've obsessed over and just a mild observation, truth be told I think it stands out more being one of the few games on my profile from the NA region rather than EU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllieWalton66 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, steel6burgh said: My question when it comes to these EZPZ games is this and I think it is one of the more important things when having this discussion. Does Sony by law have to give space to these developers on their store? I know most people who own a business decide who's products they will sell and not sell but i think in the case of Sony and gaming and controlling such a large part of a market they may be governed by a different set of rules where by not allowing someone on their store who meets it's guidelines they are possibly breaking a law? I'm not a lawyer or have no idea about these things which is why i'm asking but if Sony has no choice but to sell these games then I can see a point in time when Sony shuts down the trophy system to shut down these developers. If that is the case then this should be our concern rather than the crappy leaderboards. Sony will get tired of dealing with such a large amount of these crap titles on their storefront, It's gotten out of hand and the trophy community is behind driving it. Why would they care if it makes money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBloodmoney Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, Martain2 said: Nothing wrong with it at all however I thought it stood out a bit as the most common platinum on my profile and the next one (that isnt a Telltale game) is almost 40% lower. I've never competed on the leaderboards and play games that interest me (just for the record) so this hasn't been something I've obsessed over and just a mild observation, truth be told I think it stands out more being one of the few games on my profile from the NA region rather than EU. Ha - well, I wouldn’t worry about any kind of “profile staining” - if you enjoy the game, it can’t be a stain. Hell, I have The Longest Road on Earth on mine - with a terribly rare 93% ?… …but it’s a great game, that I ended up writing extensively about afterwards. To me, that’s the hallmark of a “real” game: not rarity, or length, or difficulty or any of those metrics… …but just the question: “do I have anything to say about this game when I finish?” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: Would have been a decent alternative name for Splatoon actually! I just call it Sploon, which is just as weird. 14 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said: Ha - well, I wouldn’t worry about any kind of “profile staining” - if you enjoy the game, it can’t be a stain. Hell, I have The Longest Road on Earth on mine - with a terribly rare 93% … …but it’s a great game, that I ended up writing extensively about afterwards. To me, that’s the hallmark of a “real” game: not rarity, or length, or difficulty or any of those metrics… …but just the question: “do I have anything to say about this game when I finish?” Back in the day I was really innocent with the whole easy trophy thing and ended up buying a few Rata games, some were terrible others not so much I kinda liked Foxland and Blasting Agent... but also got Little Adventure on the Prairie that one was really bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraniteBeast603 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Fascinating thread here. This is a bizarre debate because almost everyone is on the same side of the issue. It seems that everyone agrees that the "easy" trophy collecting is bad for the hobby overall. However, people are split on whether or not something could/should be done about it. And tangentially, whether or not a person should be 'upset' at all by it. Both of those seem like very silly hairs to be splitting IMO. My first question is, where can I find the other side of this debate? Where is the community of people sharing their experiences of trophy hunting in hedgehog petting games? Surely there must be sites where people share which games are easiest, most region-stackable, etc. Where is it? What do these people say for themselves when asked "Why are you doing this"? Next, I see a lot of people here with an unhealthy obsession over this, and their coping mechanism seems to be accusing other people of having an unhealthy obsession over this. That's neat. lol Also, I'd like to address the people claiming that "just pushing X" isn't enough of a challenge to earn trophies. I'd like to know what you're playing that's so dang complicated. Personally, I just finished the platinum on Assassins Creed 2. The game is basically holding the X button and then pointing your guy in the direction you want to go. Sometimes you have to fight enemies and that entails mashing the Square button until you win. And it just gets worse from there. In AC Brotherhood, there are many fights where you *can't die*. Enemies will just keep smashing you over and over and you'll remain at 1 health forever. (I have recorded footage of myself trying to die and being unable to). So because I did that for 30 hours instead of 30 minutes, I'm more deserving of a platinum trophy than the hedgehog stroker?? I need that explained to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nebnit Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: My first question is, where can I find the other side of this debate? Where is the community of people sharing their experiences of trophy hunting in hedgehog petting games? Surely there must be sites where people share which games are easiest, most region-stackable, etc. Where is it? What do these people say for themselves when asked "Why are you doing this"? There is no "EZPZ community", these are individuals who all have one thing to say if you ask them about this, which is they don't care, they just need the points to climb the ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrBloodmoney Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, GraniteBeast603 said: Also, I'd like to address the people claiming that "just pushing X" isn't enough of a challenge to earn trophies. I'd like to know what you're playing that's so dang complicated. Personally, I just finished the platinum on Assassins Creed 2. The game is basically holding the X button and then pointing your guy in the direction you want to go. Sometimes you have to fight enemies and that entails mashing the Square button until you win. And it just gets worse from there. In AC Brotherhood, there are many fights where you *can't die*. Enemies will just keep smashing you over and over and you'll remain at 1 health forever. (I have recorded footage of myself trying to die and being unable to). So because I did that for 30 hours instead of 30 minutes, I'm more deserving of a platinum trophy than the hedgehog stroker?? I need that explained to me. Yikes. You really need that explained? Really? Saying "Well, you just press buttons in all the other games too, what's the difference?" is essentially the same as saying "Shakespeare is no different than EL James, it's all just letters on pages" or "The Room is no different to The Godfather - it's all just moving pictures on a screen", or "eating poop is no different to eating steak - it's all just calories going in your mouth." Games are a creative medium - an art form. There is a marked difference between artistically crafted fare, and artistically barren packing peanuts. I'd also point out that the tools you use to engage with the product might be the same... pressing X... ...but the greatest novel in the world, and a scribble, are both made by placing a pen on paper. It's about how you place the pen on the paper. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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