PlayStation Users May Soon Be Able to Have Other Players Complete Difficult Sections for Them

[MonaSaxPayne]

https://gamerant.com/playstation-patent-player-summon/?utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=GR-FB-P&utm_campaign=GR-FB-P

 

didn't see this posted anywhere.

 

I wonder if it will be locked behind a PS+ paywall like SharePlay 

 

 

[Vergil]

Isn't that what share play is for?

[HuntingFever]

4 minutes ago, Vergil said:

Isn't that what share play is for?

This^

 

I thought this is what Share Play was designed for?

[TomataEighty9]

If trophies weren't pointless before, they are gonna be now... 

 

If you are gonna let someone else do trophies for you, and flash the trophies off as your own, then what's the point? 

 

They might as well remove trophies then  

[Astray404]

I choose to git gud 

[MonaSaxPayne]

7 hours ago, Vergil said:

Isn't that what share play is for?

 

u can only co-op in SharePlay if the game has a local co-op feature

 

this seems to allow someone to play co-op with u regardless. which is a bit different from having someone play a section FOR u

 

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Beyondthegrave07
Leave out the baiting, please.

[DrBloodmoney]

16 minutes ago, Vergil said:

Isn't that what share play is for?

 

It used to be what big brothers and friends were for ?

[HusKy]

18 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

If trophies weren't pointless before, they are gonna be now... 

 

If you are gonna let someone else do trophies for you, and flash the trophies off as your own, then what's the point? 

 

They might as well remove trophies then  

 

People already do this. They even pay for it. I wouldn't expect this feature to have huge impact in regard to trophies.

Edited October 4, 2022 by HusKy

[TomataEighty9]

19 minutes ago, MonaSaxPayne said:

 

u can only co-op in SharePlay if the game has a local co-op feature

 

this seems to allow someone to play co-op with u regardless. which is a bit different from having someone play a section FOR u

 

won't stop the elitist crybabies from whining tho, as evidenced already lol

 

 

 

Who's crying? 

 

I would rather say that YOU have a tendency to take what people text, and turn it how you want, and stir up shit. Not the first time  

 

Don't you have some meaning in your life? Or is this all you have? Instigating shit online. If that's the case, that's sad and i feel for you. 

 

All i said, was that if someone does your trophies FOR you, they lose meaning, just like someone running a marathon for you, and handing you a medal. If you flash a medal, for something YOU haven't achieved, what's the point of the medal? 

 

Don't worry, i've had run ins with you before, and i know you're only trolling, so im not expecting a useful response. 

 

Funny enough, im not even close to being an elitist, im probably the most casual trophy hunter in existence on this site. But that doesn't mean that taking the credit for something you didn't do, is cool  

[Kavatus]

If this is implemented as that you join someones game in coop ( as extra player), wouldnt that require extra work from developers to implement this?

 

Or if its pretty much as shareplay then you would still have connection as potential issues in some twitch reactions requiring sections. 

 

Or would it be that you both require same game and then otherone "sends" his save info to you and after you stop your part, info gets sended back to original gamer (who needed help). 

 

If last option then it would be safer as you woundnt need to give your account info to other one. 

 

Hard to think of anything from this with current info.

 

[MonaSaxPayne]

6 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

All i said, was that if someone does your trophies FOR you, they lose meaning

 

lose meaning to who? the person who has the trophy, or the person scowling in the corner?

[Bumperklever]

37 minutes ago, Astray404 said:

I choose to git gud 

Shareplay is for the weak ?

[TomataEighty9]

2 minutes ago, MonaSaxPayne said:

 

lose meaning to who? the person who has the trophy, or the person scowling in the corner?

 

Objectively speaking. 

 

You don't understand the point of trophies? (also in real life). 

 

You are awarded a trophy for DOING something. It's your proof of achievement. 

 

What is the point of flashing something you DIDN'T do? 

 

I don't think you understand what im texting (or you choose not to, i don't know). 

 

I'm not gonna judge someone for doing this. Why would i care? 

 

I'm talking about the pointlessness of having trophies, if it's not YOUR work it shows off. But you do you  

 

If you find joy in flashing achievements you had no part in, go ahead. But then why don't you just hack trophies? or downright cheat? If you don't care about the work for the trophy, and you have no pride in your EARNED trophies, why even bother with this? Cheating would be much easier....

[EightBitArtist]

ill pay someone $1 to plat super meat boy for me. any takers? lol

[megacoolermensch]

so cool i will never have to stroke my snake alone 

[MonaSaxPayne]

17 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

Objectively speaking. 

 

You don't understand the point of trophies? (also in real life). 

 

You are awarded a trophy for DOING something. It's your proof of achievement. 

 

What is the point of flashing something you DIDN'T do? 

 

I don't think you understand what im texting (or you choose not to, i don't know). 

 

I'm not gonna judge someone for doing this. Why would i care? 

 

I'm talking about the pointlessness of having trophies, if it's not YOUR work it shows off. But you do you  

 

If you find joy in flashing achievements you had no part in, go ahead. But then why don't you just hack trophies? or downright cheat? If you don't care about the work for the trophy, and you have no pride in your EARNED trophies, why even bother with this? Cheating would be much easier....

 

except that, as far as THIS particular patent looks to be.. it's for allowing someone to play WITH you

 

by that stretch of the imagination is this the same as cheating or hacking? 

 

or is it that trophies only have "meaning" if there are only obtainable solo?

 

multiplayer trophy? not legit cuz the person could have boosted

 

coop trophy? not legit either, someone could have helped u

 

solo trophy? still not legit cuz maybe they gave the controller to their big brother

 

I'm not losing sleep trying to police or decipher how people MAY HAVE earned the trophies they have ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TomataEighty9]

1 minute ago, MonaSaxPayne said:

 

except that, as far as THIS particular patent looks to be.. it's for allowing someone to play WITH you

 

by that stretch of the imagination is this the same as cheating or hacking? 

 

or is it that trophies only have "meaning" if there are only obtainable solo?

 

multiplayer trophy? not legit cuz the person could have boosted

 

coop trophy? not legit either, someone could have helped u

 

solo trophy? still not legit cuz maybe they gave the controller to their big brother

 

I'm not losing sleep trying to police or decipher how people MAY HAVE earned the trophies they have ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When THIS "PlayStation Users May Soon Be Able to Have Other Players Complete Difficult Sections for Them" is your headline, you can't argue that it would seem like a way for people to let others do trophies FOR them. We can agree on that, right?  

 

Come on  

 

I've never said that boosting or playing co-op is cheating. I SPECIFICLY stated that flashing trophies for someone elses achievements is stupid and pointless. 

 

If you play co-op, or you boost a dead game online WITH someone, YOU contribute, and you also deserve the medal.

 

Much like when Ronaldo won the champions league with Real Madrid. Maybe some of his team mates made almost zero impact, and didn't contribute that much, but they were in the team, and the TEAM wins the prize. So if YOU take part and contribute, in a team mode, YOU also achieve the trophy.. 

 

But if someone down right DOES the requirements FOR you, you shouldn't flash the trophies. (in my opinion). 

 

 

[DrBloodmoney]

1 minute ago, TomataEighty9 said:

Much like when Ronaldo won the champions league with Real Madrid. Maybe some of his team mates made almost zero impact, and didn't contribute that much, but they were in the team, and the TEAM wins the prize. So if YOU take part and contribute, in a team mode, YOU also achieve the trophy.. 

 

Not to get too technical, but surely the metaphor for boosting would be: if Ronaldo, Real Madrid and all 31 other teams agreed to play the the Champions League 32 different times, and each allowed one another to win once, then they would ALL get the trophies? ?

[Vergil]

1 hour ago, MonaSaxPayne said:

 

u can only co-op in SharePlay if the game has a local co-op feature

 

this seems to allow someone to play co-op with u regardless. which is a bit different from having someone play a section FOR u

 

won't stop the elitist crybabies from whining tho, as evidenced already lol

 

 

I don't see why devs don't just make an invincible mode if people can't just beat the game. Like a mode below easy mode. Heck Ninja gaiden 3 has a hero mode. Where you are practically untouchable. 

 

 

[Sunny]

This thread is giving me vertigo.

[TomataEighty9]

6 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

 

Not to get too technical, but surely the metaphor for boosting would be: if Ronaldo, Real Madrid and all 31 other teams agreed to play the the Champions League 32 different times, and each allowed one another to win once, then they would ALL get the trophies? ?

 

Not really? 

 

The point of BOOSTING, is (for me), doing something in a dead game, where i have no chance to get the trophies, because there's no one to play against, or, if there's a trophy that is not hard, but just time consuming. 

 

F.ex, if im playing FIFA, and there's a trophy for PLAYING 200 games. There's no competitive part, only a grind. So instead of having to play someone and being active, i save some time and AFK it against a friend. 

 

I would agree if you boosted difficult trophies, that i wouldn't be able to do, unless someone boosted with me. 

 

And that's where Co-op comes into the picture. 

 

No one is saying that in a team game, i have to be the best player. (much like in football). I can be the support, and someone else is the main player. 

 

For me to play 200 games, and "waste" my time on a grind, i maximise my time, and spend my playtime on harder trophies. No problem in that. It's a question of being effective. 

 

But letting someone beat Elden Ring for me, without me even participating, and then flashing the trophies off as my own, that's just stupid and has no point or value  

[MonaSaxPayne]

21 minutes ago, TomataEighty9 said:

 

When THIS "PlayStation Users May Soon Be Able to Have Other Players Complete Difficult Sections for Them" is your headline, you can't argue that it would seem like a way for people to let others do trophies FOR them. We can agree on that, right?  

 

 

LOL 

 

U got me there. to be fair tho I just copied the headline of the article. Looking at the patent picture tho (obviously I could still be wrong) it looks like there’s 1 path (where u were playing alone), an insertion point, and then 2 paths.. suggesting that someone may be playing alongside u 

 

Honest question tho.. who are all these players getting trophies through SharePlay and then boasting to others they earned the trophies all by themselves? I’ve never seen this. And how can u tell anyway?

 

 

[TomataEighty9]

3 minutes ago, MonaSaxPayne said:

LOL 

 

U got me there. to be fair tho I just copied the headline of the article. Looking at the patent picture tho (obviously I could still be wrong) it looks like there’s 1 path (where u were playing alone), an insertion point, and then 2 paths.. suggesting that someone may be playing alongside u 

 

Honest question tho.. who are all these players getting trophies through SharePlay and then boasting to others they earned the trophies all by themselves? I’ve never seen this. And how can u tell anyway?

 

 

 

Cool, no problem  

 

Thank you for being honest, and admitting to that. 

 

I'll admit, i DID go pretty fast to the "argue mode", and i could've been better at asking exactly what you meant, or i could've read the article, and not judging by the headline. 

 

I should have done better  

 

I just see people in "Gaming sessions", searching for people to do trophies for them via shareplay, and i assume they get a kick out of having the trophies, and being on the leaderboards (and on this site in general), in my world, means you want people to see your trophies. We have the "what's your latest trophy"-thread, and i also like to "show off" my new trophies i worked hard for, so i just assumed people also do it  (i guess the lesson is that there's been a lot of assuming)  

[Dauersack]

So basically it is like a SOS button you press when you are stuck and do not really feel like earning your trophy that day, so you fire the SOS flare, some other player who is currently bored sees it, joins in, takes over your character and does the thing for you, that is what I get from the article, so basically shareplay for people without friends who would remind them of the fact that they have not done it it by themselves.

 

I think that is a really dumb feature, most games that have something like this still make the player participate in the act itself during multiplayer games, this however sounds like you are just sending out shareplay requests into the ether. The vast majority of games have low difficulty modes for the purpose of easier access to all of the games content, to enable people who naturally suck at the game, people who are physically or mentally disabled in some way, or people who are perfectly capable to do it but just prefer having an easy time, to finish a game they otherwise would not be able or willing to finish. The few games that do not have these low difficulties are games that make overcoming the games challenges a crucial and mandatory part of the game experience, these are simply not for the aforementioned people and that is fine, not every game is made for everyone after all.

However, to enable people to get trophies they have not earned is obviously not something that most trophy hunters will be fans of when it means that hard trophies they have put dozens of practice hours into can now theortically be achieved with 0 practice hours, and even without the achiever having to pay ridiculous sums for it with this feature. Pathetic that it gets labeled as elitism these days to say that a trophy for completing a certain task was not earned, and therefore devalued, when someone just let someone else do it for him, but this is the generation that made participation awards a thing after all so why am I even surprised.

 

I would not have a problem with it if using it disabled the ability to earn trophies unless you start over completely fresh, though I doubt Sony even gave any consideration to the trophy hunting community to begin with so it will likely just be a free for all.

[KenjiCBZ]

Sigh.