Popular Post Pneumatic Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 It's not shovelware, it's shameware. For three reasons... 1. It doesn't reach the level of quality of shovelware. 2. It signifies the emotion a person should feel for trading cash for trophies. 3. It brings shame to a person's trophy collection. 57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xyleh Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, Pneumatic said: It brings shame to a person's trophy collection Imagine caring what someone else thinks of your hobby. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WiktorM101 Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Helyx said: Imagine caring what someone else thinks of your hobby. Of course we care. It's a forum for people to share their achivements in gaming (and specificly to talk about this hobby). Healthy gatekeeping makes almost every hobby better for everyone involved. Edited October 10, 2022 by WiktorM101 Ratio 82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post psycho_clank314 Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 I think what bothers me about them is there is no game at all. It's just cash for trophies. I want to play games and go for trophies, not just aquire trophies with no content. 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, WiktorM101 said: Of course we care. It's a forum for people to share their achivements in gaming (and specificly to talk about this hobby). Healthy gatekeeping makes almost every hobby better for everyone involved. This take is lost on a lot of people on this website dude, though I agree with you 100% 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wild-Arms-R Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, WiktorM101 said: Of course we care. It's a forum for people to share their achivements in gaming (and specificly to talk about this hobby). Healthy gatekeeping makes almost every hobby better for everyone involved. Actually we call this having standards, and yes I 100% agree. It’s not gatekeeping or elitism to want trophy hunting to not become a free for all or pay 2 win system. Edited October 9, 2022 by Wild-Arms-R 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikem192 Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 I used to not care about these types, or people that played them, but this is getting silly now. infinite types of jumping food or objects with no purpose. Was fine when it was ONLY my name is Mayo, atleast it had comedy value and everyone knew what it was. Jumping tacho turbo crap is just ruining the system, hell I’d take rata games over this utter nonsense any day 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AJ_-_808 Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Deadly_Ha_Ha said: This take is lost on a lot of people on this website dude, though I agree with you 100% Maybe the Ratalaika games could be better considered as "healthy gatekeeping", but I think the bigger issue with these is they're not games. We went from playing games for enjoyment (pre-trophies), to playing games with trophies for extra value, to buying these simply for the trophy count. While entertainment is subjective, let's be realistic - there's no entertainment value in these. It's just straight trophy count, which is fine for your individual profile if that's what you want, but it unfortunately destroyed the already broken competitive aspect of this hobby. That, and the sheer amount of these plus their stacks have smothered the new game lists. I don't think labeling these as shameware is going to produce anything positive. Edit Besides, at this point, the damage is done. Can't put the genie back in the bottle. The only "fix" would be for Sony to literally delete all those trophy lists from their database. Imagine the blowback from that Edited October 9, 2022 by AJ_-_808 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Snake_1302 Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, WiktorM101 said: Of course we care. It's a forum for people to share their achivements in gaming (and specificly to talk about this hobby). Healthy gatekeeping makes almost every hobby better for everyone involved. I also agree with this sentiment, but I was hesitant to say it first out of fear of being dog piled on. I think we all like an easy trophy list every now and then, I'm currently blitzing through a bunch of shorter platinums after getting over the massive hurdle that was AC Valhalla not too long ago, but theres a limit. If I'm just mashing X without thinking then it doesnt really feel like I'm even playing a game. Some people say they dont care about what others think, or that we shouldn't care about what others play, but isnt that the point of this site? A community of trophy enthusiasts who care about trophies in general? Of course people on here are going to care to an extent, one way or the other. 13 minutes ago, Wild-Arms-R said: Actually we call this having standards, and yes I 100% agree. It’s not gatekeeping or elitism to want trophy hunting to not become a free for all or pay 2 win system. Trophy hunting has always been a pay 2 win system at its core, but yeah, it's been taken to an entirely different level these days. Only those who can afford to sink tons of money into games can be at the top of the leaderboards, it was true back in its infancy, and its even more true now. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sunny Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Pneumatic said: It's not shovelware, it's shameware. For three reasons... 1. It doesn't reach the level of quality of shovelware. 2. It signifies the emotion a person should feel for trading cash for trophies. 3. It brings shame to a person's trophy collection. That's all very personal, brings shame to a trophy list? In the eyes of the person collecting it doesn't, while I agree all this Jump, Stroke and whatever next type of game is indeed spamware, I wouldn’t shame anyone for it, it's their hobby and money not mine. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonaSaxPayne Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 can't we all just get along? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darling Baphomet Posted October 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2022 I propose the term strokeware, after the recent influx of strokers, as I like to call them. Just now, MonaSaxPayne said: can't we all just get along? Absolutely not. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUDGER666 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Tbh it's pointless talking about it anymore, the damage is well and truly done. I been saying the PS3 leaderboard is where it's at but that is just f***ed now with all the CFW users and nothing been done about it, even reports seemingly getting ignored. Just look at the person that's been at the top past week with 4272 hacked games that don't have a single timestamp lol. Something needs to change because it's all just gone to sh*t. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1andonly654 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Pressexers. It makes you know what the games are and it sounds like a super hero squad, with an X as their logo even. And trophy hunting/whoring is the definition of p2w imo. As in, you pay more and/or have more free time, you win. The only way this could not be p2w is if difficulty was the only thing taken into consideration, not the amount of trophies or plats. And since we can't really objectively measure difficulty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepEyes7 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, the1andonly654 said: And since we can't really objectively measure difficulty... The next best thing to that is rarity... But we will have the other never ending discussion of rarity is not equal to difficulty because there is ezpz URs, just grindy URs that just rewards people with excessive free time and blah blah blah.... But well, it's better than the actual thing... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Ha_Ha Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, DeepEyes7 said: The next best thing to that is rarity... But we will have the other never ending discussion of rarity is not equal to difficulty because there is ezpz URs, just grindy URs that just rewards people with excessive free time and blah blah blah.... But well, it's better than the actual thing... Here's a list of reasons why rarity is not equal to difficulty: 1. There are EZPZ URs 2. I'm bad at games and can't admit that a game which isn't actually difficult, hence its plat % being high, is really just hard for me in particular 3. There are just grindy URs that simply reward people with excessive free time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milktastrophe Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 47 minutes ago, the1andonly654 said: Pressexers. It makes you know what the games are and it sounds like a super hero squad, with an X as their logo even. It sounds more like pre-sexers, which I guess you could use as a derogatory term for the people who "play" these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1andonly654 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Milktastrophe said: It sounds more like pre-sexers, which I guess you could use as a derogatory term for the people who "play" these. Didn't think of that. You could still use an X as a logo though, just need to put a female silhouette underneath it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milktastrophe Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 54 minutes ago, GUDGER666 said: Tbh it's pointless talking about it anymore, the damage is well and truly done. I been saying the PS3 leaderboard is where it's at but that is just f***ed now with all the CFW users and nothing been done about it, even reports seemingly getting ignored. Just look at the person that's been at the top past week with 4272 hacked games that don't have a single timestamp lol. Something needs to change because it's all just gone to sh*t. Hacking should just be allowed on the leaderboard at this point. Change the meta from whoever can spend the most money on garbageware to whoever is best at avoiding Sony's banhammer. If people pirate this garbageware/hack the trophies without playing, instead of buying it, they'll stop making money on them so they'll stop making them. Ta-da, the PSN store will get cleaned up, while maintaining the status quo. Actual game players will continue sliding down the leaderboard and the legitness of the top of the leaderboard will still be questionable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulpine9Tails Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Milktastrophe said: It sounds more like pre-sexers, which I guess you could use as a derogatory term for the people who "play" these. Nah that sounds like they're just about to get some so they'll pop in one of these games and earn a plat real quick. We don't want to glamorize it that way lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyleh Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Milktastrophe said: If people pirate this garbageware/hack the trophies without playing, instead of buying it, they'll stop making money on them so they'll stop making them. Wait until you find out that lots of these games are purchased just once on a share account and they're passed around to dozens of people for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post diskdocx Posted October 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2022 This has sooooooo been done to death. These 'games' suck. They've ruined the leaderboards. So did Hannah Montana. And kids games in general. Then there were auto popped plats. Then Mayo. Then we had Rat games and Sometimes You - and shockingly, those now look positively noble in comparison. But you know what's worse? These threads. Its the same pointless arguments over and over. The games clog the new release list, and these threads clog the forums. And add nothing to improve the situation. Just more toxicity and negativity. These threads are the real shame. Let's call them ShameThreads. If you've started and/or endorsed one, there's a definite stain on your profile. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post You Posted October 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Helyx said: Imagine caring what someone else thinks of your hobby. I want to care about you! But your trophies are hidden. 2 minutes ago, diskdocx said: But you know what's worse? These threads. Its the same pointless arguments over and over. Nobody is arguing...You yourself just now started getting angry and ranting, seemingly wanting to start something... More to the point, why are you reading these threads over and over? Edited October 10, 2022 by enaysoft 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MonaSaxPayne Posted October 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, enaysoft said: More to the point, why are you reading these threads over and over? cuz they're public? this wasn't a private message between 2 or more whiny ppl 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
czDante92 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Trophybait games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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