Big leagues Work Around

[EdgeHosenkan 254]

Only @MMDE or @B1rvine can explain the reason, and if is allowed or no.

 

 

Edited October 22, 2022 by EdgeHosenkan

[Ravie_HD 28]

If I'm not mistaken one of the team member said that it is ultimately the decision of the sites owner. As it stands both he and part of the team are against whitelisting it according to how I understand it, but even if all users of the site and the team would be for it, the owner could still refuse, as is his right.

 

Personally I would love to see this whitelisted, but I can also understand the other point of view. As it stands we can only hope that Microsoft will fix it once they have acquired Activison. The only comparable trophy I know of is the photo one in Battlefield Bad Company, that was also not obtainable for multiple years but eventually got fixed

[ResiGamer_28 597]

5 hours ago, Ravie_HD said:

If I'm not mistaken one of the team member said that it is ultimately the decision of the sites owner. As it stands both he and part of the team are against whitelisting it according to how I understand it, but even if all users of the site and the team would be for it, the owner could still refuse, as is his right.

 

Personally I would love to see this whitelisted, but I can also understand the other point of view. As it stands we can only hope that Microsoft will fix it once they have acquired Activison. The only comparable trophy I know of is the photo one in Battlefield Bad Company, that was also not obtainable for multiple years but eventually got fixed

Ms will never fix big leagues, it was closed down because of the sheer number of hackers. Even legit this wasn't really possible to obtain. On Xbox 360 the big leagues leaderboard was hacked to pieces from virtually day of release. And treyarch did nothing to fix it.

[Ravie_HD 28]

I decided to tweet at David Vonderhaar directly about this issue, hoping that maybe our previous requests never made it that far up the chain

[StrongPlats 6]

On 10/10/2022 at 7:54 PM, JiizzyOG said:

i think if every trophy got collected legit and u only use it for the big league trophy it should be fine but i think this wont ever happen

people here dont seem to think so. i did every trophy legit except for big leagues and i was flagged for cheating and had to hide the game, bunch of bs

[JiizzyOG 14]

On 15.11.2022 at 9:37 AM, StrongPlats said:

people here dont seem to think so. i did every trophy legit except for big leagues and i was flagged for cheating and had to hide the game, bunch of bs

thats bullshit 

[hi-im-hawkeye 21]

Say I got this trophy because of a hacked lobby, am I "banned" from just the leaderboards for this game or for the entire site? And if I get banned from leaderboards, am I still able to use the site for trophy tracking? I personally don't care about leaderboards, it means nothing to me. All I care about is 100% and still being able to track trophies.

[DaivRules 15,288]

30 minutes ago, hi-im-hawkeye said:

Say I got this trophy because of a hacked lobby, am I "banned" from just the leaderboards for this game or for the entire site? And if I get banned from leaderboards, am I still able to use the site for trophy tracking? I personally don't care about leaderboards, it means nothing to me. All I care about is 100% and still being able to track trophies.

 

If you get flagged for a trophy in a game, you'll be banned from all leaderboards until or if you decide to hide the flagged game. If you hide the flagged game (and have only one or two flagged games), you'll be allowed back on the leaderboards for all your non-flagged games. If you end up with three or more games flagged, you're off all leaderboards no matter what you hide.

 

 

 

[hi-im-hawkeye 21]

46 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

 

If you get flagged for a trophy in a game, you'll be banned from all leaderboards until or if you decide to hide the flagged game. If you hide the flagged game (and have only one or two flagged games), you'll be allowed back on the leaderboards for all your non-flagged games. If you end up with three or more games flagged, you're off all leaderboards no matter what you hide.

 

 

 

Awesome, I don't give two shits about leaderboards. 

[DaivRules 15,288]

1 minute ago, hi-im-hawkeye said:

Awesome, I don't give two shits about leaderboards. 

 

1 hour ago, hi-im-hawkeye said:

Say I got this trophy because of a hacked lobby, am I "banned" from just the leaderboards for this game or for the entire site? And if I get banned from leaderboards, am I still able to use the site for trophy tracking?

 

Seems weird to ask about the leaderboards just to say, again, that you don't care about them.

 

You'll still be able to track your trophies unless you fall into the first scenario here:
 

 

[imminent-file5 55]

Someone should explain this, because it makes no sense. The people here who claimed to have gotten it have been flagged for it. Whilst many others are still getting away with this, all the way back to 2019 to 2023, still being achieved illegitimately till this day. Checked almost all of their profiles out and all seem to be practically on the leaderboards as legitimate players. There's a cheating removal team for a reason, no? 

 

https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1719-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/39-big-leagues

[DaivRules 15,288]

37 minutes ago, imminent-file5 said:

Someone should explain this, because it makes no sense. The people here who claimed to have gotten it have been flagged for it. Whilst many others are still getting away with this, all the way back to 2019 to 2023, still being achieved illegitimately till this day. Checked almost all of their profiles out and all seem to be practically on the leaderboards as legitimate players. There's a cheating removal team for a reason, no? 

 

https://psnprofiles.com/trophy/1719-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/39-big-leagues

They’re not getting away with anything. People unlock Big Leagues with the mod menu daily so there’s always new people that just haven’t been gotten to yet. And people edit timestamps for this game daily that haven’t been gotten to yet. When someone edits a timestamp for 2019 and syncs today, it doesn’t mean they’ve been on the leaderboard since 2019. It’s still a manual process and they will all be removed. 
 

[beldc01 16]

According to new information today. “since the official listed requirements for custom tools are that they're usable by everybody (hence the open source requirement). The tool doesn't work today, so it's not available for everybody, only a select few within a limited time window. Basically, tools should always be available for everybody, or nobody.” This method is available to everyone who owns the game, therefore it is within the rules as written. Or are some of the rules followed and others are not? Very confusing.

 

[DaivRules 15,288]

28 minutes ago, beldc01 said:

This method is available to everyone who owns the game, therefore it is within the rules as written. Or are some of the rules followed and others are not? Very confusing.

False comparison. This game requires someone at some point to use CFW to do it. The thing you’re comparing doesn’t. 
 

[beldc01 16]

26 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

False comparison. This game requires someone at some point to use CFW to do it. The thing you’re comparing doesn’t. 
 

Players don’t need CFW to use theater mode within the game. It is not a false comparison at all. The rule states everyone must have access to the tool and in this case everyone does. So the rules only apply when wanted? Also, how do you know someone used CFW and a developer didn’t put it into the game? You don’t. The tool is available to all which makes it within the bounds of the rules. Furthermore, wouldn’t someone need more access to a game to create any tool which would seem like it would require CFW or a developer model console. So every tool should be banned then? 

[sweatysock47 6]

9 minutes ago, beldc01 said:

Players don’t need CFW to use theater mode within the game. It is not a false comparison at all. The rule states everyone must have access to the tool and in this case everyone does. So the rules only apply when wanted? Also, how do you know someone used CFW and a developer didn’t put it into the game? You don’t. The tool is available to all which makes it within the bounds of the rules. Furthermore, wouldn’t someone need more access to a game to create any tool which would seem like it would require CFW or a developer model console. So every tool should be banned then? 

@B1rvine pretty interesting point OP has made. Any thoughts ?

[DaivRules 15,288]

23 minutes ago, beldc01 said:

Players don’t need CFW to use theater mode within the game. It is not a false comparison at all. The rule states everyone must have access to the tool and in this case everyone does. So the rules only apply when wanted? Also, how do you know someone used CFW and a developer didn’t put it into the game? You don’t. The tool is available to all which makes it within the bounds of the rules. Furthermore, wouldn’t someone need more access to a game to create any tool which would seem like it would require CFW or a developer model console. So every tool should be banned then? 

Open source, to be available to all, applies to custom servers, not to mod menus used with CFW consoles. You don’t get to cherry pick the aspects of some rules you like and the ignore the parts that are inconvenient to what you’re trying to accomplish. 
And no, creating a custom server can be done in a myriad of ways without requiring CFW. 
 

[beldc01 16]

20 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

Open source, to be available to all, applies to custom servers, not to mod menus used with CFW consoles. You don’t get to cherry pick the aspects of some rules you like and the ignore the parts that are inconvenient to what you’re trying to accomplish. 
And no, creating a custom server can be done in a myriad of ways without requiring CFW. 
 

I’m not cherry picking the rules I have no say in how they are created or enforced. I am just pointing out the rules don’t apply evenly. Furthermore, you are clearly cherry picking the rules because the rules are not evenly defined or enforced properly. The question that is the tool must be available to everyone.

Q: Is the tool available to everyone?

A: Yes 

 

Therefore, it is allowed as the rule is written. To get access to the games code to create a custom server you would need moderator level access or a modified console to view this information. Therefore, every tool is “CFW” at some point. So, why are some tools that everyone can use are allowed and others are not. I could care less, I had my last trophies popped in this game by some random jerk while trying to play it legitimately. However, if I know about this tool I would have been able to 100% the game legitimately within the rules. 

 

Edited January 27 by beldc01

[DaivRules 15,288]

19 minutes ago, beldc01 said:

I’m not cherry picking the rules I have no say in how they are created or enforced. I am just pointing out the rules don’t apply evenly. Furthermore, you are clearly cherry picking the rules because the rules are not evenly defined or enforced properly. The question that is the tool must be available to everyone.

Q: Is the tool available to everyone?

A: Yes 

 

Therefore, it is allowed as the rule is written. To get access to the games code to create a custom server you would need moderator level access or a modified console to view this information. Therefore, every tool is “CFW” at some point. So, why are some tools that everyone can use are allowed and others are not. I could care less, I had my last trophies popped in this game by some random jerk while trying to play it legitimately. However, if I know about this tool I would have been able to 100% the game legitimately within the rules. 

 

You mean under where it says “Information about Custom Servers” and discusses being available to everyone?

 

(https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/52663-what-constitutes-a-flag/)

 

The custom server tool must be available to everyone, that’s why the requirement is in that section. 
 

This isn’t as complicated as you’re making it out to be. 
 

 

 

[beldc01 16]

Ok so any custom server that anyone can have access to is allowed? When it’s labeled as tool it makes it seem as device/object you can use, like a mod menu for example. So, what about the Motorstorm custom server that anyone can get access to? People are getting flagged for that as not allowed? I can move this question over to that game if needed. I just want to point out that these rules and definitions need to be clearly defined. Also, they don’t seem to be evenly enforced. Furthermore, on this subject if Activision the creator of this game allowed this tool and confirmed its ok to use would that be against the rules here since it is their game and can change how it’s played and what’s allowed at any point?

[DaivRules 15,288]

1 minute ago, beldc01 said:

Ok so any custom server that anyone can have access to is allowed? When it’s labeled as tool it makes it seem as device/object you can use, like a mod menu for example. So, what about the Motorstorm custom server that anyone can get access to? People are getting flagged for that as not allowed? I can move this question over to that game if needed. I just want to point out that these rules and definitions need to be clearly defined. Also, they don’t seem to be evenly enforced. Furthermore, on this subject if Activision the creator of this game allowed this tool and confirmed its ok to use would that be against the rules here since it is their game and can change how it’s played and what’s allowed at any point?

I can’t even take you seriously any more. 
 

 

[Ghost-Zeus514 175]

Can we just lock out this thread and move on?

 

There's no work around to get that trophy

Edited January 27 by Ghost-Zeus514

[AJ_-_808 2,820]

11 minutes ago, beldc01 said:

Snip

 

 

 

It's really not that complicated. Big leagues requires cfw to enter the equation somewhere.

 

A custom open-source server that functions exactly as the game did before server went offline, and which the only purpose is to re-establish online viability, doesn't require cfw and is completely different than what you're trying to compare it to.

[Ghost-Zeus514 175]

2 minutes ago, AJ_-_808 said:

 

It's really not that complicated. Big leagues requires cfw to enter the equation somewhere.

 

Eh? Even HEN does the job just fine and still considered cheating 

Edited January 27 by Ghost-Zeus514

[B1rvine 10,396]

If there's any code in a custom server / custom tool that alters the gamer's original gaming experience, as it does in Black Ops II, then it isn't allowed. 

 

There's no "new" information either.

 

Edited January 27 by B1rvine