PSNP now has to do this to keep being #1 Trophy website...

[bosstristan]

...and that is to differentiate people who stack/shoverlware/play these Turbo Pizza whatever free-trophy apps, to -say- put them in a different pool of players.

 

OR a gamer score, like PSNTrophyLeader does, that would differentiate in an instant gamers from cheaters/boosters.

 

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Adding this feature to PSNP would be a great addition for a - say - Classic Trophy Hunter community. It would add greatly in addition to the Leaderboard features and so on. Some people chase the leaderboards, they have the leaderboard feature, some people chase the UR count, they have the UR count feature. So adding a feature that filters shovelwares/stacks would simply be another great addition for "Classic Trophy Hunters". It could also be a toggle button that shows/hides stacks and shovelware  Also, it could be a different feature such as a gamer score, like PSNTrophyLeaders does, a badge or a feature that takes into consideration one game and not the all the stacks and that adjust stats accordingly. Like I said, there could be many ways to achieve this.

 

Maybe it could simply be an add-on to the PSNP+ plugin? But for real, this now has to be done, there is no other way, our hobby is dying.

 

EDIT : Here are a few posts that I found relevant to the idea :

 

8 hours ago, Dauersack said:

We do not need to ban or exclude anyone, even cheaters, quintuple stackers and the likes, we just need to split the one leaderboard into several leaderboards and only make people appear on the one leaderboard that reflects their playstyle. Cheated/hacked a game? Well now you are on the free for all leaderboard with all the other cheaters to fight for the top cheater spot. Rarity above 60 or 70%? Now you are on the ezpz leaderboard competing with the jumping food and animal stroking addicts. Kept a healthy balance? Welcome to the default leaderboard. You pretty much only play ultra rare and very rare? There is a leaderboard for you.

 

Easy to make a few leaderboards and only ever allow a player to appear on one based on a few profile stats. Sure this would not solve all problems, but quite a few. Some online games have applied similar concepts of letting cheaters compete against other cheaters, p2win whales against other p2win whales, keeping the normal userbase healthy by seperating the others and giving them their own space. Not that anything of the sorts would ever happen here though, or really anything at all for that matter with the only one able to implement it seemingly being inactive and not giving a crap anymore.

 

I am also more annoyed by these garbage games making up the majority of this sites new releases than I am over the leaderboard being devalued.

 

3 hours ago, iriihutoR84 said:

It's fine that the current leaderboard is the main leaderboard but PSNP should also offer alternative leaderboards for those who want to compete without resorting to non-games. You straight up cannot be competitive on the current leaderboard with 50+ hold-a-button games releasing every week. The current leaderboard is useless for anyone who doesn't buy the 16 weekly stacks of jumping food + turbo, 16 stacks of car moving left to right + Nitro, 8 stacks of Animal + Letter, 8 stacks of "quiz" games, 2 stroke the animal games etc. There are more but that's 50 games and you cannot compete with that through playing actual games.

 

This site needs (a) leaderboard(s) for those interested in the competitive aspect of gaming and trophy hunting because it does not have one. The top people on the current leaderboard do not get most of their points from actual games but from hold-a-button apps. 

 

I think two new leaderboards would be good. One that straight up counts trophies with over for example 80% site completion percentage as zero and another one which highly rewards rare trophies by giving more points for increasingly rare games. Neither may be a perfect solution and both can to a degree be manipulated but there needs to be something when the current leaderboard is dominated by non-games.

 

This site currently does not cater to gamers who want to enjoy the competitive aspect of trophy hunting because there is no leaderboard where you won't get destroyed by people paying pay-to-plat games. There has to be one. It does not need to replace the current leaderboard but at least complement it.

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by bosstristan

[Letenko]

I share your sentiment, but even as someone who utterly despises those "games", I'd keep using the site for the other features it has and also what PSNP+ offers right now. Even if they kept the status quo and don't change anything.

 

The leaderboard and rankings is a niche part of the site I imagine, at least every person I spoke to doesn't care about it directly. I for have the ranking there just to prove that I'm clean.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Letenko

[WeepingScorpion]

I'm no fan of shovelware either but I don't think this is necessary.

[PhyrxianLibrarin]

Bold of you to think PSNP is the #1 trophy website lol

 

There's no way to ban specific games from the leaderboard without the "community" falling apart over which games do and don't count. There are a lot of visual novels where you can hold down X to pop the platinum; should those be banned? What about games that are glitched and have unobtainable trophies? Or games that are so hacked that everyone gets the platinum just by playing online? How easy does a game have to be before it's too easy to be included?

 

The PSNP approach of "we just use the raw data and don't make value judgements on a per-game basis" is at least consistent enough to avoid those endless debates. Let the people who care about the leaderboard fight over who has a bigger wallet and more friends to share accounts with.

[wajbsb]

Disagree. Trophy hunting means different things to different people. Some see trophy hunting as being the most trophies overall, or the fastest person to get a particular trophy or the most ultra rare trophies. It's a bit like the Olympics, where there are numerous events/objectives you can take part in to be the best at that time. It's not like a 100m sprint, where the only objective is to be the fastest over 100m.

Personally, I've tried a couple of these cheap and easy plats and they aren't really for me (although Disco Cannon Airlines was totally worth the money, if only for the name!) but if other people get any kind of joy from them then fair play to them. It's their money their spending and their time, so who am I - or anyone else to question that?

Imagine any other hobby. Imagine someone saying you can't do that jigsaw puzzle because it's too easy or read that book because it's for kids? Imagine someone saying you shouldn't read Harry Potter, for want of a better example... there'd be an uproar.

I don't expect the OP, or anyone else, to care but I felt it needed saying.

TL:DR - Live and let live.

[janpham]

25 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

and that is to ban/hide people who stack/shoverlware/play these Turbo Pizza whatever free-trophy apps.

 

OR a gamer score, like PSNTrophyLeader does, that would differentiate in an instant gamers from cheaters/boosters.

 

Maybe it could simply be an add-on to the PSNP+ plugin? But for real, this now has to be done, there is no other way, our hobby is dying.

 

"Ban people" LOL. Are you from Northkorea?

[skazzzz4]

Suggesting that someone that plays x or y game should be banned because you don't like that game is narcissistic as hell.

[bosstristan]

Just now, janpham said:

 

"Ban people" LOL. Are you from Northkorea?

 

Just some healthy gatekeeping. Same as sports ban people who use drugs, or forbid access to some competition depending on the gender, weight and so on. It's all a matter of fairness and balance.

Edited October 11, 2022 by bosstristan

[Thrillhelm]

Excluding people from leaderboards because of the game choices is a terrible, utterly selfish and elitist idea. Who gets banned and who decides to get a pass? This is a sure way to kill off the site if you basically make the top ranked gamers outcasts.

 

"Cheaters/boosters" is also a nice framing of the latter to the former.

[janpham]

28 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

and that is to ban/hide people who stack/shoverlware/play these Turbo Pizza whatever free-trophy apps.

 

OR a gamer score, like PSNTrophyLeader does, that would differentiate in an instant gamers from cheaters/boosters.

 

Maybe it could simply be an add-on to the PSNP+ plugin? But for real, this now has to be done, there is no other way, our hobby is dying.

 

But if you want to ban people. I would suggest start banning people who don't have one single Soulsgame Platinum. 

[bosstristan]

Curious how people who strongly "disagree" (ie : the 4 posts above this one) are people who do use and abuse of this method.

[GothGirlMaxine]

So if someone has an easy platinum on their profile, regardless of how many impressive or rare platinums they have, they'll be banned? This ain't this chief. 

[Thrillhelm]

2 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

 

Just some healthy gatekeeping. Same as sports ban people who use drugs, or forbid access to some competition depending on the gender, weight and so on. It's all a matter of fairness and balance.

You frame people as cheaters for no reason and you want to be the gatekeeper. Outright demanding bans is the wrong approach.

[bosstristan]

Just now, StygianWolf4 said:

So if someone has an easy platinum on their profile, regardless of how many impressive or rare platinums they have, they'll be banned? This ain't this chief. 

It could be based on a certain score.

 

Or, another idea that would satisfy most people here, would be to automatically hide shovelwares/stacks etc. and adjust stats accordingly.

 

PSNP+ does it already with stacks in game lists on the home page, it could defo do it on profiles too.

[yowzagabowza]

I don't even care about the leaderboard.

I started using this site to keep track of the one and only trophy list that matters to me: my own.

I like the completion percentage part the most.

But now I check this site before I buy almost any game to make sure the trophies are doable or browse a guide to see what I'm in for. I also check the conversation part quite often. 

[DrBloodmoney]

31 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

But for real, this now has to be done, there is no other way, our hobby is dying.

My hobby is alive and well, thanks…

 

…but even if it wasn’t, I find it to be an incredible leap of illogic to believe that the best way to “save” it would be by mass-banning people from the #1 site dedicated to it.

[the1andonly654]

What should be done imo is not PSNP banning anyone for playing anything, but Sony putting a stop to it - games like these should be no plat, 300 points or whatever tops. They get released, people can play, doesn't do that much damage to trophy hunting/whoring communities. 

Sony will probably not do that, and even if they did, at this point it doesn't matter, since the damage is already done. 

Personally, I don't care. Play, don't play, whatever. 

Wanna compete? Individual games are better at that than leaderboards. Not team based games, just you vs someone else. 

Funny thing is that I was looking for a thread about this with all the personal drama in it and I stumbled across this. At this point we can have a separate board for bitching about spilled milk. 

[bosstristan]

Just now, DrBloodmoney said:

My hobby is alive and well, thanks…

 

…but even if it wasn’t, I find it to be an incredible leap of illogic to believe that the best way to “save” it would be by mass-banning people from the #1 site dedicated to it.

 

Wrong choice of word maybe, but to have two distinct categories : those who play legit and those who don't. Like I said, there could be many ways to it (banning does sound excessive, wrong choice of word again), like the one I've just described, or a gamer score, or a badge etc.

 

I've edited the OP to avoid confusion.

Edited October 11, 2022 by bosstristan

[skazzzz4]

3 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

Curious how people who strongly "disagree" (ie : the 4 posts above this one) are people who do use and abuse of this method.

 

I've been crushing games long before you were ever born.

 

If you don't like trophy hunting then don't do it. Don't expect the world to change just because you don't like something Karen.

[bosstristan]

Just now, skazzzz4 said:

 

I've been crushing games long before you were ever born.

 

If you don't like trophy hunting then don't do it. Don't expect the world to change just because you don't like something Karen.

Ouch, that was salty, sorry for hurting you.

[Jordan_On_Tinder]

14 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

 

Just some healthy gatekeeping. Same as sports ban people who use drugs, or forbid access to some competition depending on the gender, weight and so on. It's all a matter of fairness and balance.

 

You're weird, bro.

[gruffiiti]

Instead of whining constantly about the state of how you view trophy hunting... nothing is stopping you from creating your own trophy tracking site and tailoring it exactly how you want it. You can even tailor it specifically to somehow spit you out at the top of the leaderboards. 

[Bloke]

47 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

put them in a different pool of players.

Lmao let's put players I don't agree with in a 'shovelware ghetto'. We will start with you OP seeing as you have a form of shovelware on your profile and don't chase leaderboards.

 

What a joke, who cares what other players choose to do with their time and resources.

[Thrillhelm]

I simply blocked the OP. 

No need for this much negativity and toxic behaviour in my life.

 

Playing certain games gets you framed as cheaters because of some elitist thinking, and someone wants to decide which games are allowed and which not.

OP made clear that I am no better than a hacker/cheater if I play something like Jumping Pizza.

 

Guess you want to ban people for autopopping trophies too? Man, never thought Sound Shapes is going to bite back one day.

 

Even if you filter games for the leaderboards you'd gain a couple of hundred ranks and then what? Top 1000 would still be out of reach for you. And don't say you don't care about ranks as you'd outright ban people for your personal gain.

[Ashande]

12 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

 

Just some healthy gatekeeping. Same as sports ban people who use drugs, or forbid access to some competition depending on the gender, weight and so on. It's all a matter of fairness and balance.

 

“Healthy” gatekeeping is not “ban anyone who played something I don’t like.” Further, where’s the line? How do you know who has and hasn’t crossed it? Jumping Tacos TURBO may be obvious, but as others have noted, what about VNs where you just read? What about the VNs that have other content, like collectibles, branching paths, minigames? What about games that no one would argue on whether or not they’re “games,” but that, according to the stats on this site, have really easy Platinums? What about games that may in fact be brutally hard or time-intensive, but have very devoted fanbases, so their rarity is grossly inflated? Who gets to make those calls, and how do you prevent their biases?

 

If you want to compare it to sports, Pay2Plats aren’t really in the same category as the categories you listed; they’re more like how they sometimes send boxers or MMA fighters around the circuit against known losers (“jobbers”) to boost their stats and (supposedly) keep them in shape for the next “real” match. The equivalents to it would be more like pirated software, CFW, trophy hacks or the like (“earning” things that they are not in the proper qualifying group for, or “earning” them through a means other than intended and relying on things outside of one’s own capabilities to do it.)

 

9 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

Curious how people who strongly "disagree" (ie : the 4 posts above this one) are people who do use and abuse of this method.

 

Curious how you instantly assume anyone against you is in the camp that you’d like to oust. Please, have a look at my profile. See if your perception is that only people involved in the mess think you’ve gone ‘round the bend.

 

3 minutes ago, bosstristan said:

 

Wrong choice of word maybe, but to have two distinct categories : those who play legit and those who don't. Like I said, there could be many ways to it (banning does sound excessive, wrong choice of word again), like the one I've just described, or a gamer score, or a badge etc.

 

I've edited the OP to avoid confusion.

 

You’re imposing your definition of legitimate, rather than the one this site uses (which is as close to the official stance from the group that created the system as one can get unless and until Sony itself institutes leaderboards): “Games have trophies. They come in four grades. Earn away. Here’s a sticker.” The Leaderboard here, borked though it may be, counts nothing else. It counts the point value assigned to the trophies by their creators, and says who has the most points. That’s all. You can yell all you like about the “legitimacy” of this game over that one, but at the end of the day, that’s the system.