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Hey guys hope you are doing well, the game is on the lowest price I have ever seen so I'm thinking of getting it, but I'd appreciate your honest feedback, is the game too gory and violent? I mean I don't really have a problem with it, heck I love Mortal Kombat, it's just that torture and mental abuse is something that makes me feel really bad, as I struggle with depression, I really liked the first game so I really wanted to try this one but stayed away for the reasons I mentioned, other than that how's your honest opinion without too much spoilers about the overall game? Thank you very much in advance.

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I played the game at release and I am also struggeling with depressions for years now. "The last of us Part II" is maybe one of the most brutal games I ever played - and maybe on of the best.

It has a really explcit way of showing the voilence and has a very frustrating story. It gave me the same feeling I had with the story of "Red Dead Redemption 2" - nothing really positive is ever happening.

So if you are struggeling with these type of games - maybe it is one for the better days.

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31 minutes ago, DrBloodmoney said:

So... here's the thing...

...I say this as someone who absolutely loved TLoU, and though TLoU Part II is better in every single way...

 

...yes.

 

The violence in the game is absolutely grotesque at times - it's deliberately so. 

 

TLoUII is one of the few games out there trying to make a legitimate point about the futility and horror of pursing violence, and the poisonous nature of vengeance.

It does it well - and a big part of that is in making the player see things from multiple sides of a conflict, humanising the people on both sides... and having the violence be so sickening and horrific to see - and forcing them to engage with it, from both ends - that the point lands.

 

I actually think it's not just a great game, but an important one - and that it succeeds in every aspect of that central thesis statement - but it only succeeds as well as it does, by really amping the viciousness of that violence... and the empathy the player has to the people involved.

 

It makes the player recoil, and hate what they are forced to do at times.

Because that is the point of the game, I don't think it is gratuitous - but given what you said, I do think you should know going in that, yes, there is some really fucked up stuff in that game, and it's designed to make you recoil.

 

This analysis of the game is concise and absolutely on point!

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I would say you probably want to skip this one. The game as a whole is designed to be incredibly bleak, and while one can debate whether they actually met that goal, or argue for and against the artistic merit and philosophical rationale behind what is displayed, there’s no dodging that it frequently engages in extremely masochistic violence and torture (both physical and psychological) against almost every character, with the player character often being directly on either the giving or receiving end.

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It's an absolutely fantastic 10/10 game, but the story is so brutal that it stuck with me for weeks after I had completed it. I was really disturbed by it in a way no other video game has ever disturbed me - besides Outlast 2 maybe. Of course I'd recommend everybody to play this game due to how great it is, but... it really is a game that has the potential to leave you really sad and disturbed for a while.

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59 minutes ago, Sunnyburrito said:

I mean I don't really have a problem with it, heck I love Mortal Kombat, it's just that torture and mental abuse is something that makes me feel really bad, as I struggle with depression

It's full of torture and mental abuse, also very bleak and not a single character really gets "happily ever after" ending, plenty of them dies and it's not "heroic sacrifice" either. Also it's violent and gory, but more of a Manhunt style rather than MK. Part I is basically fun for the whole family compared to Part II, people even criticised Druckmann for it being too much of a "misery porn" (among other things lol)
I don't know your situation but it seems like it's not a game for you.

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1 hour ago, DrBloodmoney said:

So... here's the thing...

...I say this as someone who absolutely loved TLoU, and though TLoU Part II is better in every single way...

 

...yes.

 

The violence in the game is absolutely grotesque at times - it's deliberately so. 

 

TLoUII is one of the few games out there trying to make a legitimate point about the futility and horror of pursing violence, and the poisonous nature of vengeance.

It does it well - and a big part of that is in making the player see things from multiple sides of a conflict, humanising the people on both sides... and having the violence be so sickening and horrific to see - and forcing them to engage with it, from both ends - that the point lands.

 

I actually think it's not just a great game, but an important one - and that it succeeds in every aspect of that central thesis statement - but it only succeeds as well as it does, by really amping the viciousness of that violence... and the empathy the player has to the people involved.

 

It makes the player recoil, and hate what they are forced to do at times.

Because that is the point of the game, I don't think it is gratuitous - but given what you said, I do think you should know going in that, yes, there is some really fucked up stuff in that game, and it's designed to make you recoil.

Thank you for the great insight, as I already mentioned I really like how you write, It's precise and to the point, I'll get the game because for this quality of a game for that price would be a shame not to but I'll save it for the better days, seems like the whole thing is a misery trip but with a good story, I think I might enjoy it but I'll probably feel like when I played games like Detroid Become Human when you have to be rather evil for the bad endings, thanks again.

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1 minute ago, Sunnyburrito said:

I usually agree with you but not this time, it's an stellar game that went over most people's head, said people chose to ignore the game and its message and let their judgement be based solely on the first hours when the game, characters and settings are much more than that.

Without spoiling anything I can guarantee you that the harshest critiques I have seen of the game tend to be about the ending, about how some of the characters do not behave anything like they should, about the rather obvious attempts at emotional manipulation by the devs, of course also some for the shoehorning of certain politics, and about the fact that the game even fails to deliver the main message it and the devs said they wanted to deliver. The first few hours have a bad reputation, yes, but had the rest of the game not been so abysmal with its writing, then it would have been salvagable, but it only went further downhill. As it stands the main positive things of the game are the graphics, gameplay is mostly the same as the first game, characters are weak and replacable when compared to the original, writing is downright idiotic at times.

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I enjoyed the first 10 hours or so (the main reason a lot of people seem to shit on this game for was actually a part I liked and thought was well done) but the second half of the game really started to drag and I found it to be pretty depressing, I understand what they were going for but I was basically speedrunning the last few chapters of the game as I either didn't care about or just disliked the majority of the characters by the end of it

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3 minutes ago, Raidou Kuzunoha XIV said:

 

I'm so glad I finally decided to put him on my ignore list a while back, before I stumbled upon this post, lol (all the quoted posts of it after the fact don't help, but I ain't reading them knowing there's spoilers).

 

I've unfortunately already been pretty spoiled on TLOUS 2 anyway, despite trying my best to avoid spoilers, the internet was rife with them for quite some time, and continues to be. Reading some of the other posts here does make me want to actually finally get around to playing it sometime though - I wasn't a massive fan of the first game but I still enjoyed it, enough to warrant me buying the sequel, and then having it sit on my shelf collecting dust aside from SO playing it back at launch. By the time I eventually get around to it, maybe there'll be a PS5 remaster.

So was I, I pretty much knew everything just didn't see it, it's one of those games you either love it or hate it, I just finished it and I loved it, my personal GOTY.

7 minutes ago, Dauersack said:

Without spoiling anything I can guarantee you that the harshest critiques I have seen of the game tend to be about the ending, about how some of the characters do not behave anything like they should, about the rather obvious attempts at emotional manipulation by the devs, of course also some for the shoehorning of certain politics, and about the fact that the game even fails to deliver the main message it and the devs said they wanted to deliver. The first few hours have a bad reputation, yes, but had the rest of the game not been so abysmal with its writing, then it would have been salvagable, but it only went further downhill. As it stands the main positive things of the game are the graphics, gameplay is mostly the same as the first game, characters are weak and replacable when compared to the original, writing is downright idiotic at times.

I understand your view, but games, music, movies tend to mean different things to different people, I just finished the game and loved everything about it.

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9 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

 

Yeah, this game is brutal. There was a certain scene (I'll spoil which one below) that made me dissociate really hard and I stopped playing the game for about a month afterward because it's such an emotional slog to get to. It's a good game, but its story is honestly extremely unpleasant to play through. In terms of 'mental abuse' I'd say this is probably one of the heaviest games I've ever played, if not the heaviest, because it takes an almost gratuitous approach to heavy subjects. Pretty much the prime example or 'trauma porn', IMO.

 

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Ellie shooting the pregnant lady dead, the second time around. The first time it hadn't registered for me that she was pregnant. The second time I realized what had happened and it hit me all at once.

 

 

 

I just beat the game while ago, the part you mentioned made me feel nauseous, like a hole in my stomach, it was horrible, that's pretty much why I said if one brand Abby as the villain it's because they didn't get the point of the story, no one in that game was in the "right",  I honestly felt sorry for everyone there.

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38 minutes ago, Sunnyburrito said:

So was I, I pretty much knew everything just didn't see it, it's one of those games you either love it or hate it, I just finished it and I loved it, my personal GOTY.

 

The main thing I've been spoiled on is:

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Joel being killed off fairly early on, by Abby.

 

But it's not the first time I've been spoiled on a game before playing it, and I still look forward to eventually playing it regardless. May try to bump up its priority on my backlog and play it sometime in 2023.

 

21 minutes ago, Darling Baphomet said:

 

Yeah, this game is brutal. There was a certain scene (I'll spoil which one below) that made me dissociate really hard and I stopped playing the game for about a month afterward because it's such an emotional slog to get to. It's a good game, but its story is honestly extremely unpleasant to play through. In terms of 'mental abuse' I'd say this is probably one of the heaviest games I've ever played, if not the heaviest, because it takes an almost gratuitous approach to heavy subjects. Pretty much the prime example or 'trauma porn', IMO.

 

Weirdly enough, those kinds of descriptions of the game are what have me interested. Many of the games I've played throughout the years that have tragic stories often feel like they're holding themselves back to some extent, like they're cautious taking risks or exploring less-than-appealing human emotions in depth, so they play it a bit "safer", which is understandable. From the sounds of it, this game doesn't pull its punches and it intrigues me for it. Probably isn't the kinda game I'd want to play all the time, but I'm all for putting myself through psychological trauma via the realm of fiction once in a while.

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