Monster Hunter Rise and Sunbreak: tips and recommended weapons

[HoboTonyRedGrave]

I bought both games at launch and I have something like 1500 hours combined, did everything solo and I'm a huge fan of the series. Making this topic hoping to help new players out.

I'm going to divide the topic in major points:

 

1) weapon choice in base Rise: obviously the best choice would be what you enjoy the most. That being said, some weapons are better than others, if you want to be efficient and get the Plat as soon as possible then go with Long Sword for melee and Light Bowgun for ranged. In the base game Long Sword is broken because of its really high dps and insane amount of invincibility frames; its parry move (called Iai Spirit Slash) is stupid strong and the timing is not too strict; if used properly you become untouchable and can punish monsters when it's "their turn to attack". Basically you attack and deal a lot of damage, then the monster attacks and you still deal a lot of damage while avoiding the monster's hit.

The Light Bowgun is the weakest of the ranged weapons but its dps is better than every melee weapon, Long Sword included. It's not that much weaker than Heavy Bowgun and Bow but it's much safer and easier to use, very friendly weapon for newcomers.

 

2) weapon choice in Sunbreak: Long Sword got nerfed a lot, now you have to work harder and use a pretty wonky new skill, if you want to get close to the same results you would have got pre nerf.

The new best melee weapon dps-wise is Great Sword, but it's not easy to use because it requires good matchup knowledge and taking some risks against monsters that can hurt a lot. My best advice would be to go for the Switch Axe: its dps is not much lower than Great Sword's but it's a much safer weapon. In Sunbreak the Switch Axe gets the best counter in the game: really easy to use (timing is very easy to get) and deals great damage, especially with elemental weapons. The only downside for new players would be the low mobility this weapon has but a level or two of the skill Evade Extender is enough to fix this issue.

Light Bowgun is still the most reliable ranged weapon, really high dps combined with the safety of shoting from afar.

Disclaimer for ranged weapons: they get less physical defence (something like 30% less) but more elemental defence compared to melee weapons, do keep that in mind when making your choice.

 

3) Both Platinum trophies require you to get all golden crowns for all monsters, both small and large. Crowns drop rates are pretty bad in the base game, generally it's only 3%. Quests where you have to hunt the same monster twice (for example double Diablos) will never drop crowns because their size is fixed. Some event quests have guaranteed or much higher drop rates for some specific crowns but you will still need to grind the majority of them. Luckly drop rates get much better in Sunbreak (6% for small and 10% for large) and double monster quests will always drop both the small and larg crown for the that specific monster. I'd advice to wait and get both Plats once Sunbreak comes out, that's going to be much less stressful.

 

4) Do NOT farm too much in the base game, especially for charms. That's because of two reasons: first of all, once you get to Master Rank you can farm much better armors and weapons while the majority of your previous gear becomes obsolete. Secondly, charms in Rise and Sunbreak are not craftable, you get them with random skills and slots, but you can craft decorations (basically it's the opposite of World, were you can craft charms but decorations are random). 

In Rise the chances of getting a really good charm are insanely low, but thankfully they are much better in Sunbreak after you reach a certain point in the game. My advice is to get an endgame build or two for your weapon of choice (five if you use a weapon with heavy focus on element, like Dual blades). Work for the trophies with what you have while you wait for Sunbreak to come out in Spring.

 

These are the main points I wanted to make, let me know if you have any specific question regarding Rise/Sunbreak, I'll try to answer the best I can.

Edited January 5, 2023 by HoboTonyRedGrave

[MidnightDragon]

Thanks for the advice. Best case, how long do you think the plats will take?

Edited January 5, 2023 by MidnightDragon

[HoboTonyRedGrave]

9 hours ago, MidnightDragon said:

Thanks for the advice. Best case, how long do you think the plats will take?

Hard to tell. It depends heavily on personal skill, weapon of choice and luck. The longest part is going to be getting all golden crowns, for sure. I would say 100/150 hours if you are very efficient and lucky, most likely 200+ hours.

[ChibsSoA]

10 minutes ago, HoboTonyRedGrave said:

Hard to tell. It depends heavily on personal skill, weapon of choice and luck. The longest part is going to be getting all golden crowns, for sure. I would say 100/150 hours if you are very efficient and lucky, most likely 200+ hours.

interesting. I'm at 500 hours in world without the plat and this list's numbers (of similar trophies that exist in both) seem to be way higher. 

[HoboTonyRedGrave]

1 hour ago, ChibsSoA said:

interesting. I'm at 500 hours in world without the plat and this list's numbers (of similar trophies that exist in both) seem to be way higher. 

Consider that mine is just an estimate for the absolute best case scenario, that means knowing what you are doing from the start, completing hunts in 5 minutes or less and being extremely lucky with drop rates. Consider also that Rise is more fast paced than World and Low Rank is easier (you can also skip a good part of it). For what it's worth you can plat World in far less than 500 hours thanks to event quests that drop golden crowns.

Edited January 5, 2023 by HoboTonyRedGrave

[MidnightDragon]

Also, Sunbreak is still adding monsters, right? That ups what you have to do for the crowns, I think. 

[Zephrese]

2 hours ago, MidnightDragon said:

Also, Sunbreak is still adding monsters, right? That ups what you have to do for the crowns, I think. 

 

Assuming that Capcom alters the requirements for crown-related awards/trophies to include post-launch monsters in both Rise's and Sunbreak's case, then yes.

 

Rise's post-launch monsters would count towards Sunbreak regardless, IIRC, as they did for the original Switch release.

Edited January 5, 2023 by Zephrese

[HoboTonyRedGrave]

4 hours ago, MidnightDragon said:

Also, Sunbreak is still adding monsters, right? That ups what you have to do for the crowns, I think. 

Yes, but my estimate is just for base Rise. The Platinum for Sunbreak is going to be much longer and also harder because of Afflicted Monsters Investigations, the grindiest and hardest content so far. 

[Gattusso02]

Appreciate this info very much! Thank you!

[MidnightDragon]

33 minutes ago, HoboTonyRedGrave said:

Yes, but my estimate is just for base Rise. The Platinum for Sunbreak is going to be much longer and also harder because of Afflicted Monsters Investigations, the grindiest and hardest content so far. 

Sounds…great?  

[Cronopio--]

Are they both releasing at the same time?

[ChibsSoA]

2 hours ago, HoboTonyRedGrave said:

Yes, but my estimate is just for base Rise. The Platinum for Sunbreak is going to be much longer and also harder because of Afflicted Monsters Investigations, the grindiest and hardest content so far. 

 

What is your opinion on the game in general? I really, really enjoyed world. But everything I'm reading about rise is that it's a heavily watered down version that doesn't come anywhere near world's level of quality or fun factor. I will play it regardless but from what I've read my expectations got shot down pretty far from where they were. I'm assuming it's better than the 3DS/other one on switch, but just how much worse is it than world?

Edited January 6, 2023 by ChibsSoA

[MidnightDragon]

5 hours ago, Cronopio-- said:

Are they both releasing at the same time?

Rise releases this month, Sunbreak in the spring. 
 

7 hours ago, HoboTonyRedGrave said:

Yes, but my estimate is just for base Rise. The Platinum for Sunbreak is going to be much longer and also harder because of Afflicted Monsters Investigations, the grindiest and hardest content so far. 

So you said Rise plat was about 200 best case. What about Sunbreak?

[mrmivo]

I’m really undecided on whether to get Rise when it comes out this month or wait for Sunbreak to be released later in spring. Trophies aside, how much does Sunbreak impact the base game and change the overall experience?

[HoboTonyRedGrave]

9 hours ago, ChibsSoA said:

 

What is your opinion on the game in general? I really, really enjoyed world. But everything I'm reading about rise is that it's a heavily watered down version that doesn't come anywhere near world's level of quality or fun factor. I will play it regardless but from what I've read my expectations got shot down pretty far from where they were. I'm assuming it's better than the 3DS/other one on switch, but just how much worse is it than world?

It's a great game, gameplay is pretty similar to World but faster and different enough thanks to the Wirebug system so it also feels like a fresh new experience. If what you liked about World was the gameplay then you are going to like this as well, if what you like about World was the ecosystem and the hunting aspect of the game then be warned that Rise is more streamlined in that regard and that the game is more arcadey, so to speak. Rise is still receiving title updates as of now so it's still not complete, but if I have to choose between the two games plus their expansion well, that would be a tough choice. If I really have to pick a favorite then I would go with World by a real small margin; to me World is a 9.5 and Rise is a 9 so they are overall pretty close.

 

4 hours ago, MidnightDragon said:

So you said Rise plat was about 200 best case. What about Sunbreak?

Best case for Rise I said 100/150 hours. Sunbreak I would say 250/300 hours, depending on your weapon, skill level and if you choose the most efficient grinding strategy for leveling Afflicted Monsters quests (which is repeating the same quest that gives tons of leveling points).

 

2 hours ago, mrmivo said:

Trophies aside, how much does Sunbreak impact the base game and change the overall experience?

Sunbreak adds a lot of content to base game: a lot of new monsters, two new maps and expands the wirebug system with new moves and a new mechanic called Scroll Swap. Basically you can bring two different set of Wirebug Skills and swap between the two on the fly, adding more depth to the combat.

Edited January 6, 2023 by HoboTonyRedGrave

[mrmivo]

2 hours ago, HoboTonyRedGrave said:

Sunbreak adds a lot of content to base game: a lot of new monsters, two new maps and expands the wirebug system with new moves and a new mechanic called Scroll Swap.

 

Would you recommend waiting for Sunbreak?

[Sendai-Horatio]

Personally I've been going back and forth between getting Rise just because of the time commitment of Sunbreak. But Sunbreak will probably have the same trophy list as the switch version's awards and I think all of those are still single player if I'm not mistaken.

 

I did world and iceborne platinums, but what helped for a ton of crowns were quests and I do not think Rise or Sunbreak has equivalent quests.

[HoboTonyRedGrave]

2 hours ago, mrmivo said:

 

Would you recommend waiting for Sunbreak?

For the Plat yes, crowns for the base Rise roster are going to be much easier to get in Sunbreak.

 

17 minutes ago, Sendai-Horatio said:

I did world and iceborne platinums, but what helped for a ton of crowns were quests and I do not think Rise or Sunbreak has equivalent quests.

Some event quests in Rise and Sunbreak have high chances or 100% drop rate for some specific crowns. Drop rates for regular quests in Sunbreak are not bad at all (6% for small and 10% for large). I got the vast majority of them while playing casually.

[Sikutai]

I never play the Monster Hunter Games solo as the multiplayer is the best part of the series, I find the solo part boring. That's why I was never able to platinum Iceborne, even though I have the platinum in MHW.

 

Are there trophies in Rise that I can only earn in solo mode like in Iceborne?

 

 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2023 by Sikutai

[HoboTonyRedGrave]

47 minutes ago, Sikutai said:

Are there trophies in Rise that I can only earn in solo mode like in Iceborne?

The only thing that comes to my mind is Followers quest. Those are quests where you hunt monsters accompanied by two NPCs. Those are required for the Plat but are pretty easy.

I can't remember any Iceborne quest being solo only, you mean treasure hunts?

[Sikutai]

23 minutes ago, HoboTonyRedGrave said:

 

I can't remember any Iceborne quest being solo only, you mean treasure hunts?

 

Yes. I needed to be friends with these cat like thingings and i can increase the friendship only in Solo Mode.

[Sendai-Horatio]

3 hours ago, HoboTonyRedGrave said:

 

Some event quests in Rise and Sunbreak have high chances or 100% drop rate for some specific crowns. Drop rates for regular quests in Sunbreak are not bad at all (6% for small and 10% for large). I got the vast majority of them while playing casually.

The thing I'm talking about is having multiple event quests where there are a handful of monsters in each quest that are of large crown size.

 

Unless I missed it in the Rise quests lists, they only seem to give large crowns of specific monsters for special quests, and do not feature a bunch in each biome for large crowns like world does.

[HoboTonyRedGrave]

31 minutes ago, Sendai-Horatio said:

The thing I'm talking about is having multiple event quests where there are a handful of monsters in each quest that are of large crown size.

 

Unless I missed it in the Rise quests lists, they only seem to give large crowns of specific monsters for special quests, and do not feature a bunch in each biome for large crowns like world does.

Yeah I got you, what I'm saying is that between those few guaranteed crowns in event quests and the general drop rate being pretty decent, getting all crowns is Sunbreak is not going to take that long. Afflicted Investigations are the real grind in that game.

 

Edited January 6, 2023 by HoboTonyRedGrave

[Cronopio--]

Bought it I hope I can make lots of progress to be ready for Sunbreak

[miali20]

hi one question

any one  now if mh rise and sunbreak have 2 platinum trophy when come out on playstation? like world and iceborne

Edited January 18, 2023 by miali20