Camokidd87 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Ive had this problem for a while now but havent had time to dig into it. I keep getting an error message in notifications stating it cant upload my save game data or save game file due to already having the maximum amount of allowed saves. Is there a way to upgrade that? Is it based off a specific number based on which console? Im only receiving the message through ps4 notifications, does not show on ps3 or ps5. Im just curious as to what i could do to upgrade as i dont really want to delete my saves because i go back and finish games from years ago in my free time or simply like to revisit games from time to time. Im also curious as to what the maximum number even is. Anyone else ever encounter this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vanqishd Posted May 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) Unless I'm mistaken, it's not about the number of saves, but the size. It should be limited to 100GB. It's possible there's a 100GB limit for PS4 saves and another 100GB limit for PS5 saves. EDIT: I was kind of right, but not entirely. Here's the full information from Playstation's official website: You can save up to 100 GB of PS4 saved data and 100 GB of PS5 saved data. The number of PS4 saved data files you can store is limited to 1000. Edited May 28, 2023 by Vanqishd 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camokidd87 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 Just now, Vanqishd said: Unless I'm mistaken, it's not about the number of saves, but the size. It should be limited to 100GB. It's possible there's a 100GB limit for PS4 saves and another 100GB limit for PS5 saves. I considered that to be the reason but youd think itd say your cloud memory is full. It specifically says reached maximum amount of saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolm Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Camokidd87 said: I considered that to be the reason but youd think itd say your cloud memory is full. It specifically says reached maximum amount of saves. Check the edit of the post. For some reason the PS4 saves are limited to 1000 saves making the 100GB limit for PS4 saves just nonsense because there's only a few games that have big saves on PS4 and most saves are 10MB. So 1000 of those only makes 10GB. Add some bigger saves and maybe you'll hit 20GB if you really try. PS3 and PSVita have 1GB storage each, I'm not aware of any limit in the number of saves there. On PS3 I hit the max limit a few times but that was the 1GB I hit as you can see how much space you have free on the cloud. Edited May 28, 2023 by Kolm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick6146 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kolm said: Check the edit of the post. For some reason the PS4 saves are limited to 1000 saves making the 100GB limit for PS4 saves just nonsense because there's only a few games that have big saves on PS4 and most saves are 10MB. So 1000 of those only makes 10GB. Add some bigger saves and maybe you'll hit 20GB if you really try. PS3 and PSVita have 1GB storage each, I'm not aware of any limit in the number of saves there. On PS3 I hit the max limit a few times but that was the 1GB I hit as you can see how much space you have free on the cloud. I believe PS3 and 4 saves share the same 1000 limit as I have done clearing saves from either platforms to get under this threshold. As you mentioned above, very stupid limitation and it is rather pointless to boast about 100GB or whatever. Edited May 28, 2023 by Maverick6146 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kolm said: Check the edit of the post. For some reason the PS4 saves are limited to 1000 saves making the 100GB limit for PS4 saves just nonsense because there's only a few games that have big saves on PS4 and most saves are 10MB. So 1000 of those only makes 10GB. Add some bigger saves and maybe you'll hit 20GB if you really try. PS3 and PSVita have 1GB storage each, I'm not aware of any limit in the number of saves there. On PS3 I hit the max limit a few times but that was the 1GB I hit as you can see how much space you have free on the cloud. This^ I'm always running out of space in the PS4 cloud, because of the 1,000 file limit . I play a lot of games that generate a lot of files so have to spend a lot of time clearing space so I can upload the saves for the game I'm currently working on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolm Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Maverick6146 said: I believe PS3 and 4 saves share the same 1000 limit as I have done clearing saves from either saves to get under this threshold. As you mentioned above, very stupid limitation and it is rather pointless to boast about 100GB or whatever. I didn't notice the PS3 saves counting for the same 1000 limit as the PS4... yet... Despite the many saves and games I played I didn't hit the 1000 limit yet on PS4 but I do remember hitting the 1GB on PS3 because of the many Skyrim and Fallout 3/New Vegas saves I had I know the PS3 and PSVita 1GB are separate because I hit the limit on PS3 and could still upload new stuff on PSVita. 1 minute ago, HuntingFever said: This^ I'm always running out of space in the PS4 cloud, because of the 1,000 file limit . I play a lot of games that generate a lot of files so have to spend a lot of time clearing space so I can upload the saves for the game I'm currently working on. Someone also told me that this clear up from PS4 saves is even more annoying if you're on PS5 because all the PS4 files are grouped into one big savefile on PS5 without the ability to manage what's in this big savefile. Unless you're able to boot the game they belong to and manage them ingame. But I just checked and through settings when you select 'Save Data and Game/App Settings' and then go to 'Saved Data (PS4)' -> 'Cloud storage' and select 'Delete' there's an option behind the game title to 'edit' the saves and then you can delete individual game saves. If you use the checkbox before the game title it'll delete everything for that game. The same 'edit' option exists if you select 'Console storage' instead of 'Cloud storage'. So I'm guessing they added this 'Edit' option which should've been there from the beginning! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camokidd87 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 I appreciate all you guys help. So the limit is 100gb supposedly but the 100gb is null if you hit 1,000 saves. Kinda dumb. If its 100gb you should be able to save as many files as you want until its full. I guess ill find the time to comb through and clear out some that i beleive ill never revisit again. Thank you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolm Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Camokidd87 said: I appreciate all you guys help. So the limit is 100gb supposedly but the 100gb is null if you hit 1,000 saves. Kinda dumb. If its 100gb you should be able to save as many files as you want until its full. I guess ill find the time to comb through and clear out some that i beleive ill never revisit again. Thank you again. It's actually plain false advertising. They always boasted with the 100GB and in the beginning the small text didn't even contain info about the 1000 file limit. Also: Originally we only had 10GB cloud storage on PS4. It was upped to 100GB in February 2019. Probably something internally prevented them to go over 1000 PS4 files for 1 user so the absolute win in size was small. Good luck with cleaning up! I'm dreading the day that will happen to me... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukwendo Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 This just happened to me too. I'm glad I'm not alone, but I also feel incensed since those 1000 files are using such a small amount of space. It feels like false advertising - never in my life have I seen a file count limit concerning memory storage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floorkiller74 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I ran out of space on PS3 saves many, many years ago. I have plenty of space on the PS4, so I don't think they share the same pool. PS4 used to have a smaller limit, because I was once full there too, again, years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Bane999 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Kolm said: It's actually plain false advertising. They always boasted with the 100GB and in the beginning the small text didn't even contain info about the 1000 file limit. Also: Originally we only had 10GB cloud storage on PS4. It was upped to 100GB in February 2019. Probably something internally prevented them to go over 1000 PS4 files for 1 user so the absolute win in size was small. Good luck with cleaning up! I'm dreading the day that will happen to me... I believe it's probably just to make easier to load without going way overboard. I'm sure alot of us have seen the number of times it takes PSN to load your library or trophies after you have 1000 games loaded. Even the download list on PS3 and Vita is a mess at times with random refreshes partway sometimes as you scroll through. It's probably just makes it easier for them and for all players not to have to wait for substantially large list to load. Though I've hit my PS4 limit probably more from uploading saves from games like Minecraft were saving and uploading massive creations of course take more space up. Edit: Also screw the games that have like seven different save files for every bit of option or character customization that also eats up the file limit. Edited May 28, 2023 by Lord_Bane999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewDust Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 yeah, supposedly the limit is/was 1000 saves, but I find that hard to imagine with the amount of saves I have amassed since PS3/PSV/PS4 and now PS5. I recall a bug with saves, but cannot think of the actual issue or solution that was offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poindexter2291 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I ran into this issue a couple years ago and ended up trimming down a lot of save files and transferring them to external devices to get around it. It blows my mind that somehow Sony has a limit of 1000 files that is causing this problem. I never delete save data, EVER, unless I have a save to replace it. Sony has to have a way to fix this issue... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrEvilGuapo Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I’ve had this issue for a long time. I deleted a lot of game saves from the PS4 cloud, but I still hit the save file limit. I’ve given up on the thought of having cloud saves for PS4 data. Fortunately, they ‘fixed’ the issue with PS5 so that each game has one associated ‘save’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Overlord Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 And this is a good reason why the PS5 with it's PS+ only save backup is fucking retarded, there's always going to be a limit, yet now we have no way to bypass that (external backup was an easy alternative). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolm Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, Floorkiller74 said: I ran out of space on PS3 saves many, many years ago. I have plenty of space on the PS4, so I don't think they share the same pool. PS4 used to have a smaller limit, because I was once full there too, again, years ago. Beware that on PS4 the bar showing how much your storage is filled, is based on size and not on number of files. So you could be 10% full on that bar, thinking you have a lot of space left while in reality you're only 1 save away from the 1000 limit. There's no easy way (that I'm aware of) to see how many files you have apart from counting them manually. And it was indeed made bigger from 10GB on release to 100GB/1000 files in 2019. The size is separate for each platform. Discussion is if the number of files is combined for PS3 and PS4. I can't test it myself since I didn't hit the 1000 limit error but I don't think it is since the size is also separate. I think each has their own pool of storage so the number would only be a limit for the pool of PS4 saves. 11 minutes ago, Lord_Bane999 said: I believe it's probably just to make easier to load without going way overboard. I'm sure alot of us have seen the number of times it takes PSN to load your library or trophies after you have 1000 games loaded. Even the download list on PS3 and Vita is a mess at times with random refreshes partway sometimes as you scroll through. It's probably just makes it easier for them and for all players not to have to wait for substantially large list to load. Though I've hit my PS4 limit probably more from uploading saves from games like Minecraft were saving and uploading massive creations of course take more space up. It might be a technical limitation on the fileserver. I do remember reading some speculation on that subject. Claiming that depending on what type of server they might use that a folder could not contain more than 1000 (or 1024) files, but couldn't find the source again. From experience I know that on a Windows system, opening a folder with a lot of folders can freeze the system if you use the default Windows explorer. Think of 100000+ folders, in this case made by an application. And also on Windows, the standard copy function will only copy the files with a full path (includes file name) that is not longer than 256 characters and will give no warning if you copy a map containing files with a path longer than 256 characters. You can get around it by using a different copy command. So file storage can have some weird things you don't expect. 5 minutes ago, NewDust said: yeah, supposedly the limit is/was 1000 saves, but I find that hard to imagine with the amount of saves I have amassed since PS3/PSV/PS4 and now PS5. I recall a bug with saves, but cannot think of the actual issue or solution that was offered. The limit of 1000 is clearly without PS5 as they state that. Personally I think the limit of 1000 is only on PS4 because the size of PS3 and PS4 is also specified separately. -- About the 1000 limit only being PS4 or PS3+PS4: Unless someone has not hit the size limit on PS3 but did hit the limit error on PS4 when uploading, there's no way to be sure. Only this type of profile could try to remove a file on PS3 cloud and then see if they can upload an extra file on PS4 cloud. There's no way to see what your total number of files is unless you count them manually. I don't think the number is combined because then the size would have been already combined with maybe an extra cap of 1GB on PS3 files. On top of that a lot more people would have hit this limit years ago, myself including. 2 minutes ago, DrEvilGuapo said: I’ve had this issue for a long time. I deleted a lot of game saves from the PS4 cloud, but I still hit the save file limit. I’ve given up on the thought of having cloud saves for PS4 data. Fortunately, they ‘fixed’ the issue with PS5 so that each game has one associated ‘save’. Now I remember the problem my buddy had that I mentioned earlier. It was not with PS4 saves but with PS5 saves being bundled into 1 big savefile without the option to manage the saves within this bundle. Just tried and no way to edit that bundle unless you do it ingame. Another thing that annoys me: Not being able to back-up PS5 saves on USB. Probably just because they want one less attack surface/point of entry for hackers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrEvilGuapo Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Kolm said: About the 1000 limit only being PS4 or PS3+PS4: Unless someone has not hit the size limit on PS3 but did hit the limit error on PS4 when uploading, there's no way to be sure. Only this type of profile could try to remove a file on PS3 cloud and then see if they can upload an extra file on PS4 cloud. There's no way to see what your total number of files is unless you count them manually. I don't think the number is combined because then the size would have been already combined with maybe an extra cap of 1GB on PS3 files. On top of that a lot more people would have hit this limit years ago, myself including. I have not hit the limit on PS3 or Vita, but have on PS4. Specifically, I’ve hit the save file limit on PS4 (not the space limit). I can still upload new save data for PS3 and Vita. So, to be sure, the save file limit is discrete for PS4. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolm Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 1 hour ago, DrEvilGuapo said: I have not hit the limit on PS3 or Vita, but have on PS4. Specifically, I’ve hit the save file limit on PS4 (not the space limit). I can still upload new save data for PS3 and Vita. So, to be sure, the save file limit is discrete for PS4. Thanks for confirming So each platform has his own limit: PS3: 1GB PSVita: 1GB PS4: 100GB/1000 files PS5: 100GB 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 (edited) According to this site: https://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/game/3savedata.html The PS3 has the 1000 file limit as well. I don't know about the Vita, but I would assume it's the same. The question really comes down to whether the PS5 still has this issue, and considering you can't backup your saves to a an external device, it could be an even bigger problem for people in the future. Edited May 29, 2023 by Viper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camokidd87 Posted May 29, 2023 Author Share Posted May 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, Viper said: According to this site: https://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/game/3savedata.html The PS3 has the 1000 file limit as well. I don't know about the Vita, but I would assume it's the same. The question really comes down to whether the PS5 still has this issue, and considering you can't backup your saves to a an external device, it could be an even bigger problem for people in the future. Sony should really just up the limit. Theres no point of boasting that they give you 100gb if its based off a file limit. Also theyre apparently about to get huge in cloud gamung and cloud streaming so for those streaming tons of games from ps plus premium ect they will fill up eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUDGER666 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 Imo 1000 files is more than enough. You can always just copy saves to usb if they allow it which most do from my experience. Just go through al l the saves and delete the ones you don't need, surly you don't need them all. Looking at the games you play it's all those easy games so I'm not sure as to why you need to keep those, unless they are cross save? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingFever Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, GUDGER666 said: Imo 1000 files is more than enough. You can always just copy saves to usb if they allow it which most do from my experience. Just go through al l the saves and delete the ones you don't need, surly you don't need them all. Looking at the games you play it's all those easy games so I'm not sure as to why you need to keep those, unless they are cross save? That's fine if you're done with a game or won't be playing it for a while but if you are actively working on something like e.g. Lego Worlds, PowerWash Simulator, Death Stranding, Bioshock: Infinite, Fallout 4 or the Serious Sam Collection that creates a ton of saves everytime you do something, managing Cloud space becomes a tedious PITA to deal with . Edited May 29, 2023 by HuntingFever Update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolm Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 On 29-5-2023 at 4:05 PM, Viper said: According to this site: https://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/game/3savedata.html The PS3 has the 1000 file limit as well. <image> I don't know about the Vita, but I would assume it's the same. The question really comes down to whether the PS5 still has this issue, and considering you can't backup your saves to a an external device, it could be an even bigger problem for people in the future. That's an interesting find! But compared to PS4 there's a bigger chance you'll hit the 1GB before hitting the 1000 files limit. 1GB is 1024MB and a savefile on PS3 can be smaller than 1MB but often they're just a bit over 1MB. That's excluding games like Skyrim and Fallout which are very quickly at 5MB and keep on growing up to 15MB at which point those games become a freezing mess. Originally the limit on PS3 was 100MB or so. On PS4 it's in my opinion impossible to hit the 100GB limit within the 1000 limit file. Maybe 20GB if you try very hard. That's what makes it false advertising to me when it comes to PS4! For PS5 they no longer mention the file limit while in the same line they mention it for PS4 (see 2nd post in this topic). So I guess they heard the complaints? On 29-5-2023 at 5:35 PM, GUDGER666 said: Imo 1000 files is more than enough. You can always just copy saves to usb if they allow it which most do from my experience. Just go through al l the saves and delete the ones you don't need, surly you don't need them all. Looking at the games you play it's all those easy games so I'm not sure as to why you need to keep those, unless they are cross save? It has happened quite a few times that DLC was added to a game years after release or the previous DLC and then it can make your life easier if you still have the savefile. Or that the free upgrade from PS4 to PS5 comes months after you finished it and it has cross save. On top of that, USB or hard drive can also fail after a while. My main backup USB stick gave in after a few years and my buddy had a burglary in which his PS3 and external hard drive was also stolen. He always made backups of his saves but at the time (10 years ago) he didn't use online storage. Lost over 500 hours in Skyrim and never went back to it because of that. For me the clean-up would be more in RPG's (or similar) in which I often make way too many saves to be able to get back out of a bad choice I made. If I have 50 saves for a game, I can get rid of quite some probably. If you play a lot of RPG's, 1000 files is nothing... And point still stands that 1000 files is far from the 100GB they advertise with and this cleanup at 1000 might get annoying once you're at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POMARANCZA123PL Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 On 28.05.2023 at 3:28 PM, Kolm said: Check the edit of the post. For some reason the PS4 saves are limited to 1000 saves making the 100GB limit for PS4 saves just nonsense because there's only a few games that have big saves on PS4 and most saves are 10MB. So 1000 of those only makes 10GB. Add some bigger saves and maybe you'll hit 20GB if you really try. PS3 and PSVita have 1GB storage each, I'm not aware of any limit in the number of saves there. On PS3 I hit the max limit a few times but that was the 1GB I hit as you can see how much space you have free on the cloud. The cloud is not only for save files. It also stores videos and screenshots that are synced with PSApp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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