ShogunCroCop Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Standings and statistics are updated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wdjat Prinny Doods Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) (1) Wdjat Prinny Doods (126.9) v (37) Flex_Da_Brent Sorry @Flex_Da_Brent but there was only room for one flexing superstar at the top Edited November 29, 2020 by Wdjat Prinny Doods 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu3st4rdust305 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 6 hours ago, ShogunCroCop said: It might be a loophole. Which is why I am hoping to close it at the end of the season. Honestly, I don't really see a loophole. The rules are such that if you use a cross save (which would be obvious by a large number of trophies popping within a couple seconds), the trophies would not count. If the game is done without a save, it would count. Sound Shapes was mentioned earlier, which I would figure could actually be done in less than 6 hours, so it would not count, probably. A game like Miles Morales would take about 10-20 hours of playtime to platinum, so it should count, yeah? In effect: Did you get trophies with a cross save? -- (YES) --> No points | (NO) | V Is the game's "not autopop top 50" less than 6 hours? --(YES)--> No points | (NO) | V Yay, points for you! If this is too cumbersome to track on a event management level, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex_Da_Brent Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, blu3st4rdust305 said: Honestly, I don't really see a loophole. The rules are such that if you use a cross save (which would be obvious by a large number of trophies popping within a couple seconds), the trophies would not count. If the game is done without a save, it would count. Sound Shapes was mentioned earlier, which I would figure could actually be done in less than 6 hours, so it would not count, probably. A game like Miles Morales would take about 10-20 hours of playtime to platinum, so it should count, yeah? I might be completely wrong here, but you technically could just create a whole bunch of seperate save files on the ps4 version (like after each earned trophy) in order to kinda disguise cross saving it to the ps5 afterwards (to use for another season of the THL). Now I absolutely don't think anyone here would actually go that far to cheat (or cheat in general), it's a bit farfetched and it would be quite a cumbersome process for the cheater as well, but the possibility of doing it is there I guess, which is the loophole. Edited November 30, 2020 by Flex_Da_Brent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_Darren Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, blu3st4rdust305 said: Honestly, I don't really see a loophole. The rules are such that if you use a cross save (which would be obvious by a large number of trophies popping within a couple seconds), the trophies would not count. If the game is done without a save, it would count. Sound Shapes was mentioned earlier, which I would figure could actually be done in less than 6 hours, so it would not count, probably. A game like Miles Morales would take about 10-20 hours of playtime to platinum, so it should count, yeah? In effect: Did you get trophies with a cross save? -- (YES) --> No points | (NO) | V Is the game's "not autopop top 50" less than 6 hours? --(YES)--> No points | (NO) | V Yay, points for you! If this is too cumbersome to track on a event management level, that makes sense. There is no way to know if Sound Shape can be done in less than 6 hours now since all the leaderboards are shown auto pop time. We can't rely on he said or I said, there are a lot games like this (Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time). There will be more in the future, there should be something to reference. Even though Sound Shape can be done under 6 hours, but there is no way to prove it. Under current rules, it should be counted if people play it without using cross save. That is the loophole. I think remove " which is not 'cross-saveable' " from rule 4 should solve the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu3st4rdust305 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Flex_Da_Brent said: I might be completely wrong here, but you technically could just create a whole bunch of seperate save files on the ps4 version (like after each earned trophy) in order to kinda disguise cross saving it to the ps5 afterwards (to use for another season of the THL). Now I absolutely don't think anyone here would actually go that far to cheat (or cheat in general), it's a bit farfetched and it would be quite a cumbersome process for the cheater as well, but the possibility of doing it is there I guess, which is the loophole. I get it. Yeah, that had not crossed my mind. This would be imperceptible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 16 hours ago, GTA_Darren said: There is no way to know if Sound Shape can be done in less than 6 hours now since all the leaderboards are shown auto pop time. We can't rely on he said or I said, there are a lot games like this (Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time). There will be more in the future, there should be something to reference. Even though Sound Shape can be done under 6 hours, but there is no way to prove it. Under current rules, it should be counted if people play it without using cross save. That is the loophole. I think remove " which is not 'cross-saveable' " from rule 4 should solve the problem. I have considered this option. I am not sure of the ratio of games that are cross-saveable to those that are not, but I imagine there are far fewer cross-saveable games. I anticipated these sorts of issues with the release of the new console, so it is definitely worth talking about. 19 hours ago, blu3st4rdust305 said: Honestly, I don't really see a loophole. The rules are such that if you use a cross save (which would be obvious by a large number of trophies popping within a couple seconds), the trophies would not count. If the game is done without a save, it would count. Sound Shapes was mentioned earlier, which I would figure could actually be done in less than 6 hours, so it would not count, probably. A game like Miles Morales would take about 10-20 hours of playtime to platinum, so it should count, yeah? In effect: Did you get trophies with a cross save? -- (YES) --> No points | (NO) | V Is the game's "not autopop top 50" less than 6 hours? --(YES)--> No points | (NO) | V Yay, points for you! If this is too cumbersome to track on a event management level, that makes sense. That is how I had been interpreting the rule the whole time. I do know Sound Shapes has not counted for some seasons even before I took over, so I am not sure the best way to resolve this. As @GTA_Darren said, maybe removing the "with cross-save" section of Rule 4 is the way to go. I don't know. That's why I feel like this should be up for discussion before Season 30. Maybe some of us are overthinking it, but your grid seems correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 I didn't completely read the last two pages but I think I understand what's going on. Just wanted to pop in and say that in the previous seasons a game that is auto-poppable would never count. It doesn't matter whether it's your first stack and you did everything legit or not, games that were auto-poppable never counted because there were always at least 50 people who already auto-popped it. We used to only look at the first 50 achievers, that's it. Not at the first 50 achievers who achieved it without auto-pop or anything like that. Whatever you do with that now is up to you . Just wanted to clear up how the rule was intended and how we always used it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Lucas said: I didn't completely read the last two pages but I think I understand what's going on. Just wanted to pop in and say that in the previous seasons a game that is auto-poppable would never count. It doesn't matter whether it's your first stack and you did everything legit or not, games that were auto-poppable never counted because there were always at least 50 people who already auto-popped it. We used to only look at the first 50 achievers, that's it. Not at the first 50 achievers who achieved it without auto-pop or anything like that. Whatever you do with that now is up to you . Just wanted to clear up how the rule was intended and how we always used it. Thanks, that helps. And I think that's what makes the wording of Rule 4 confusing, especially as it pertains to cross-save games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wdjat Prinny Doods Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Lucas said: I didn't completely read the last two pages but I think I understand what's going on. Just wanted to pop in and say that in the previous seasons a game that is auto-poppable would never count. It doesn't matter whether it's your first stack and you did everything legit or not, games that were auto-poppable never counted because there were always at least 50 people who already auto-popped it. We used to only look at the first 50 achievers, that's it. Not at the first 50 achievers who achieved it without auto-pop or anything like that. Whatever you do with that now is up to you . Just wanted to clear up how the rule was intended and how we always used it. Not to complicate this situation but this isn't true. I came up with this rule back when I ran the league and we counted the game as long as the trophies weren't autopopped. At the time the rule was made we had a rule that any game where the 50th time was under 4 hours didn't count instead of 6 plus the common games where autopops occured was Sound Shapes and Thieves in Time so those plats weren't a problem. This was years ago though and obviously thing are a bit different now. I guess maybe you changed this up when you ran it but originally those games did count when the rule was made. Obviously up to the current regime to determine how they want to handle this 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Wdjat Prinny Doods said: Not to complicate this situation but this isn't true. I came up with this rule back when I ran the league and we counted the game as long as the trophies weren't autopopped. At the time the rule was made we had a rule that any game where the 50th time was under 4 hours didn't count instead of 6 plus the common games where autopops occured was Sound Shapes and Thieves in Time so those plats weren't a problem. This was years ago though and obviously thing are a bit different now. I guess maybe you changed this up when you ran it but originally those games did count when the rule was made. Obviously up to the current regime to determine how they want to handle this Interesting. I didn't change anything about the rule per se, guess I and my counters just interpreted it differently than you did lol. Interesting that nobody has ever pointed this out before then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Fixture 9, the penultimate fixture: Platinum League GTA_Darren v Wavergray ShogunCroCop v Redbeard-Rik microsamm v Arctic Cress Gold League theshywaterguy v Psy-Tychist iSkyIa v X18JELLO18X shadowhood1111 v blu3st4rdust305 Silver League Boooda v FallacyUnknown stupid0089 v Krazy_99 BraveNoobWorld v AffectatiousDonk Bronze League Wdjat Prinny Doods v OmegaFenron AmarisSkye v Ichiban-Hybrid me3lingual v Flex_Da_Brent Manganese League Zach v Sptj7 TheScruffyTon v dawnofthedead34 BYE: freddie1989 It started 16 minutes ago. Good luck! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Platinum League GTA_Darren (48.9) v (26.8) ShogunCroCop Arctic Cress (52.2) v (34.5) Redbeard-Rik microsamm (4) v (20.8) Wavergray Gold League theshywaterguy (24.5) v (257.8) iSkyIa (1) (1) blu3st4rdust305 (184.8) v (18.5) X18JELLO18X shadowhood1111 (0) v (30.2) Psy-Tychist Silver League Boooda (27.5) v (34) stupid0089 (1) (2) AffectatiousDonk (162.9) v (2.3) Krazy_99 BraveNoobWorld (0) v (71.4) FallacyUnknown (1) Bronze League Wdjat Prinny Doods (19.9) v (60.9) AmarisSkye (1) Flex_Da_Brent (48.6) v (0) Ichiban-Hybrid me3lingual (27.9) v (8.3) OmegaFenron Manganese League freddie1989 (36.9) v (26.1) Sptj7 (1) TheScruffyTon (57.6) v (10.6) Zach BYE: (1) dawnofthedead34 (46) Standings and statistics will be updated shortly. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 My apologies on not updating the standings yet. It is coming. Just trying to get this project out the door for my boss. I really want the week of Christmas off, so I have to meet his deadline or I won't get it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Standings and statistics are updated. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 The final fixture matchups: Platinum League GTA_Darren v Redbeard-Rik microsamm v ShogunCroCop Wavergray v Arctic Cress Gold League theshywaterguy v X18JELLO18X shadowhood1111 v iSkyIa Psy-Tychist v blu3st4rdust305 Silver League Boooda v Krazy_99 BraveNoobWorld v stupid0089 FallacyUnknown v AffectatiousDonk Bronze League Wdjat Prinny Doods v Ichiban-Hybrid me3lingual v AmarisSkye OmegaFenron v Flex_Da_Brent Manganese League Zach v dawnofthedead34 freddie1989 v TheScruffyTon BYE: Sptj7 Fixture 10 begins in 17 minutes! Good luck! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sptj7 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 I was waiting for the ps5 at the beginning of this season and had lost motivation to get trophies so didn't get many points but since the PS5 release I've had 4 platinums so I'm ready to fight come next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) Here are the scores for Fixture 9: Platinum League GTA_Darren (224.6) v (88.9) Wavergray ShogunCroCop (15) v (40.5) Redbeard-Rik microsamm (8) v (148.6) Arctic Cress Gold League (1) theshywaterguy (96) v (100.7) Psy-Tychist iSkyIa (164) v (54.4) X18JELLO18X shadowhood1111 (0) v (110.8) blu3st4rdust305 Silver League Boooda (13.3) v (23.4) FallacyUnknown stupid0089 (34.7) v (53.7) Krazy_99 (2) BraveNoobWorld (0) v (189.4) AffectatiousDonk (3) Bronze League Wdjat Prinny Doods (25.5) v (4) OmegaFenron AmarisSkye (16.1) v (0) Ichiban-Hybrid me3lingual (26.4) v (46.6) Flex_Da_Brent Manganese League Zach (31) v (160) Sptj7 (2) TheScruffyTon (21) v (91.6) dawnofthedead34 BYE: (1) freddie1989 (41.6) Standings and statistics to be updated tomorrow. Edited December 8, 2020 by ShogunCroCop 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddie1989 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I again popped a plat on my bye fixture!!! Admittedly it was by accident but hey ho! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psy-Tychist Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 @blu3st4rdust305, congrats on winning the Gold League, don't go too hard on scoring points against me, I am away from all my consoles this week and will score no more points than are already there. Save them for the CWC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu3st4rdust305 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, Psy-Tychist said: @blu3st4rdust305, congrats on winning the Gold League, don't go too hard on scoring points against me, I am away from all my consoles this week and will score no more points than are already there. Save them for the CWC Thanks. I am just trying to drudge thru Shadow of Mordor. I seem to be struggling more than most with the 100%. Whatever points I put up will probably just be hard earned against what is left on that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavergray Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 @GTA_Darren congratulations on winning Platinum league. I tried to put up a good fight but halfway through world of final fantasy my drive just died for the season. Good luck in the CWC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wdjat Prinny Doods Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Psy-Tychist said: Save them for the CWC As a potential CWC participant I have to ask, why do you hate us dood? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunCroCop Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wavergray said: @GTA_Darren congratulations on winning Platinum league. I tried to put up a good fight but halfway through world of final fantasy my drive just died for the season. Good luck in the CWC. I second the Congratulations. I got bogged down with AC Odyssey and God of War, and those trophies do not pop fast and furiously, hence why I am going back to Gold for next season. By then, I should be fully restocked on ammo. To let all of you know, there have been a lot of suggestions to me by current and previous participants, @jemmie among them, about doing a Holiday special. Since the CWC is scheduled to run from Dec 12 to Dec 15, the season will end in plenty of time for this to happen. I am all on board with a Holiday special event. I do not know who wants to run it, but previous seasons have seen something similar. If an event special happens, more details will come, but even without one, we are going to take a Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Holiday break, so Season 30 will not be starting until sometime in early January. I know sometimes things change by then, so I'll be reaching out later to see who is still in for Season 30, and who is not. Edited December 8, 2020 by ShogunCroCop 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemmie Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, ShogunCroCop said: I second the Congratulations. I got bogged down with AC Odyssey and God of War, and those trophies do not pop fast and furiously, hence why I am going back to Gold for next season. By then, I should be fully restocked on ammo. To let all of you know, there have been a lot of suggestions to me by current and previous participants, @jemmie among them, about doing a Holiday special. Since the CWC is scheduled to run from Dec 12 to Dec 15, the season will end in plenty of time for this to happen. I am all on board with a Holiday special event. I do not know who wants to run it, but previous seasons have seen something similar. If an event special happens, more details will come, but even without one, we are going to take a Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Holiday break, so Season 30 will not be starting until sometime in early January. I know sometimes things change by then, so I'll be reaching out later to see who is still in for Season 30, and who is not. But...there already is a Holiday Special. Granted, this is the first Holiday Special I've done that overlaps with a main season (it starts in a few hours actually), so I can see someone not acknowledging this as a THL Holiday Special in the traditional sense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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