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The snow in Buffalo is amazing, really making it a fun game to watch 

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24 minutes ago, skidmarkgn said:

Si, if you're running the ball the only thing that has to happen is the very tip of the nose of the ball crossing the very edge of the goal line and, touchdown. 

 

Throwing it however, you seem to have to catch the ball, get both feet down inside the lines, write and submit a pre-written thesis on the intention and design of the entire drive, then survive a review where they make sure all ten fingers and toes never lose contact with the ball.  Do all that and maybe... maaaaaaaybe they'll call it a TD.  

 

The point, the rule that caused the reversal against the Vikings in the end-zone is one of the reasons people are getting fed up with the game.  Fix it.  Ball caught, two feet, or one elbow, or a knee, or etc. etc down, touchdown.  Period.  It's not that hard.

 

It's the NFL.. Everything is hard, not to mention that virtually everything defies logic and common sense, too.

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51 minutes ago, skidmarkgn said:

Si, if you're running the ball the only thing that has to happen is the very tip of the nose of the ball crossing the very edge of the goal line and, touchdown. 

 

Throwing it however, you seem to have to catch the ball, get both feet down inside the lines, write and submit a pre-written thesis on the intention and design of the entire drive, then survive a review where they make sure all ten fingers and toes never lose contact with the ball.  Do all that and maybe... maaaaaaaybe they'll call it a TD.  

 

The point, the rule that caused the reversal against the Vikings in the end-zone is one of the reasons people are getting fed up with the game.  Fix it.  Ball caught, two feet, or one elbow, or a knee, or etc. etc down, touchdown.  Period.  It's not that hard.

 

I always thought that just hovering your hand over the line making a touchdown was retarded. Even if you jump and hit the pylon and go OOB counting, to me, is retarded. Get your goddamn body into the fucking endzone. 

 

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How perfect that seconds after I posted this, that the Panthers scored one of these ridiculous TDs. Whole body in the air, ball just crosses the line, ball leaves hands either a split second before, or at the same time the feet would have touched the ground...outside of the endzone. :facepalm:  (at least it looked like he landed outside to me)

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Poor incompetent Browns.  Up by 2 tds in the forth, but can't hold on.  couldn't hold out for 17 secs?  Goodbye in overtime...

 

Weren't all the "experts" saying how chiefs D was going to get trampled?  The ones I saw anyway.

 

Woah!  What did the bears eat for breakfast?  I need some of that!

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11 minutes ago, dmsleight said:

Poor incompetent Browns.  Up by 2 tds in the forth, but can't hold on.  couldn't hold out for 17 secs?  Goodbye in overtime...

 

Weren't all the "experts" saying how chiefs D was going to get trampled?  The ones I saw anyway.

 

Woah!  What did the bears eat for breakfast?  I need some of that!

Bengals must've still been sore from Monday's game against Pittsburgh and yeah it's amazing how the Browns find ways to lose games. yeah all the people saying chiefs would lose today :giggle:, i wasn't one though 😙

 

also Jimmy G is 2-0 with 49ers

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Gonna be one of those games huh.  In the time it took me to type this literally two flags were thrown on the Jags' punt return.  After a no-call early in the game the commentary team stated they were gonna "let 'em play"  I guess the officiating team heard that and took offense.  Gotta feeling it's going to be another 100+ penalty yard game for the Hawks.

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3 hours ago, skidmarkgn said:

Si, if you're running the ball the only thing that has to happen is the very tip of the nose of the ball crossing the very edge of the goal line and, touchdown. 

 

Throwing it however, you seem to have to catch the ball, get both feet down inside the lines, write and submit a pre-written thesis on the intention and design of the entire drive, then survive a review where they make sure all ten fingers and toes never lose contact with the ball.  Do all that and maybe... maaaaaaaybe they'll call it a TD.  

 

The point, the rule that caused the reversal against the Vikings in the end-zone is one of the reasons people are getting fed up with the game.  Fix it.  Ball caught, two feet, or one elbow, or a knee, or etc. etc down, touchdown.  Period.  It's not that hard.

 

Agree. I'm actually more pissed off with the call on Keenum's "spiral fumble." Arm is moving forward in a passing mode, ball leaves hand as a pass (complete with spiral). And it's somehow called a fumble. Yet how many calls do you see that are reminiscent of the "tuck rule" where the QB has no intention of passing the ball but because his arm is moving forward at the time of the hit, it's not a fumble? Ridiculous. 

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When the season started I was hoping that, after watching the Mariners injury disaster (seriously, they set a record for the # of pitchers used in a season and had their full starting rotation for exactly 0 of the 162 game season), maybe there would be some balance with the Seahawks season... Avril (season), Sherm (season), Kam (season), Wagner (we'll see), KJ (we'll see), and Earl (3 games?).  Man, tough year for Seattle sports.

 

Just please do EVERYONE a favor Jacksonville, don't go limp against the Pats if you face 'em in the playoffs.  

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Now it's almost funny to see my niners play! Hope next offseason GM will settle OL (and some CB) and MAYBE they will be contenders again 😀

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horrible news if True thats being reported. Carson Wentz has reportedly tore his ACL , would be a massive loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

 

 

 

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Seahawks lose, Rams lose.  Next week is a big game, and Seattle has the practice squad playing.  Bennett (and maybe others) will probably be suspended too.  Ahh crap!  Go hawks!

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8 hours ago, dmsleight said:

Seahawks lose, Rams lose.  Next week is a big game, and Seattle has the practice squad playing.  Bennett (and maybe others) will probably be suspended too.  Ahh crap!  Go hawks!

 

I honestly hope Michael "I'm always the victim" Bennett is suspended.  I don't care how good of a player he is, he's also a scumbag and I'm sick of him making the Seahawks and their fans look bad.  He complains constantly about players being dirty and going after his knees then turns around and dives at a centers knees twice in one play... during a f--king victory formation play.  I didn't wanna hear any of the frustrated with the refs excuses with Gronk and I don't wanna hear it from Bennett either, the guy's just another "woe is me and my charmed life" asshole and I'm personally sick of him.  Next year I'd throw a party if Walsh, Ifedi and Bennett were gone from the team forever.

 

 

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Nice win by Miami, Cutler with a great game and how about the defense holding the Patriots to 0-11 on 3rd Down, first time since 1991 Pats with no 3rd Down completions, I wonder if the Patriots were looking a week

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15 hours ago, skidmarkgn said:

Next year I'd throw a party if Walsh, Ifedi and Bennett were gone from the team forever.

I can't imagine Walsh getting a new contract.  Bennett is going to get paid.  I'd expect you will get your wish.  SH's window might be shutting.  There could have some key retirements.  Some key contracts will run out soon.  They need to get young and cheap again (and remain talented, obviously).  And of course, have more than just scarecrows for OL men.

 

1 hour ago, Pokey said:

Nice win by Miami, Cutler with a great game and how about the defense holding the Patriots to 0-11 on 3rd Down, first time since 1991 Pats with no 3rd Down completions, I wonder if the Patriots were looking a week

They are looking weak heading into their biggest game.  Cutler beat them??  Cutler?  Brady vs Cutler? hahaha.  Seriously, I always have upset on the back of my mind when picking AFC north.  For some reason those games are especially volatile.

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A nice win by Miami, if only because it helps the Jets and their draft position and effectively guaranteeing that Gang Green finishes last now.  Because the Jets are probably going to lose out (@New Orleans, LA Chargers, @New England).

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Got so wrapped up in Michael Bennett's bullcrap that I forgot to mention something. 

 

Don't really get to see many Jacksonville games in this area (Washington state) and, going by their game against Seattle, they look to be a QB away from being the 2013 Seahawks.  They're physical, they're talented, and they're not afraid to tell you about it.  Their secondary is scary as hell and, again, if they had a real QB, they'd be my personal pick to play in Minnesota at the end.  Bortles had flashes of brilliance in the second half with a couple but they're too few and far between for him to carry a team.

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My Week 15 2017-18 NFL Tips 

 

Broncos over Colts

Lions over Bears

Chiefs over Chargers

Bills over Dolphins 

Vikings over Bengals 

Ravens over Browns 

Panthers over Packers 

Saints over Jets

Eagles over Giants 

Redskins over Cardinals 

Jags over Texans 

Seahawks over Rams

Titans over 49ers

Patriots over Steelers 

Cowboys over Raiders 

Falcons over Bucs

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23 hours ago, skidmarkgn said:

Don't really get to see many Jacksonville games in this area (Washington state) and, going by their game against Seattle, they look to be a QB away from being the 2013 Seahawks.  They're physical, they're talented, and they're not afraid to tell you about it.  Their secondary is scary as hell and, again, if they had a real QB, they'd be my personal pick to play in Minnesota at the end.  Bortles had flashes of brilliance in the second half with a couple but they're too few and far between for him to carry a team.

 

I thought I saw it somewhere that if you take Blake Bortles' stats and convert them into rate numbers and put them alongside Eli Manning's stats as converted into rate numbers, the two look startlingly similar.  And if that's really the case, Jacksonville already has their QB who could take them on a magical playoff run alongside a dominant defense because that's exactly what Eli Manning did twice in his career.

 

Of course, if that's really the case, it also should completely deflate Eli Manning's Hall of Fame argument.  Because nobody is arguing that Blake Bortles is a HoFer or even particularly good.

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1 hour ago, acasser said:

 

I thought I saw it somewhere that if you take Blake Bortles' stats and convert them into rate numbers and put them alongside Eli Manning's stats as converted into rate numbers, the two look startlingly similar.  And if that's really the case, Jacksonville already has their QB who could take them on a magical playoff run alongside a dominant defense because that's exactly what Eli Manning did twice in his career.

 

Of course, if that's really the case, it also should completely deflate Eli Manning's Hall of Fame argument.  Because nobody is arguing that Blake Bortles is a HoFer or even particularly good.

 

If Eli gets in, it'll be for two reasons: his last name and the NY market.  He would be the Joe Namath of his generation as he brought a Super Bowl title(s) to NYC. I'm actually shocked that Namath is even in the HOF. I know stats aren't everything, but in the 13 seasons he played in, he threw more INT's than TD's in 11 of them! Yes, it's true. To reiterate, he had only TWO seasons where the TD/INT ratio was on the beneficial side to his team.  Career-wise, Namath threw 173 TDs and 220 INTs.

Not trying to pick on the resident Jets fan but Namath's numbers just flabbergaste me. Find me a QB today that would last more than a season (much less 13) as a starter with a negative TD/INT ratio.

 

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On 12/10/2017 at 2:28 PM, Pokey said:

The snow in Buffalo is amazing, really making it a fun game to watch 

The Broncos coach complained the footage was useless for prepping for tonight because he couldn't see anything. xD 

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4 hours ago, PerryToxteth said:

 

If Eli gets in, it'll be for two reasons: his last name and the NY market.  He would be the Joe Namath of his generation as he brought a Super Bowl title(s) to NYC. I'm actually shocked that Namath is even in the HOF. I know stats aren't everything, but in the 13 seasons he played in, he threw more INT's than TD's in 11 of them! Yes, it's true. To reiterate, he had only TWO seasons where the TD/INT ratio was on the beneficial side to his team.  Career-wise, Namath threw 173 TDs and 220 INTs.

Not trying to pick on the resident Jets fan but Namath's numbers just flabbergaste me. Find me a QB today that would last more than a season (much less 13) as a starter with a negative TD/INT ratio.

 

 

I agree with you regarding Namath's HOF case (or lack thereof).  And why Eli is (probably) going to get into the HOF.

 

As for the interception rate?  I'd put it in the following context:  there were a lot more INTs back then, particularly when measured as a rate statistic.  Among other things, the rules changes that heavily favor the passing game and the offense have changed it so there aren't nearly as many INTs anymore.  And so that there are significantly more passing TDs because offenses have evolved that way.  So if a QB today put up Namath-esque numbers when it came to TDs and picks, he wouldn't last very long because he'd look a lot worse compared to his contemporaries.

 

To me, Eli Manning belongs in the "Hall of Very Good".  Retire his number if you're the Giants and stick him in the Ring of Honor, but there are a lot of contemporary QBs who are better than him without having to make much of a case.  Personally, I feel Eli Manning is the third best QB in his own draft class.  I'd actually apply the (in)famous Potter Stewart quote about pornography to Hall of Famers:  You'll know it when you see it.

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59 minutes ago, acasser said:

To me, Eli Manning belongs in the "Hall of Very Good".  Retire his number if you're the Giants and stick him in the Ring of Honor, but there are a lot of contemporary QBs who are better than him without having to make much of a case.  Personally, I feel Eli Manning is the third best QB in his own draft class.

 

Eli has never been great enough to compare him to the best QBs in NFL History, but he has been always there, well he missed a game because of a coach who wanted to be fired:(

Eli has kept the level high enough to be a decent starter, and when his team has had a good defense, they were able to win twice, that is all. Eli has no magic, he just does the job. He didn't miss a game because he takes the sack instead of trying something else more risky.

 

I am sure he will be inducted into HOF sooner or later more because of his name than for being an impact player.

 

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On Seahawks:

-They should kick Walsh out of the team by the end of the season and sign during training camp two or three young candidates to fight for the job.

 

-Michael Bennett still prone to get into trouble, seriously..I dont know how he does it. And also, I still remember the encroachment penalty after the infamous interception in SB XLIX. Brady had to sneak from the 1 yd line and it could have been a safety and the ball for SEA. It should have been a run to Lynch anyway.

 

-Sherman and Chancellor reach FA if I remember correctly, I would rather cut Bennett to make cap space and bring Sherman & Kam if possible.

 

-Offensive line is starting to work well. I would do something with Ifedi, too many penalties on him.

 

-Eddie Lacy doesn't fit for whatever reason. Prosise and Rawls suffer injuries every three snaps played.

 

-If Bobby Wagner injury turns out to be major, the season is already over. Bobby Wagner and Earl Thomas are the most important defensive players for Seahawks, because when Thomas was out last season it was more noticeable than now that Chancellor is the one out.

 

-If necessary, cutting G. Graham should be a smart move, since his dropped passes have not helped the team. Unless he keeps it up with redzone TDs, he could be gone for next year.

 

 

Sunday's game is the key to see if Seattle is going to the playoffs.

Also, the NFC South battle is gonna affect Seahawks chance to go to the playoffs if they don't win the division.

 

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21 hours ago, acasser said:

 

To me, Eli Manning belongs in the "Hall of Very Good".  Retire his number if you're the Giants and stick him in the Ring of Honor, but there are a lot of contemporary QBs who are better than him without having to make much of a case.  Personally, I feel Eli Manning is the third best QB in his own draft class.  I'd actually apply the (in)famous Potter Stewart quote about pornography to Hall of Famers:  You'll know it when you see it.

 

That's a perfect place for Eli - The Giants' Ring of Honor (or whatever they call it). There's never been a season in his career where one would say he was a Top 3 QB that season. He's always been in the :gold: level of QB's year in and year out, but never has been with the :platinum: crew of Peyton, Brady, Brees, Favre, Rodgers. In my eyes, he's ranked below guys like Rivers and Roethlisberger, and those guys are borderline HOFers (Big Ben might get in for Super Bowls).

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22 hours ago, charlijaen said:

 

-If necessary, cutting G. Graham should be a smart move, since his dropped passes have not helped the team. Unless he keeps it up with redzone TDs, he could be gone for next year.

 

 

They don't necessarily need to get rid of him, they just need to (once again) quit being so damn stubborn and trying to force something that will never be.  Watching Jimmy Graham it's obvious what he needs.  First and foremost, he needs be be involved EARLY in a a game.  If they ignore him early, he checks out mentally and disappears.  If they target him early and often, he becomes a monster.  Also, the dude CAN'T AND DOESN'T WANT TO BLOCK!!!!!!!!  It's so simple yet (once again) Pete and Bevell just can't accept that fact and (once again) force force force.

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