Popular Post Asuka Langley Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 NOTE: I know somebody's going to start reading, get halfway through then quote and put something intended to offend as this is the kind of topic that attracts that sort of attention. I want it to be noted right now that this is not a personal attack on anyone or attack on any group this is... a way to form some sort of understanding before somebody pulls out the wrong block on the jenga tower. Additionally I do not represent the opinions of any group or person other than me, myself and I. Please take the time to read this, I didn't take the time to write it for tldr's. Why do we need to talk? Well, putting it in the least offensive way possible; The anime/manga based community on the site is developing in a way that's causing some disarray with others. There are some who'll be willing to admit to that disarray, however others may choose to deny it and that's completely fine, however it is something that needs to be discussed with each member willing as it's something that we'll talk behind eachothers backs about, but never speak about in the open. This being said; When I say talk, I mean talk and not fight. The last thing we need in this discussion is people fighting, as we'll never come to an understanding that way. Yes, this does include the prevention of useless spam - especially those grill pictures. For now, I'll try to make my point as clear as possible and my argument as equal for both sides as I can, however no guarantees. How is the development causing disarray? Well, the answer to that can come up differently for each member. From what I've seen recently, there's been a bit of hate towards the Baka Hentai PP thread, including the brief appearance of the aforementioned grill pictures which resulted in the day ban of the member involved. A prime example Ecchi, a theme often seen as Hentai If we take a look at the larger picture however, and more to the long time problems then you'll notice that there's always been hate towards the Hyperdimension Neptunia part of the community, based around the facts that the whole game is pretty much a bunch of what is officially identified as "Ecchi" and how the players who enjoyed the games have their own Dakimakura - more commonly known as "Waifu Pillows". Terms such as "Pillow Fuckers" and "Weebs/Weeaboos" are often thrown around by members, however they're commonly cleaned up by the mods as they provoke chains of arguments as to who is/isn't and what the term does/doesn't mean. Additional to this, there's always been the connection of people who identify some anime and anime styled games as "Hentai" - more recently there was someone who posted on a trophy discussion for Mitsurugi Kamui Hikae "Oh, more child porn" (rough quotation). Having played this game before on steam, I can confirm that the characters both are definitely legal and most certainly look it, however due to the growing stereotypes related to japanese gaming that people see on the forums - due to the games that people usually follow and enjoy showcasing - people get the impression that as soon as another game from the region is announced it automatically is going to follow that theme. Now of course, this isn't solely the fault of anyone or any group on this forum, it's the growing stereotype with sources from everywhere, however I have observed certain factors of this growing stereotype on this forum... which I believe contribute to how the other people on this forum develop their version of the stereotype. Certain factors? Are you trying to blame us after all? No, as I said, this isn't the fault of one specific person or group, it's more of a vicious circle; Somebody says something that fuels the stereotype > Somebody gets offended > They tell their friends and effect their view of the stereotype > Somebody says something to fuel their changed view on the stereotype > Somebody gets offended > They tell their friends... Take for example... The lolicon. Now I understand that you may not be serious when you write about lolicon topics, or enjoying Loli based characters in games/anime to...specific extents... However it's not a topic to be taken lightly... however I'm going to need to use this - 99.9% chance of being offensive - video to show you how society views the lolicon (and please, if you are seriously a lolicon, pay attention to the end of the video with the DXD ending) Now that we've got the offensive PSA out of the way, I have to say that the ideal behind lolicon being the "nice way" to call someone a pedophile is true in a majority of peoples eyes, whether you accept that as your own view or not is up to you, but I have seen on several occasions, responses to loli based jokes on the forums, all revolving around that very concept. Hold on, surely you're picking on a specific group right now Yes, I'll admit in that instance I may have been picking on a specific group, however I'd like to bring it back around to the HDN crowd and how they play a large part in the depiction of the Anime community here on PSN Profiles... seeing as the majority of the Anime community that you see around do in fact enjoy HDN. People have a hard time understanding foreign concepts and lets be honest, there's a large ammount of active users who're anime fans who may enjoy anime with... questionable themes that other people see as hent- Stop coming back to Hentai and get to the point No. Because it is my point. For anyone who doesn't know what hentai is, it's most commonly known as a pornography catagory featuring cartoon girls and tentacles, however there are several variations of hentai including Yaoi (Boys' Love) and Yuri (Girls' Love), two genres that people misconstrue as Hentai exclusive. This seems to be the general understanding of the word hentai on the forums as well, however "Hentai" translates from japanese into "Pervert". Ultimate Hentai, Master Roshi. A quick google translate of Hentai in english over to japanese results in "エロ漫画" (Ero Manga). So based on this, claiming somebody is "Fapping over hentai" can be seen two ways - but will always be seen as the Ero Manga passage. But...What does that have to do with any of this? It brings me back to one of my earlier points that People have a hard time understanding foreign concepts. Because the stereotype has been made that hentai is just cartoon porn, they've been led to believe that every time the word is used it refers to that area. I'm sure quite a few were puzzled by the title of the newly created Baka Hentai PP when it appeared, and some probably will still believe the "Hentai" there to be cartoon porn and not pervert. So... what about the other people in the community Well, this is where I'm probably going to get shot at by the firing squad. As much as the stereotypes have been set up by the community and as much as it is entertaining to use them to your advantage in jokes and arguments... It's beginning to wear out fast. I won't deny being one of these people who've called out others as being weebs - but obviously I'm here to try to stop that and create some understanding - however I'm not the only one who has done it and I certainly won't be the last. I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but the jokes and abuse sent to some of the anime based community over the years hasn't stopped them from being who they are, and I dont expect any of them to change after reading this either. The fact that you've only sat back and continued to take the piss and not made any visible effort to try to understand why people are acting the way they are only goes to add to why they're continuing to do so. If you piss them off, then they're going to want to piss you off. Showing that you take offense to their actions, and trying to undermine them that way is giving them a direct method to continue to piss you off, as it has in any situation and always will. So what you're saying is that we have to be unconditionally nice to them? Wat? No. What the hell are you saying then? We need to talk, it's the title for gods sake and it's what this entire topic has been coming down to. I've sat back long enough seeing people take the piss out of the anime community and I'm sick of seeing the poor retorts from the Anime community to the offense that they've taken. What I'd like to ask people to do is very VERY calmly discuss this, and create some understanding over what they don't understand about specific behaviour ect. So that we can reduce the chances of any big fights that could be brewing, and to bring us closer together as a community. FOOTNOTE: It's 1AM. 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Boooda Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I kinda sorta get where you're coming from. I dont really get the vibe that theres a rift between the anime community on this site and...well, the non anime community for lack of a better term. At the end of the day, theres always going to be haters or people bitching for the sake of bitching. It really just boils down to ignorance and people taking offense too easily. People who are a little more vocally eccentric in regards to anime will probably push the buttons of someone completely oblivious to that community and it comes off strange I guess? I dont know, I've seen a great deal of community members on this site a lot more accepting of anime fans than not. Its up to you to be offended, but if you're one of those crazy super fans of ecchi games or games of the like, surely you understand the stigma that comes with that. And its clearly not stopped you yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuka Langley Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I kinda sorta get where you're coming from. I dont really get the vibe that theres a rift between the anime community on this site and...well, the non anime community for lack of a better term. [...] I dont know, I've seen a great deal of community members on this site a lot more accepting of anime fans than not. Personally I haven't seen as many people accept it as I'd like to tell you, I guess we're on different ends of the spectrum in this regard Though I do have to disagree with there being a lack of non-anime members in the community, they exist in quite a large number if you look, its just they're not active... perhaps because they feel slightly overwhelmed in some regard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Well right anyone should have seen me post coming, Tbh my English is crappy so apologies if I misunderstood half of your post after reading it and watching the full video. I guess when I look at lolis I have a limit, I am fine with that anime about the girl falling in love with a teacher? Why the fuck would I be? because there was no hentai, sure there was some comedy ecchi stuff but overall no they didn't fu*k when she was underage. If I see loli hentai, that isn't okay with my since my mind still tells me that they are children, the only thing I find cute about them is them being petite... but as mentioned I do not see the age and when I know the girl is 8 years old I sprint away at x5 speed. If I know the girl is legal and dresses in a lolita style, that's fine with me. This part of Japanese anime has been going for ages and imo many don't see that no one is trying to ''fuck a 8 year old'' it is more about the dresses, innocence and body type. It has been annoying me lately about the things people have to the anime community, I don't feel that me liking HDN or using anime... is somewhat bad. I met many anime fans on here, HDN fans too... and if you get to know them, they're good people. They don't run after Vert's butt or talk about fucking Plutia, people have their limits and I believe what people have problems with is understanding that anime fans who like ecchi have their limits. Going back to my point I am fine with that anime, I am fine with the first Bakamonagatari scenes, but when it came to the other seasons that did as well bother me. I find it sad that we even have such a thing as ''offending anime fans'' come on, really... can't we all get along. Not every anime game is a Harem, not every anime game is loli love, not every anime game is nonsence love. I will take Persona as a example, Is that about lolis, ecchi and hentai? Nowhere. I personally decided to not take offense, aka. People can fu*k themselves if they do not like me being a anime fan, I am open to opinion. I am open to accepting everyone's tastes, I don't offend people who don't like anime... so I ask people to not offend me. I have lived being called a ''freak'' in real life since I was little in two countries in both places I studied at. People wouldn't want to sit next to me, they would stare at me like a alien... why? this is gonna be funny... ''anime'' it sounds crazy doesn't it... I wasn't even watching hentai or ecchi... hmm well I guess things like Vampire Knight... idk is that a bit ecchi? but apart from that seriously, I have been outcasted from my Art class (higher level art a.k.a. art I chose. because my art style isn't ''western'' enough) I don't draw generic anime girls or boys I just draw bigger eyes, a bit more unrealistic hands but I don't do bad to the world. But since forever in real I have been taken as a freak liking anime~ So I learnt to sorry but not get offended. Edited November 24, 2015 by Raccoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty1027 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) I haven't really seen a lot of conflict between those who like anime and those who don't on this site. I see anime avatars more often than not, so I get the feeling anime is cool here. Then again, the only site I can compare with is 4chan, where West vs. East fighting is intense on a regular basis. Where do you see that stuff here? The West is still struggling with accepting a foreign culture. Throughout history there have always been notions that what is foreign is degenerate and should not be liked. Even if it's on a much smaller scale, any hatred toward anime, erotic or not, it's just our Western-ness kicking in and I don't care to make a big deal over it. I'll just keep living the otaku life, full on dakimakura-hugging, ramen-eating, take-mai-laifu-before-you-touch-my-waifu weeaboo, and I'll just let haters hate. There are lots of things that normal Westerners like that I absolutely despise, but I'm not going to publicly attack such things. It's really all about tolerance. One important skill to have in life is to be able to see someone enjoying something you don't like, and then saying, "That's cool dude" and leaving it at that. The amount of relaxation you get in life from being able to react in this way is insurmountable. Edited November 24, 2015 by rusty1027 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I have a quick question, a little quicky. Why does it matter to you what games I play? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I have a quick question, a little quicky. Why does it matter to you what games I play? Just curious. I love HDN so you're probably seeking answers from people who hate HDN, But I believe if I might be right it is the ecchi scenes and some characters looking underage and being underage. We are seen as perverts and pedos, so that decides what person we are to them resulting in them judging our personality by the games we play. Them = people who hate HDN and are against anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuka Langley Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 Well right anyone should have seen me post coming, Tbh my English is crappy so apologies if I misunderstood half of your post after reading it and watching the full video. I guess when I look at lolis I have a limit, I am fine with that anime about the girl falling in love with a teacher? Why the fuck would I be? because there was no hentai, sure there was some comedy ecchi stuff but overall no they didn't fu*k when she was underage. If I see loli hentai, that isn't okay with my since my mind still tells me that they are children, the only thing I find cute about them is them being petite... but as mentioned I do not see the age and when I know the girl is 8 years old I sprint away at x5 speed. If I know the girl is legal and dresses in a lolita style, that's fine with me. This part of Japanese anime has been going for ages and imo many don't see that no one is trying to ''fuck a 8 year old'' it is more about the dresses, innocence and body type. It has been annoying me lately about the things people have to the anime community, I don't feel that me liking HDN or using anime... is somewhat bad. I met many anime fans on here, HDN fans too... and if you get to know them, they're good people. They don't run after Vert's butt or talk about fucking Plutia, people have their limits and I believe what people have problems with is understanding that anime fans who like ecchi have their limits. Going back to my point I am fine with that anime, I am fine with the first Bakamonagatari scenes, but when it came to the other seasons that did as well bother me. I find it sad that we even have such a thing as ''offending anime fans'' come on, really... can't we all get along. Not every anime game is a Harem, not every anime game is loli love, not every anime game is nonsence love. I will take Persona as a example, Is that about lolis, ecchi and hentai? Nowhere. I personally decided to not take offense, aka. People can fu*k themselves if they do not like me being a anime fan, I am open to opinion. I am open to accepting everyone's tastes, I don't offend people who don't like anime... so I ask people to not offend me. I have lived being called a ''freak'' in real life since I was little in two countries in both places I studied at. People wouldn't want to sit next to me, they would stare at me like a alien... why? this is gonna be funny... ''anime'' it sounds crazy doesn't it... I wasn't even watching hentai or ecchi... hmm well I guess things like Vampire Knight... idk is that a bit ecchi? but apart from that seriously, I have been outcasted from my Art class (higher level art a.k.a. art I chose. because my art style isn't ''western'' enough) I don't draw generic anime girls or boys I just draw bigger eyes, a bit more unrealistic hands but I don't do bad to the world. But since forever in real I have been taken as a freak liking anime~ So I learnt to sorry but not get offended. I said calmly I feel kind of sorry for you in the terms of being outcast, and from what I can understand feeling half dead on a tuesday morning, you've interpreted the video well enough - even though it was meant to be there for some additional humorous context The West is still struggling with accepting a foreign culture. Throughout history there have always been notions that what is foreign is degenerate and should not be liked. Even if it's on a much smaller scale, any hatred toward anime, erotic or not, it's just our Western-ness kicking in and I don't care to make a big deal over it. I'll just keep living the otaku life, full on dakimakura-hugging, ramen-eating, take-mai-laifu-before-you-touch-my-waifu weeaboo, and I'll just let haters hate. There are lots of things that normal Westerners like that I absolutely despise, but I'm not going to publicly attack such things. Personally that desciption and how people can openly joke about it - setting a stereotype - is why I never really share my like for anime with many people as I fear I'll get set into that category when I'm not on that level of worship... Yes I'm peer persuaded pretty easily ; w ; I have a quick question, a little quicky. Why does it matter to you what games I play? Just curious. It doesn't matter to me specifically, but somebody may have something against a specific series that you play and if you have that entire series on your list then they might try and use that to cause a problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I said calmly I feel kind of sorry for you in the terms of being outcast, and from what I can understand feeling half dead on a tuesday morning, you've interpreted the video well enough - even though it was meant to be there for some additional humorous context Personally that desciption and how people can openly joke about it - setting a stereotype - is why I never really share my like for anime with many people as I fear I'll get set into that category when I'm not on that level of worship... Yes I'm peer persuaded pretty easily ; w ; It doesn't matter to me specifically, but somebody may have something against a specific series that you play and if you have that entire series on your list then they might try and use that to cause a problem I actually meant that camly... I will not get angry if no one starts offending me. I am a very careless which most people know, I just have enough of this uneeded enaquality that goes around for tbh no reason. I mean look what we are arguing about (not in this thread but the fight between anime fans and also non anime fans) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime Really...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post damon8r351 Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Thread makes me go: As in, "Lilly, I don't think...nah, I'm sure it'll turn out okay". I'll just throw this out for that Baka Hentai thread. What was funny about the "anime gril" sequence there was the fact somebody clearly got offended people were having a little fun at their expense in a thread (and let's be frank here) about games that let you, amongst other things, vigorously rub pictures of underaged girls in comprising positions. If you don't see the absurdity in that like I do, you're not the type of person I want in my wheelhouse. Edited November 24, 2015 by damon8r351 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuka Langley Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 I actually meant that camly... I will not get angry if no one starts offending me. I am a very careless which most people know, I just have enough of this uneeded enaquality that goes around for tbh no reason. I mean look what we are arguing about (not in this thread but the fight between anime fans and also non anime fans) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime Really...? Well to be honest, I expected someone to go full Shinji and trigger the Third Impact with this one, however it's been a pretty chill convorsation so far between all parties. I think in a few years there'll be less arguing, however for now people are going to slowly be drawn into the genre... especially with how Netflix are chucking out new series lately Thread makes me go: As in, "Lilly, I don't think...nah, I'm sure it'll turn out okay". My life story 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Red-River13 Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 Didn't read, but I just wanted to say I enjoy hentai a lot. Later. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Well to be honest, I expected someone to go full Shinji and trigger the Third Impact with this one, however it's been a pretty chill convorsation so far between all parties. I think in a few years there'll be less arguing, however for now people are going to slowly be drawn into the genre... especially with how Netflix are chucking out new series lately My life story Yeah Netflix has been pulling out more animes now, I don't think it's wrong. I think it's just pointless people offend people who like... Japanese animation.... my opinion: everyone to their own likes and deslikes whatever they are, as long as you aren't doing anything illegal than do what you want (to anime fans). We are all gamers here so let's make that enough to get along~ Peace (the gif is a joke) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuka Langley Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 Didn't read, but I just wanted to say I enjoy hentai a lot. Later. A prime example of fools who TLDR after being told to keep their TLDR comments to themselves "Alas, I am done with this" Yeah Netflix has been pulling out more animes now, I don't think it's wrong. I think it's just pointless people offend people who like... Japanese animation.... my opinion: everyone to their own likes and deslikes whatever they are, as long as you aren't doing anything illegal than do what you want (to anime fans). We are all gamers here so let's make that enough to get along~ Peace (the gif is a joke) Nice gif I agree with the illegal part to the extend of downloading free music becase who hasn't downloaded a couple million songs off the internet for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) A prime example of fools who TLDR after being told to keep their TLDR comments to themselves "Alas, I am done with this" Nice gif I agree with the illegal part to the extend of downloading free music becase who hasn't downloaded a couple million songs off the internet for free? Ahh I mean more like child porn (making it, etc.) download movies, mp3s is meh... everyone does it LOL Thanks, there are so many amazing creative gifs with raccoons on the internet... I should make a helpful gallery for threads. Edited November 24, 2015 by Raccoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I love HDN so you're probably seeking answers from people who hate HDN, But I believe if I might be right it is the ecchi scenes and some characters looking underage and being underage. We are seen as perverts and pedos, so that decides what person we are to them resulting in them judging our personality by the games we play. Them = people who hate HDN and are against anime. I don't play HDN the prevery moments, I play it for the funny moments. I know that everyone has a opinion, but... whatever it doesn't matter. The HDN community is some of the nicest people that I have meant on PsnP. We don't talk about perverted stuff. The most we talk about is subbing or dubbing, and most of the rest of the time we are helping people, but guess people don't see that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty1027 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Thanks, there are so many amazing creative gifs with raccoons on the internet... I should make a helpful gallery for threads. Contribution!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Contribution!!! Thank you that will help me a lot in my life. I don't play HDN the prevery moments, I play it for the funny moments. I know that everyone has a opinion, but... whatever it doesn't matter. The HDN community is some of the nicest people that I have meant on PsnP. We don't talk about perverted stuff. The most we talk about is subbing or dubbing, and most of the rest of the time we are helping people, but guess people don't see that. Same I found HDN fun and cool, the story is also interesting. Haven't played it much yet but looking at gameplays etc. I kinda fell in love with it from there + watched a bit of the animation. I don't really hear HDN people create fanfiction it's kind of a forum stereotype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotAFoxAnymore Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I agree. I don't really have anything to add and I don't feel like writing out some long message, so I'll just say I agree. It's 3am, I'm going to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I agree. I don't really have anything to add and I don't feel like writing out some long message, so I'll just say I agree. It's 3am, I'm going to bed Weren't you sleeping for the past 3 hours Mr. FellAsleepInAConversation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skateak Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I didn't even realize there was an issue. The site has always seemed Anime and HDN domanant to me personally, over the everyday user. I haven't witnessed any attack on a anime user but once again that is personally. The only anime I really care for is DBZ and that is probably because I grew up with it. I don't know any of the animes that people have in their conversations, signatures or avatars, nor have I played a HDN game. I don't really see an issue with it as long as any characters portrayed sexually are of age. At the same time though that is a personal moral. I have the platinum for Lollipop Chainsaw (closest thing to anime I have watched/played in the last couple years) and had a lot of fun with the game. It was pretty quirky and had me laughing pretty hard sometimes. It really is just another form of entertainment and that goes along with the hentai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Mayus Posted November 24, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2015 I don't play HDN the prevery moments, I play it for the funny moments. I know that everyone has a opinion, but... whatever it doesn't matter. The HDN community is some of the nicest people that I have meant on PsnP. We don't talk about perverted stuff. The most we talk about is subbing or dubbing, and most of the rest of the time we are helping people, but guess people don't see that. I do like that you mention you don't play it for the pervy parts but your signature has an animated gif of 2 blonde teenagers talking as their boobs bounce, a big titted blonde who looks like she is sucking a dildo stuck between her breasts and finally an underage girl resting her head in the blondes big tits...I don't know...seems a little suspect 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) I do like that you mention you don't play it for the pervy parts but your signature has an animated gif of 2 blonde teenagers talking as their boobs bounce, a big titted blonde who looks like she is sucking a dildo stuck between her breasts and finally an underage girl resting her head in the blondes big tits...I don't know...seems a little suspect Heh I made that one for him so its not his fault plus those moments in the game are mostly comedy moments and are funny they in no way are serious. Edited November 24, 2015 by Raccoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I do like that you mention you don't play it for the pervy parts but your signature has an animated gif of 2 blonde teenagers talking as their boobs bounce, a big titted blonde who looks like she is sucking a dildo stuck between her breasts and finally an underage girl resting her head in the blondes big tits...I don't know...seems a little suspect I just found a gif of Vert being Vert so weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raccoon_0 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I just found a gif of Vert being Vert so weird.also vert is a adult from the animation that's what I seen anyway all of them are actually adults Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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