The WWE Discussion Thread

[skidmarkgn]

7 hours ago, itachi-destroyer said:

 

Is he supposed to be a role model though ? The guy was suspended so he wasn't even supposed to be here to begin with. Disrespecting your boss decision certainly doesn't look like what a role model would do to me  

I don't think they are trying to build him as a babyface like Cena anymore. Reigns is barely able to cut a good promo and get a good pop without swearing or stating the obvious about lazy part timers so I hope WWE realized this by now. If they are not able to make him be cheered like a babyface at the end of Wrestlemania 34 against a guy as despicable as Lesnar for most people, he will never be able to be the babyface they are looking for. 

 

With the way they've been booking Brock lately, Reigns is absolutely supposed to be the babyface in this match.  It's also no secret that his entire fanbase is basically women and children.  Add on to that every time he speaks (at least out of the ring) he's always talking about being a dad and blah, blah, blah.  I just think it was irresponsible to have the guy who's being pushed as the face of your company assaulting cops... especially when technically he was in the wrong.  Sends a bad message.

[KenjiCBZ]

I've always hated the Wyatt-Hardy rivalry, maybe because I don't like their characters, but The Final Deletion has been unexpectably good.

 

It's not over...

No, IT'S OVER!

The great war, is... OVAAAH! BRAY WYATT HAS BEEN DELETED!

 

And now, I wonder what will happen with Bray, he's been buried with this loss (But, as we know, this is not the first time and probably won't be the last :'D)

[itachi-destroyer]

22 minutes ago, skidmarkgn said:

 

With the way they've been booking Brock lately, Reigns is absolutely supposed to be the babyface in this match.  It's also no secret that his entire fanbase is basically women and children.  Add on to that every time he speaks (at least out of the ring) he's always talking about being a dad and blah, blah, blah.  I just think it was irresponsible to have the guy who's being pushed as the face of your company assaulting cops... especially when technically he was in the wrong.  Sends a bad message.

 

I agree of course it's irresponsible but I wonder if that's not the point. They know he isn't going to be a Hogan / Cena type of Babyface so I assume they are finally understanding that he shouldn't be and will not be the guy that is a loveable babyface; and lately, he kind of reminds me of a watered down version of Stone Cold, so maybe they are trying to make him the "cool" kind of babyface rather than the cheesy one that is always smiling for the kids of the audience. For the past few weeks he has constantly been a jerk who doesn't care about what the boss has to say, he swear (reminiscent of SCSA middle finger) everytime he has a microphone and WWE is portraying him as a cool guy that just doesn't care (even though he just looks like an idiot in my opinion, but maybe that's because he isn't really believable on the mic and him saying that Brock his "Vince's Boy" is a huge joke coming from him).

Edited March 20, 2018 by itachi-destroyer

[PSNPIsToxic]

26 minutes ago, skidmarkgn said:

 

With the way they've been booking Brock lately, Reigns is absolutely supposed to be the babyface in this match.  It's also no secret that his entire fanbase is basically women and children.  Add on to that every time he speaks (at least out of the ring) he's always talking about being a dad and blah, blah, blah.  I just think it was irresponsible to have the guy who's being pushed as the face of your company assaulting cops... especially when technically he was in the wrong.  Sends a bad message.

 

That is precisely why it was necessary for dear ol' Brock to put such an extended beating on Roman whilst he was handcuffed to address any such moral balance (at least in the minds of the aforementioned demographic you already made reference to!) What the majority will remember whom are emotionally invested in said narrative is Roman being loaded into the back of the ambulance and (the particularly grating) Michael Cole stating he will be "kept in a medical facility overnight".

 

As for assaulting law enforcement? The wrestling industry is much the same as any other (music, cinema, fashion etc.) It is all a re-hashing of what has been before. 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin rose to such prominence precisely because he was the anti-authority 'tweener' and was portrayed as having the 'no f***'s given' attitude. It almost became comical the amount of times he assaulted virtually ANY 'outside' protagonist from police, bar patrons to Santa Claus! It is imperative to do anything possible to have Roman Reigns at least ACCEPTED by the remaining large portion of fans (including me and you it would seem) whom do not rate anything he says/does! If that means having him fight the proverbial 'system' for the umpteenth time? So be it.

Edited March 20, 2018 by TheFoundling

[Maxximum]

I'm happy for Daniel Bryan. He quite achieved almost everything already, like Grand Slam. I wanted to see him go after The Authority (that was one my favorite feuds including with the one of Randy Orton). Maybe a little Team Hell No reunion becuase Kane also returned, but that won't happen. They probably only brought Kane back to prepare a proper return of The Undertaker during his match against John Cena next week. 

 

I just wish Carmella would successfully cash in at WrestleMania and become SmackDown Women's Champion because Asuka's streak is getting on my nerves and I'm starting to hate her for it. If Carmella becomes champion at some point I'd like to see her feud with Liv Morgan. Sometimes I just think WWE is blind.

 

I still feel really bad for Roman Reigns and that whole segment with Brock Lesnar on RAW. It's already obvious that he will never be the babyface WWE wants. Those chants were very savage. If only he didn't appear. They should do it more the same way they did it back in 2016 when Triple H busted him open and didn't come the following week. Returned the other week to get his revenge, etc that is a great build up. What happened to those huge brawls where the entire roster comes and stop the fight? Now they make him assault the cops. I hope Roman doesn't come next week to see what happens. 

 

 

[Jesaya815]

Man, this is so exciting! Finally Daniel Bryan is medically cleared to wrestle again. His promo to start off Smackdown was really emotional and the segment to close the show was at least as good as last week's. What a great speech he gave while Owens & Zayn listened, before they attacked him. That's how you gain heat!

 

Another feel good moment will happen at WrestleMania and I can't wait. Think about all the matches Daniel can have now - with Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, Finn Balor, and last but not least The Miz.

[GoodbyeBread]

On 3/21/2018 at 2:30 PM, Jesaya815 said:

Man, this is so exciting! Finally Daniel Bryan is medically cleared to wrestle again. His promo to start off Smackdown was really emotional and the segment to close the show was at least as good as last week's. What a great speech he gave while Owens & Zayn listened, before they attacked him. That's how you gain heat!

 

Another feel good moment will happen at WrestleMania and I can't wait. Think about all the matches Daniel can have now - with Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, Finn Balor, and last but not least The Miz.

 

Danial Bryan and Shinsuke nakamura would be awesome. I always wondered what it would be like, since they both like using strong kicks.  

[crft555]

In my opinion the best feuds are the ones where you have no idea what is actually going to happen. When everyone knows or expects a certain outcome weeks prior to a match happening its almost like your just trying to predict the small gimmicks they are going to put in between.

 

The Woken story line while annoying to me was more because I just hated the characters and the way they were portrayed, the premise was solid and I don't really know which way they were going to take it which kept me interested. The whole Reigns vs Lesner thing has just been about how will they get to the Wrestlemania match and that turns me off that story line more than anything else.

 

Love that Bryan is back, I feel they are building towards a Bryan & Shane vs Sami & KO match which would be awesome. Really wish they would push Sami more, love his move set.

Edited March 22, 2018 by crft555

[Jesaya815]

15 hours ago, GoodbyeBread said:

 

Danial Bryan and Shinsuke nakamura would be awesome. I always wondered what it would be like, since they both like using strong kicks.  

It could be a WrestleMania or SummerSlam main event, that's for sure . Daniel always wanted to face Shinsuke, and Shinsuke wanted to wrestle Daniel. But by the time Nakamura arrived, Bryan was already forced to retire. So it's bound to happen sooner or later.

 

[KenjiCBZ]

I'm don't know about you, but I'm a bit scared he may injury again like he did when he returned in 2015...

Of course I'm happy he returns, he used to be my favourite Wrestler, back in 2012

[GoodbyeBread]

17 minutes ago, KenjiCBZ said:

I'm don't know about you, but I'm a bit scared he may injury again like he did when he returned in 2015...

Of course I'm happy he returns, he used to be my favourite Wrestler, back in 2012

 

Understandable

Even though it was one night that he returned in the ring, I'm very certain we will see some changes to his move set once he is booked in more matches. Can't say I know what exactly happen, but I imagine it also took a lot of coaxing and compromising to get back in. WWE don't want him to have any more concussion issues (lest we forget one wrestler who did have a lot of concussions and ended up committing a murder suicide to his family ).

 

So in short, I'm share the same sentiments as you, but I'm sure both him and WWE will take extra precautions to be careful not to place him back on the shelf too quickly. 

[PSNPIsToxic]

59 minutes ago, GoodbyeBread said:

 

Understandable

Even though it was one night that he returned in the ring, I'm very certain we will see some changes to his move set once he is booked in more matches. Can't say I know what exactly happen, but I imagine it also took a lot of coaxing and compromising to get back in. WWE don't want him to have any more concussion issues (lest we forget one wrestler who did have a lot of concussions and ended up committing a murder suicide to his family ).

 

So in short, I'm share the same sentiments as you, but I'm sure both him and WWE will take extra precautions to be careful not to place him back on the shelf too quickly. 

 

 

(In regards to the "extra precautions" and a slightly more 'relaxed' IN RING schedule for the next calendar year etc. Select dates/opponents are a must!)

 

One has to admire Bryan/Daniel's thirst for competition. He traveled far and wide to seek out independent specialist after neurologist after virtually ANYONE qualified in the medical profession to clear him (once the WWE doctors told him it was 'game over'.) The first few specialists who tested him separately ALSO came to the same conclusion that it was too much of a risk for him to even dream of a return but on he went to find those with a different opinion. Also notable that when he received his first two 'clearance' referrals that WWE still said 'no' and he responded by going public straight away that he would return to the independent circuit if the WWE didn't clear him to compete.

 

I cannot decide whether or not his passion to wrestle full time should be considered admirable or asinine (especially after seeing how CLEARLY limited the always freakishly athletic Kurt Angle was/IS recently when trying to work repeatedly in a short time span.) Returning after rehabbing arms, legs, shoulders, neck etc....is one risk....yet the brain is quite another? I agree the potential matches brought up in the thread are undoubtedly intriguing and i/we can but hope the time outside competing on a regular basis has given his brain adequate time to heal (at least somewhat.) Fingers crossed this is a Shawn Michaels equivalent.....not Randy 'The Ram' Robinson hehe! ?

[skidmarkgn]

Must have been a few more like-minded people out there with me, because now they were MMA fighters in disguise... not cops.  Issue solved.

[DarknessKey92]

Looks like Bryan might not be the only 1 coming back

https://twitter.com/ElGenerico/status/978412578140385281

Edited March 27, 2018 by DarknessKey92

[MySenkai]

While I don't like him at all, I am glad Bryan gets to do what he loves to do.

 

As for Wrestlemania, am I the only one who thinks overstuffed. It's looking to be 14 matches and clock in at over 5 hrs. Let me break it down:

1) Cruiserweight title match: I'm comfortable saying we all forgot this was a thing. I'm for Cedric.

2) mens battle royal & 3) womens battle royal. They were & should be the new King of The Ring (set up future champs), but they are just forgettable. Rusev (push him already) and Ruby Riott (my heart wants Bailey and Becky though)

4) Kev & Sami vs Shane and-or Bryan. Kev & Sami please. While I like Shane, I don't need another stunt show & (as mentioned) don't like bryan at-all-ever.

5) Angle-Rousey vs HHH-Step. Rousey-Angle, but I don't care much or expect much.

6) SD tag title match. Doesn't matter... Will almost steal show... Happy no matter what. Uso day bros.

7) Raw tt match. Depends on the mystery partner (Rusev? please?). Not Rusev? Dont care (its gonna be Elias, isnt it?)

8) us title. Just rko everyone quick and win the match fast. Skippable.

9) ic title. Balor (push him). But i don't want anyone but the Miz (cuz awesomeness) or Cena (his long overdue grandslam before he retires) for the rest of 2018.

10) Raw women's title. Alexa please. Nia as champ will be boring. WWE humanized her too much. Should've left her a monster. She was more fun when she chucks chicks through barricades and laughs at crushing them like cans. 

11) SD women's title. Aska because I love her, but that streak has to go. Overly long win streaks are extremely boring.

12) WWE title. Doesn't matter. Basically is the show. They can announce trump the winner somehow and i'll still be happy (but confused).

13) Universal title. Sigh...it is almost over. Just...just...whatever. Give it to Roman. No one cares. This will choke the show out.

14) taker-cena. Could save the show if main event if done right. Thankfully, Cena's mic skills have put some fire to this. Taker arrives as classic taker, wins an over the top match, formally retires & drive off on bike into the night to fan love. Anything else will suck (Cena can not win).

 

[itachi-destroyer]

51 minutes ago, MySenkai said:

While I don't like him at all, I am glad Bryan gets to do what he loves to do.

 

As for Wrestlemania, am I the only one who thinks overstuffed. It's looking to be 14 matches and clock in at over 5 hrs. Let me break it down:

1) Cruiserweight title match: I'm comfortable saying we all forgot this was a thing. I'm for Cedric.

2) mens battle royal & 3) womens battle royal. They were & should be the new King of The Ring (set up future champs), but they are just forgettable. Rusev (push him already) and Ruby Riott (my heart wants Bailey and Becky though)

4) Kev & Sami vs Shane and-or Bryan. Kev & Sami please. While I like Shane, I don't need another stunt show & (as mentioned) don't like bryan at-all-ever.

5) Angle-Rousey vs HHH-Step. Rousey-Angle, but I don't care much or expect much.

6) SD tag title match. Doesn't matter... Will almost steal show... Happy no matter what. Uso day bros.

7) Raw tt match. Depends on the mystery partner (Rusev? please?). Not Rusev? Dont care (its gonna be Elias, isnt it?)

8) us title. Just rko everyone quick and win the match fast. Skippable.

9) ic title. Balor (push him). But i don't want anyone but the Miz (cuz awesomeness) or Cena (his long overdue grandslam before he retires) for the rest of 2018.

10) Raw women's title. Alexa please. Nia as champ will be boring. WWE humanized her too much. Should've left her a monster. She was more fun when she chucks chicks through barricades and laughs at crushing them like cans. 

11) SD women's title. Aska because I love her, but that streak has to go. Overly long win streaks are extremely boring.

12) WWE title. Doesn't matter. Basically is the show. They can announce trump the winner somehow and i'll still be happy (but confused).

13) Universal title. Sigh...it is almost over. Just...just...whatever. Give it to Roman. No one cares. This will choke the show out.

14) taker-cena. Could save the show if main event if done right. Thankfully, Cena's mic skills have put some fire to this. Taker arrives as classic taker, wins an over the top match, formally retires & drive off on bike into the night to fan love. Anything else will suck (Cena can not win).

 

 

And I thought I was complaining a lot about WWE recently but you, you are something else  Do you enjoy anything about WWE these days ? (Serious question) And the show is going to be over 6 hours if we include the preshow, so that should be enough if they put the two battle royal during the preshow.

 

I'll give my predictions for WM next week after RAW and SD but I'll just say that I don't think that Elias is going to be Braun's partner. I think it is going to be the Big Show. As for Elias, give him a good segment at Wrestlemania and make him be interrupted by The Rock and let them have a little musical competition  

Edited March 27, 2018 by itachi-destroyer

[GoldenShaka]

After K.O., Elias is the best heel the company has.

I hope they give him a cool segment on Wrestlemania

[Maxximum]

32 minutes ago, GoldenShaka said:

After K.O., Elias is the best heel the company has.

I hope they give him a cool segment on Wrestlemania

 

Yes, Elias. He really needs a cool segment. 

 

Though, I always look at Randy Orton (2009 version), Edge and The Miz (also Elias) as one of the best heels ever.

[MySenkai]

30 minutes ago, ee28max said:

 

Yes, Elias. He really needs a cool segment. 

 

Though, I always look at Randy Orton (2009 version), Edge and The Miz (also Elias) as one of the best heels ever.

 

If the Miz loses, they should let Elias take over the miztourage again and make an ic heel run (while Miz takes some time off with his family).

 

1 hour ago, itachi-destroyer said:

 

And I thought I was complaining a lot about WWE recently but you, you are something else  Do you enjoy anything about WWE these days ? (Serious question) And the show is going to be over 6 hours if we include the preshow, so that should be enough if they put the two battle royal during the preshow.

 

I'll give my predictions for WM next week after RAW and SD but I'll just say that I don't think that Elias is going to be Braun's partner. I think it is going to be the Big Show. As for Elias, give him a good segment at Wrestlemania and make him be interrupted by The Rock and let them have a little musical competition  

 

I'm just whiny right now with the pre-mania blahs. I love almost everything going on with SD, but Raw... not so much.

 

Everything SD related in Mania will be excellent ( it's almost impossible to mess up Styles vs Shinsuke, SD tag title match will be a show stealer, charlotte vs Asuka will be good). And want Randy to rain RKOs. The IC match has too much talent to fail.

 

But they never do anything notable with the battle royal winner, not pushing Rusev is criminal, the womens divisions are horribly unfocused now (remember how focused they were when Nia was protecting Bliss and Absolution was jumping everybody), Cruiserweights more of mess now without Neville & the real life stuff, and Roman Reigns is forced so far down my throat that I might be pregnant now. 

 

While it'd be fun if Braun grabs a random cameraman, or technician or Michael Cole as a partner in name only, WWE likes the 'they hate each other, make them partners thing' which makes me think Elias.

 

As for the rest, Rousey could be awful (like Snookie bad) and even if she is great, Stephanie's a workable heal but a terrible wrestler (and I say that as a Authority fan). 

And then theres KO and Sami who will be handicapped by fighting a semi-pro (Shane - again i'm a fan) and a good wrestler they have to be careful with (you really think Sami will Helluva kick or KO will PUPbomb Daniel with any force at all?). Bryan's first match back should have been a lesser PPV until they get a sense of how hard he can go then build it to next Mania.

1 hour ago, ee28max said:

 

Yes, Elias. He really needs a cool segment. 

 

Though, I always look at Randy Orton (2009 version), Edge and The Miz (also Elias) as one of the best heels ever.

Legend killer-legacy Orton is the best heel ever (IMHO). That creepy steph kiss was the best.

[Maxximum]

38 minutes ago, MySenkai said:

Legend killer-legacy Orton is the best heel ever (IMHO). That creepy steph kiss was the best.

 

You bet. I enjoyed that feud with The McMahon family. Kicking Vince's head like a soccer ball and that RKO to Stephanie. Also when Triple H invaded Randy's home and threw him out of his own window. I also saw how Randy said he would win the 2009 Royal Rumble and he actually did. 

 

This WWE SmackDown vs. RAW 2010 game predicted the future when The Legacy had a Triple Threat Match at WrestleMania. Released in 2009, and the real match happened a few months later at WrestleMania 26 in 2010 in real life. Freaking insane, I know. I have a lot more points on how WWE games predicted the future if you wanna know. 

[skidmarkgn]

6 hours ago, MySenkai said:

While I don't like him at all, I am glad Bryan gets to do what he loves to do.

 

 

I promise this isn't a criticism, I understand that if you don't like the guy you don't like him (I personally HATE both The Rock and Stone Cold, always have) but, if you don't mind, I'd really like to hear why.

 

I also want to point out that you said you have no faith in the tag match because you don't think Sami will be able to kick, or KO won't be able to powerbomb Daniel but both of those things already happened last week on Smackdown.  I'm sure we've seen the last of the diving headbutt but there's no way DB is going to go in and half-ass anything, he's just not that guy.

 

 

Edited March 28, 2018 by skidmarkgn

[GoodbyeBread]

so....thoughts on SD?

I thought the ending was a nice touch.

[Maxximum]

6 hours ago, skidmarkgn said:

 

I promise this isn't a criticism, I understand that if you don't like the guy you don't like him (I personally HATE both The Rock and Stone Cold, always have) but, if you don't mind, I'd really like to hear why.

 

I also want to point out that you said you have no faith in the tag match because you don't think Sami will be able to kick, or KO won't be able to powerbomb Daniel but both of those things already happened last week on Smackdown.  I'm sure we've seen the last of the diving headbutt but there's no way DB is going to go in and half-ass anything, he's just not that guy.

 

 

 

Even if he's just not that guy we all saw him in two matches at WrestleMania 30 with an injured shoulder. Beat Triple H and then dominated Batista and Randy Orton in the main event. I'm afraid Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan will take the win. I don't want Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens to remain fired. 

 

2 hours ago, GoodbyeBread said:

so....thoughts on SD?

I thought the ending was a nice touch.

 

It was great. Ending was good too. WrestleMania card changes again and now it's a Fatal 4-Way US Championship with Rusev as the newest challenger. I think a Triple Threat was alright, but 4 way is fine I guess.

 

The build up of AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura is getting a little boring, because The Artist is pretty much doing everything now. Does this have anything to do with AJ Styles's injury from the Live Event? 

[Jesaya815]

I liked the Smackdown ending as well. The story is based on mutual respect, but Shinsuke Nakamura also keeps playing mind games with AJ Styles.

 

Rusev is back in the US title picture and I wouldn't even be surprised if he wins the Championship to give him a push. Lord knows he deserves it.

 

And of course Daniel Bryan delivered another fantastic promo. The stipulation is interesting and makes the Tag Team Match a bit more unpredictable in my opinion. I don't think that Daniel & Shane will lose either, but you never know.

[MySenkai]

7 hours ago, Jesaya815 said:

I liked the Smackdown ending as well. The story is based on mutual respect, but Shinsuke Nakamura also keeps playing mind games with AJ Styles.

 

Rusev is back in the US title picture and I wouldn't even be surprised if he wins the Championship to give him a push. Lord knows he deserves it.

 

And of course Daniel Bryan delivered another fantastic promo. The stipulation is interesting and makes the Tag Team Match a bit more unpredictable in my opinion. I don't think that Daniel & Shane will lose either, but you never know.

Yep, Shinsuke-AJ just keep getting better (I thought Shinsuke couldnt top last week's promo and, of course, he topped it). Can't wait to see next week's.

 

Finally, Wrestlemania will be Rusevmania (I was scared he'd be wasted in that battle royale).  I'm am all in on the fatal four way.

 

As daniel-shane tag, doesn't. Shane have real health issues? I kinda see him being replaced with someone like dolph & Dolph betraying Daniel at mania (remember their backstage segment last week). That way KO and Sami are safe and Daniel can feud with them and Dolph.