TigressLion Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Please help, When I talk to Jack after the fight, it won't let me use Paragon to regain loyalty. I'm full! What the hell? The blue bar is FULL FULL. Edited November 29, 2015 by TigressLion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare6840 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 i don't know if is a glitch or not but happened the same with me. Ps:sorry for my bad english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matto_lsi Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Not a glitch, Jack can only be won over with Renegade. The guide I used stated that you must focus on Renegade from the start (or use the infinite Paragon/Renegade glitch early in the game) to have enough Renegade points to keep both of them loyal. Also, the Paragon/Renegade bars are a sliding scale in ME2, despite graphically appearing full, the 'max' fluctuates as you progress through the game. It's also been a while since I platinumed the game, but I kept everyone loyal and got all the trophies, so the guide must have been correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not_like_therest Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 You can keep her alive even if you lose loyalty. Just don't put her in charge of anything and don't take her with you to the final battle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigressLion Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Not a glitch, Jack can only be won over with Renegade. The guide I used stated that you must focus on Renegade from the start (or use the infinite Paragon/Renegade glitch early in the game) to have enough Renegade points to keep both of them loyal. Also, the Paragon/Renegade bars are a sliding scale in ME2, despite graphically appearing full, the 'max' fluctuates as you progress through the game. It's also been a while since I platinumed the game, but I kept everyone loyal and got all the trophies, so the guide must have been correct. Why is there a paragon option choice then? You can keep her alive even if you lose loyalty. Just don't put her in charge of anything and don't take her with you to the final battle. I'll do this then, thanks for the input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not_like_therest Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Why is there a paragon option choice then? I'll do this then, thanks for the input. Np Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matto_lsi Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Why is there a paragon option choice then? I just looked it up again to refresh m memory. As I mentioned your bars are misleading and major choices are based on points percentage, not totals, and not the graphical representation of your bar. If you need 100% of the possible Paragon points, you could have all but 1 and still not get the Paragon option, even though you'd have 99.9%. I couldn't find the exact numbers, but a lot of people claim it's impossible to get enough Paragon points legitimately to unlock that option for Jack, that's why I said you must go with Renegade. My assumption is that Paragon is at, or close to, 100% needed for Jack, whereas Renegade probably requires much less, perhaps 70-80% (pure speculation). It's much easier to focus on Renegade for a playthrough and reach that percentage than earning 100% of the possible Paragon points. Again, I couldn't find exacts, but I'm sure they exist out there if you want to track them down. While looking into this I realized that when I did my playthrough I diffused the situation and didn't need to regain anyone's loyalty afterward. It has been a while since I played, but now I want to replay the game, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuka Langley Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Y'know, if you had enough Paragon for during the fight, you wouldn't have made this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manumatik Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Always go renegade, no one will question your decisions No seriously, I think it is tied to wether you have done her loyalty mission and of course full points on Paragade /Renegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matto_lsi Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Always go renegade, no one will question your decisions No seriously, I think it is tied to wether you have done her loyalty mission and of course full points on Paragade /Renegon. The fight doesn't occur until after you do both Miranda and Jack's loyalty missions. It's tied directly to Paragon point percentage, as I wrote above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaedam_Animae Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The fight doesn't occur until after you do both Miranda and Jack's loyalty missions. It's tied directly to Paragon point percentage, as I wrote above. I went the neutral route when breaking up that fight by telling them both to stop arguing and focus on the mission and both stayed loyal. Sometimes, staying on the Paragon path isn't always a good idea and you have to think about the answers you choose before selecting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matto_lsi Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I went the neutral route when breaking up that fight by telling them both to stop arguing and focus on the mission and both stayed loyal. Sometimes, staying on the Paragon path isn't always a good idea and you have to think about the answers you choose before selecting them. Whether you go Renegade or Paragon you can break it up when it starts and not lose anyone's loyalty. I don't remember there being a non-moral option for this other than siding with one over the other. I remember a Paragon and Renegade dialogue option only, but it was a while ago, so I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaedam_Animae Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Whether you go Renegade or Paragon you can break it up when it starts and not lose anyone's loyalty. I don't remember there being a non-moral option for this other than siding with one over the other. I remember a Paragon and Renegade dialogue option only, but it was a while ago, so I could be wrong. I looked it up and yeah, you're right both the Paragon and Renegade choices were "neutral" and I picked the Paragon choice. I remember it being neutral and not either extreme but I guess that's me remembering it wrong too. Edited November 30, 2015 by Quaedam_Animae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaan60 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Not a glitch, Jack can only be won over with Renegade. The guide I used stated that you must focus on Renegade from the start (or use the infinite Paragon/Renegade glitch early in the game) to have enough Renegade points to keep both of them loyal. Also, the Paragon/Renegade bars are a sliding scale in ME2, despite graphically appearing full, the 'max' fluctuates as you progress through the game. It's also been a while since I platinumed the game, but I kept everyone loyal and got all the trophies, so the guide must have been correct. You're wrong. I was a full Paragon and I secured both Miranda's and Jack's loyalty. As you said the choices are based on a percentage of Renegade choices and Paragon ones. OP made too many Renegade choices which is why the option is locked out. OP here's a tip for ME1 & ME2. Choose to be either Paragon or Renegade and stick with it fully. Don't be neutral or flip flop between them. Otherwise you'll miss out on choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matto_lsi Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 You're wrong. I was a full Paragon and I secured both Miranda's and Jack's loyalty. As you said the choices are based on a percentage of Renegade choices and Paragon ones. OP made too many Renegade choices which is why the option is locked out. OP here's a tip for ME1 & ME2. Choose to be either Paragon or Renegade and stick with it fully. Don't be neutral or flip flop between them. Otherwise you'll miss out on choices. Read what I wrote after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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