PS2 Emulation news, A lot of games confirmed! (Dark Cloud, GTA)

[MarsipanRumpan]

PS2 Emulation is coming and recently there was apperently a leak or something from Sony I belive, maybe before Playstation Experience. A while back we had a Dark Cloud 2 leak and now it seems like Dark Cloud 1 is leaked too.

EDIT: So all of the sudden Sony goes out on Playstation Blog and announces a few games launching TOMMOROW on PS4.

Dark Cloud - 14.99$
Grand Theft Auto III -  14.99$
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - 14.99$
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 14.99$
Rogue Galaxy -  14.99$
The Mark of Kri - 14.99$
Twisted Metal: Black - 9.99$
War of Monsters - 9.99$

Parappa the Rappa 2 and King of Fighters 2000 will come soon, all support trophies and such.

 

Edit: Credits to Madbuk for fixing a photo that works
 

I can't post the screenshot of the video (PSNP doesn't let me..) for some reason but it is in the link down below.
The emulations upscales the game to 1080P, ads trophies and it has additional enhanced features including Shareplay. You can also Remote Play.
However, you can't use PS2 discs wich should be expected imo, so it seems its only downloaded. Also it states that PS2 classics is incompatible with the PS2 system.


Lastly, Level 5 has been holding out for their PS4 exclusive game for a while, now is Dark Cloud 1 - 2 coming to PS4 via PS2 emulation. Maybe Level 5 waited for PS2 emulation to announce their new game wich COULD be Dark Cloud 3?


Here is the full Eurogamer article: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-12-04-report-ps4s-ps2-emulation-wont-support-discs-or-ps3-digital-purchases

Edited December 4, 2015 by MarsipanRumpan

[PipeSwinger]

Awesome news! 

[madbuk]

 

Here's the screenshot if anyone is interested.

[AndyLish79]

The first game I thought of when news of PS2 emulation was mentioned was Dark Cloud (and its sequel). So yay! at this getting announced so early. 

[starcrunch061]

If legit, this is the most awesome news imaginable. Trophies for Dark Cloud 2, one of my favoritest games of all time?

[Bucknerd]

If legit, this is the most awesome news imaginable. Trophies for Dark Cloud 2, one of my favoritest games of all time?

 

Trophies for Dark Cloud?

 

Edited December 4, 2015 by Bucknerd

[TigressLion]

This is the greatest news since the birth of my son. This is worth buying a ps4 over. Unfortunately I don't have the $. This is such worthy news that I should lease my house for a ps4 just to get this.

[Super-Fly Spider-Guy]

Read this earlier today, it's a huge disappointment that PS2 discs won't be compatible, it's not surprising at all, but a huge disappointment none the less. PS2 classics that we've RE bought for PS3 not being compatible, however, is both a surprise, and a huge dick move by Sony. If certain games weren't PS4 compatible yet, fine, but if they resell yet another version of a game there is currently a PS3 PS2 classic version of, then they are absolute assholes.

 

AMAZINGLY, some stupid fanboys (yes, more than one) were going around on the threads where I read this asking people who said what I just did what PS2 classics they owned, and telling them they should "shut the fuck up and stop bitching" ... Firstly, no, if you land in that category you're a moron. Sure, we don't need to bitch, but not only do we have every right to, but if we don't bitch, they will never realize how big of an asshole they're making themselves look like.

 

Secondly, off the top of I my head

 

GTA 3

Vice City

San Andreas

Liberty City Stories

Vice City Stories

Max Payne

Just Cause

Revenge of the Sith

SSX On Tour

The Warriors

Bully

Midnight Club 1-3

Lego Star Wars 2

 

And several others I'm forgetting.

 

So yes, I did actually buy a fair few PS2 classics, despite me still having the physical copies up there, so no, I'm not bitching about something I wouldn't use. I would love to have all of those games (admittedly, SSX could stay away, I bought that because I never found a copy anywhere and was curious) be compatible with PS4 and since I owned literally all of them on disc other than SSX and you ALREADY got paid twice for the games, I don't think it's too much to ask that IF those games were on the list of games brought over to PS4, that I could play them without buying them, AGAIN.

 

Of course, this is still a rumour though, and hopefully, they will come out and not be absolute dickheads about it.

[StrickenBiged]

It's disappointing for players that still have PS2 discs lying around that putting in your disc won't let you download the PS4 emulated version for free, like M$ is doing with backward's compatibility.  

 

Still, from a "preservation of gaming history" perspective, this is a very good thing. And it does appear that someone at Sony or the original devs is making the effort to code in trophy support and up-scaled graphics and frame rates. 

 

It saddens me that the industry basically throws out each generations classics every 5 years or so. While the TVs and tech we run our games on get better and better, people who want to play classic games have to go to more and more elaborate steps and expense to keep their old games alive on current TVs and hardware. 

 

Still, to read the comments on that Eurogamer article already linked in the OP, you'd be forgiven for thinking that Shuhei himself had just cut off a kitten's head and vomited half digested lumps of fecal matter down it's exposed neck hole, the way some of them are reacting. 

Edited December 4, 2015 by StrickenBiged

[Maftet]

I've not played Dark Cloud 2, but Dark Cloud was one of my favourite games back in the day lol

This is very good news, now if only they'd do a physical release of a 'Dark Cloud HD Collection'.

 

It is quite sucky however that people who have already bought PS2 Classic versions won't be supported or even provided with a free 'upgrade' since they can prove that have already purchased the game and haven't just borrowed it or bought a preowned copy.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Maftet

[PREDRAG-K]

This would be amazing if true. Dark Cloud is one of the best games on PS2. I've wanted to replay it for a long time, trophy support would just be a cherry on top of the cake.

Now we wait for Rogue Galaxy with trophies.

[MarsipanRumpan]

 

Here's the screenshot if anyone is interested.

Thank you, I had a screenshot but I couldn't post it, I will ad it to the thread, will credit you!

[Caesar Clown]

The disc thing I can understand, since the PS2 used 2 different discs, one being a CD which the PS4 can't read at all. Maybe to avoid mass confusion, they're just locking out discs completely, or just one type?

 

The PS2 Classics are digital, so not including those is rather odd, but sadly, I expected it. Looking at PS Now, I'm pretty sure they're going to want us to pay for games we already own. I'm going to wait and see before passing final judgement.

[StrickenBiged]

The PS2 Classics are digital, so not including those is rather odd, but sadly, I expected it. Looking at PS Now, I'm pretty sure they're going to want us to pay for games we already own. I'm going to wait and see before passing final judgement.

 

It would probably have been harder to convert PS2 classics running on PS3 to PS4 owing to the PS3's cell processor, which was a complicated and unique arcitecture. 

 

Are you sure the PS4 can't run CDs? I'm sure I heard my wife playing music through it.

[Han_the_Dragon]

That would be awesome (now add and SMT universe PS2 games, Rogue Galaxy, Shadow Hearts trilogy, Star Oceans 3, Disgaea 1/2 and Suikoden 4/5 to that list, please..).

 

Still it's sad about the disc thing, since I still have my ps2 collection.. actually I was initially happy about the emulator because I still own the games and I only realised that it wouldn't play from discs after reading the posts here.. now I'm a bit sad , just hope that the prices are symbolic or something, but I doubt that they will be under €15.. 

 

This also means that the list of games will be somewhat limited, because only games that they re-release will be available digitally.

 

Actually all this just seams like a 2.0 version of the current PS2 HD remakes model, AKA even cheaper way to get more money from us..

[zatanna_52]

Awesome news. I never actually played the 1st Dark Cloud, but I loved the 2nd game so I will definitely get it.

[Zenpai]

Honestly, (Dark Cloud aside), this is terrible news. I was kind of expecting it, but still terrible news. Backwards compatibility is basically useless if they just put discs aside. I bought a game, I'm not going to buy it again. This isn't backwards compatibility, this is basically a cheap mass remaster of PS2 games for the PS4.

 

And to top it off, not even PS2 classics bought on the PS3 work? Talk about adding insult to injury.

[Beyondthegrave07]

Shut up and take my money Sony!!!

*Throws cash at screen*

[Xionx]

I know a lot of you are upset because of "no-disc" news .  but im sure they will not charge 60€ for the games .... i mean i think they will be around 15-20 € .  Dark cloud with trophies is 20€ worth in my opinion .

So for me, the Dark Cloud news is so amazing that i really dont care to buy the game again .  You can play DC and DC2 so many hours .... i saw some 60 € games with less content . (i know you are upset because you already paid for the games but ..... why not playing it on your old ps2? )

[Perfecto-Ninja]

Its obviously not BC (since the Discs are not supported), just another way to say "Remaster". 

 

Cant believe people are not seeing that

[Zenpai]

I know a lot of you are upset because of "no-disc" news .  but im sure they will not charge 60€ for the games .... i mean i think they will be around 15-20 € .  Dark cloud with trophies is 20€ worth in my opinion .

So for me, the Dark Cloud news is so amazing that i really dont care to buy the game again .  You can play DC and DC2 so many hours .... i saw some 60 € games with less content . (i know you are upset because you already paid for the games but ..... why not playing it on your old ps2? )

 

That's the whole thing.

 

A - As I said before, I already bought the games, I'm not going to buy them again, regardless of trophies or 60 fps. Even if they're on cheaper side, it's still cheaper to just hold onto the copy you already have since the game itself is virtually the same. Always remember: cheap ≠ free.

 

B - Why not play on my old PS2? Sure, I can do that. Problem is, if backwards compatibility was a standard, we wouldn't have to keep our old consoles around, taking up space around our TV (not to mention having to maintain and repair them in case something goes haywire). Instead, we would be able to play our entire collection on a single, more advanced machine, instead of having a lot of old equipment cluttering up our space.

Sounds like Sony wants us to either buy our games up to three times or turn our houses into gaming museums.

 

[Nihiris-]

First off, super excited for Dark Cloud since it's one of my favorite games of all time, playing it in 1080p and trophies is going to be awesome.

 

But at this whole controversy thing going on, clearly this isn't actual emulation, these are PS4 digital ports in 1080p and trophy support. oooaznkid is correct that these are basically remasters but under another name.

 

For Xbox One, 360 games are easy as they are already in HD and have achievement support, PS2 games have neither. But this is what happens when leaks and rumors start to run rampant and people begin to get expectations that were never happening to begin with.

 

But all that said, I'm sure we'll get more clarification from Sony during PSX tomorrow, just don't get your hopes up because in my opinion, playing PS2 discs on PS4 was nothing but a pipe dream that people just automatically assumed was happening.

 

TL;DR: Sony isn't going to let you play your already owned PS2 games for free when they can make money off of it another way. They are not going to show much desperate goodwill like MS because they are in a distant first place, and sadly that's what happens.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Death_Ninja

[GoldenShaka]

Sad but definitely expected, after the zillions that Sony has invested in cloud gaming it was very hard to believe that they were going to allow physical games. If this isn't another category in the ps now service then this is the end of ps2 classics for ps3.

[DistantFox]

I'm actually really excited for this. I never bought any ps2 classics, and I don't own games like Ape Escape, Dark Cloud, or Twisted Metal Black. Even if they added games that I already own, I would probably buy it again. My PS2 is at my dad's house, and I only go there every other weekend, and I normally don't touch my ps2 while I'm there. 

[FlareXV]

TL;DR: Sony isn't going to let you play your already owned PS2 games for free when they can make money off of it another way. They are not going to show much desperate goodwill like MS because they are in a distant first place, and sadly that's what happens.

 

Sony was going to do this regardless their position and they have a right too. BC isn't a desperate goodwill move as it was planned from the begin with Rare Replay.