Popular Post AlphaTrash Posted March 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) I'm sure we've all seen the absurd fastest times on ps4 games. Some by accident and some by deleting your trophy data for a false time. Examples. A glitched fastest time: http://psnprofiles.com/100-club/2823-inFAMOUS-First-Light The two users there got the fastest time by downloading infamous while at the same time auto popping sound shapes? The process somehow glitched out and auto popped Infamous. I may have a few details wrong but they're irrelevant. all that matters is, they didn't cheat for the fastest time; it was an accident. Deleting trophies for the fastest time: http://psnprofiles.com/100-club/2258-Injustice-Gods-Among-Us-Ultimate-Edition He's gotten an impossible time of 9 hours, by deleting unsynced trophies. For example it's possible to get level 100 as your first trophy and level 10 as your last by deleting unsynced trophy data. Level 100 should take you roughly 18 hours if you factor in boosting and that's being generous with the time. However if you get 1xp away from level 100, upload your save to the cloud and remove your account from the ps4 and thus deleting your unsynced trophy data, you can make the level 100 trophy your first trophy and delete 18 hours off of your fastest time. It's legit lying at the moment. You can lie about your fastest time and the lie is accepted as truth. You still have put in the work and the time! But you get to lie about the time after the fact. Personally I don't like misinformation being spread and I've seen a couple people believe that you can 100% injustice in 9 hours. That's not even close to possible. So, it's a "legit" method when it comes to the fastest time. Although it's not a legit time at all. So we've established it's legit and not cheating per se. It's just faking your time. So no ones getting banned for this and rightfully so. I'm not asking for anyone to be banned or labelled a cheater as it's only the fastest time and it's not massively important in the grand scheme of things. However, it would be great if you could at least hide the times? They can keep the game on their profile and it will still say "completed in 3 seconds" but their time won't appear on the fastest time leaderboard. Is that possible and could we vote on it as a community? If our community votes that the time should stand, I'll shut the fuck up about it and accept it. If we vote that the false times shouldn't stand, could you please remove the times from the leaderboard? I don't want anyone punished or labelled a cheater here, I just want clean leaderboards. You have a clean and a dirty leaderboard, perhaps we could have the same for the fastest times? I'm asking for a vote now because where injustice is concerned, I can destroy the fastest time by deleting trophy data and I can destroy the legit time of 6 days as well. So either way I'm going to be number 1. I'd just much prefer being number 1 with a legit time posted and not one I had to fake just to be at the top. If you're not interested in fastest times, this conversation and possible vote doesn't really concern you. Your opinions and votes are welcomed. However, I'm not here to discuss the legitimacy of false times. This thread is a call for a vote, that's all. Not the discussion of the legitimacy of subjectively false times. Maybe you disagree and if you do I hope you get a chance to stand by your disagreement in a vote. I know there's a few speedrunners on the forums and I'm sure we'd all appreciate a clean fastest achiever leaderboard. Would it be possible to set up a vote that would actually have a meaningful impact of the fastest achievers leaderboard? It's your house Sly, so it's your rules. I'd just appreciate the chance for our community to vote on it and to finally put this discussion to bed. Edited March 28, 2016 by AlphaTrash 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) I hope you're not hating on Just_Amazing cause he's simply Just Amazing! Edited March 28, 2016 by FlareXV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaowsintzu Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Ha! that's funny. I hope you're not hating on Just_Amazing cause he's simply Just Amazing! So where do we Vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlareXV Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I agree with AlphaTrash on this, I think we should be able on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaTrash Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 Ha! that's funny. So where do we Vote? I'd really like sly to set up an official vote with the intent of it actually making an impact on the future of the fastest times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaowsintzu Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Sly? Sylvester Stallone, Well then looks like you got enough High Profiled Connections to make it happen. Edited March 28, 2016 by Shaowsintzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madbuk Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I agree with OP. People shouldn't be flagged as cheaters over this - since it's perfectly legit and they did everything themselves - but the time isn't accurate so it shouldn't be shown on the 100% club leaderboard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Sly? Sylvester Stallone, Well then looks like you got enough High Profiled Connections to make it happen. Or this Sly: http://psnprofiles.com/forums/user/1-sly-ripper/ How has voting worked out for the PS4 Plus games? Don't be mad if the vote for this turns out the same way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav9834 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) That's asking for a lot more programming that's not high on the list, and someone Sly trusts to find and notify. Or something that auto finds based on criteria, but that could lead to false positves. I like the idea of hiding the time, but I don't know if it could be setup easily for the mods to be able to use without a lot of programming. I simply don't think it's a high enough priority for the site to put so much money and time into. Good thoughts though! I personally would like slowest achievers! But I don't think that's going to happen. Something to think about Edit: I should also mention this isn't an open source site made by all of us. This is a business, and as all such businesses, require money and time from a small group of individual/s (aka Sly) to produce what you're entailing. So no vote will effect anything, just bringing it up to attention is enough. Your ideas aren't bad at all. Edited March 28, 2016 by Dav9834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaTrash Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Or this Sly: http://psnprofiles.com/forums/user/1-sly-ripper/ How has voting worked out for the PS4 Plus games? Don't be mad if the vote for this turns out the same way. Voting has worked out pretty well so far. I didn't care for the games in the first vote and the second vote went in my favor. Regardless, I'll accept whatever the community as a whole decides upon. Whether that's in my favor or not. That's asking for a lot more programming that's not high on the list, and someone Sly trusts to find and notify. Or something that auto finds based on criteria, but that could lead to false positves. I like the idea of hiding the time, but I don't know if it could be setup easily for the mods to be able to use without a lot of programming. I simply don't think it's a high enough priority for the site to put so much money and time into. Good thoughts though! I personally would like slowest achievers! But I don't think that's going to happen. Something to think about If that's the case and it is just a shit load of man hours for something that isn't high on the list of priorities as far as site improvement goes, than I get it. If it's a somewhat easily employable thing and the community votes for it to be a thing, than it would be cool to see it happen. That would be pretty funny. I'd love to see all the hackers on it who got their first trophy in 1997. Edited March 28, 2016 by AlphaTrash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav9834 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 If that's the case and it is just a shit load of man hours for something that isn't high on the list of priorities as far as site improvement goes, than I get it. If it's a somewhat easily employable thing and the community votes for it to be a thing, than it would be cool to see it happen. That would be pretty funny. I'd love to see all the hackers on it who got their first trophy in 1997. Ya unfortunately even making a small script can take a while depending That's why there's so many feature requests that can't be done do to time allotted. I think he has his hands full with the servers atm anyway, though I don't claim to be in the know about why the site has slowed :/ It would be nice to know what happened though for peace of mind :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmoredSnowman Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 That's asking for a lot more programming that's not high on the list, and someone Sly trusts to find and notify. Or something that auto finds based on criteria, but that could lead to false positves. I like the idea of hiding the time, but I don't know if it could be setup easily for the mods to be able to use without a lot of programming. I simply don't think it's a high enough priority for the site to put so much money and time into. Good thoughts though! I personally would like slowest achievers! But I don't think that's going to happen. Something to think about Edit: I should also mention this isn't an open source site made by all of us. This is a business, and as all such businesses, require money and time from a small group of individual/s (aka Sly) to produce what you're entailing. So no vote will effect anything, just bringing it up to attention is enough. Your ideas aren't bad at all. Slowest achievers would be intense. People would literally wait years on end to get plat just to be top spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaTrash Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Ya unfortunately even making a small script can take a while depending That's why there's so many feature requests that can't be done do to time allotted. I think he has his hands full with the servers atm anyway, though I don't claim to be in the know about why the site has slowed :/ It would be nice to know what happened though for peace of mind :/ Sure I get that, it's just there's already a way to remove hackers from the leaderboards. There would need to be a way to remove them the fastest time leaderboards without flagging their game. There was meant to be a mobile app but loads of people voted not to support it. By support I mean like $5 for the app. Many people wanted it to be free. I'd be happy to donate $20 to a mobile app personally, it's a shame others wouldn't. He always seems to being doing something is my point and yeah the servers might be a thing he's working on. I wouldn't claim know anything about what he's up to though haha. I'd also happily donate some money towards implementing the hiding of false times. Edited March 28, 2016 by AlphaTrash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav9834 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Sure I get that, it's just there's already a way to remove hackers from the leaderboards. There would need to be a way to remove them the fastest time leaderboards without flagging their game. There was meant to be a mobile app but loads of people voted not to support it. By support I mean like $5 for the app. Many people wanted it to be free. I'd be happy to donate $20 to a mobile app personally, it's a shame others wouldn't. He always seems to being doing something is my point and yeah the servers might be a thing he's working on. I wouldn't claim know anything about what he's up to though haha. I'd also happily donate some money towards implementing the hiding of false times. Ah yes the mobile app I'd gladly pay $100 if it has forum features! I think a lot of people who said they wouldn't pay, eventually would. But it's like $10-30,000(depending on features) to get a custom app made, and is stable, and that's just one platform :/I want to make a mockup app that people can interact with using android, so they can get an idea of what it would be like in function. But I really don't have the time :/ I could use cs3 flash, and that would go a ton faster, but wouldn't be able to be used on you phone for true demonstration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gage Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) I do think they should at the very least be hidden from the 100% club fastest achievers. Considering if you did the profile deletion trick on a ps3 game you would be actually flagged for it. And while the list swap thing was something that happened to people without them making it happen the times resulting from it are illegitimate as well and shouldn't be held above people who legitimately earn the trophies quickly. I do also know there is a way in place already to hide people from the 100% club of a game without flagging them, as I know of at least one person who's had it done with FF14. Edited March 28, 2016 by ggamer15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaTrash Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 Ah yes the mobile app I'd gladly pay $100 if it has forum features! I think a lot of people who said they wouldn't pay, eventually would. But it's like $10-30,000(depending on features) to get a custom app made, and is stable, and that's just one platform :/ I want to make a mockup app that people can interact with using android, so they can get an idea of what it would be like in function. But I really don't have the time :/ I could use cs3 flash, and that would go a ton faster, but wouldn't be able to be used on you phone for true demonstration. Ahh yeah, when you put it like that I'd gladly throw in $100. How much time would it take you to make a psnp app for android? I do think they should at the very least be hidden from the 100% club fastest achievers. Considering if you did the profile deletion trick on a ps3 game you would be actually flagged for it. And while the list swap thing was something that happened to people without them making it happen the times resulting from it are illegitimate as well and shouldn't be held above people who legitimately earn the trophies quickly. I do also know there is a way in place already to hide people from the 100% club of a game without flagging them, as I know of at least one person who's had it done with FF14. That's true and very good point. There could have been plenty of people who got the fastest time on ps3 with the same method who just ended up being flagged. Someone's been hidden from the fastest time before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleggworth Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) That's the fun in games for some people. They didn't cheat to get fastest time so they should stay. They probably put in a lot of planning and work into getting those times. Edited March 28, 2016 by Cleggworth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gage Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Someone's been hidden from the fastest time before? Well, I just looked and he's in there again, so maybe not. I remember the person with the fastest plat time wasn't in the 100% club at one point, but wasn't flagged or anything. Might have just been my mistake and missed him hiding the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaTrash Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 That's the fun in games for some people. They didn't cheat to get fastest time so they should stay. They probably put in a lot of planning and work into getting those times. I can assure you it's extremely easy and much easier than doing it legit. Well, I just looked and he's in there again, so maybe not. I remember the person with the fastest plat time wasn't in the 100% club at one point, but wasn't flagged or anything. Might have just been my mistake and missed him hiding the game. Fair enough, that sucks then. ;/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav9834 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Ahh yeah, when you put it like that I'd gladly throw in $100. How much time would it take you to make a psnp app for android? It wouldn't be networked(usable), as I don't know how to do that, not to mention I wouldn't have much access to the information on the site, besides pulling some. It would be static, aka you could see how it would work in function with swipes and guides and forums, but you could hit refresh on status updates and nothing would change ever lol. A proof of concept. And considering I haven't touched java in 2 years, a long time lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanimeGamer Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I think it would be better to just take these stats with a large dose of salt anyway, especially as they only track 2.6 million PSN accounts which is only a small fraction out of all PSN accounts and as such means whoever is at number 1 or 100 or 1000 probably isn't anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaivRules Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 And considering I haven't touched java in 2 years, a long time lol 2 years is a long time? ...I haven't touched Java since Java 1.2 in 1999. It would still be cool. You should make the time, you'd get lots of likes from us. Isn't that worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegirlruka Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 hmmmmmm... I like the idea, but it might be hard to define the limits of what is considered a false time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch061 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Or this Sly: http://psnprofiles.com/forums/user/1-sly-ripper/ How has voting worked out for the PS4 Plus games? Don't be mad if the vote for this turns out the same way. Exactly. It would be better to seek some sort of consensus, rather than simple majority rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I think this could be implemented as another option when flagging someone, we have "Trophies earned out of order", "Trophies earned long before release date" and "Too many trophies earned too close together", adding a new option just for this issue would let Sly know how to handle it, because IMO the PS4 auto-pop glitch is not worth of a flag, just hiding the user out of the faster achiever list is good enough since they had no control over it. Then again, someone else suggested a "MP trophies earned after server closure" option when flagging someone and that hasn't been implemented. (yet?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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