D4N11-- Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) I need just one Jecht sphere to get the last 10th Jecht sphere. I don't know how am I supposed to get to Besaid village, as the dark valefor stops me. I'm wondering if there is ship to go to besaid village from other routes than the gate? He always gets starting turn and hits 9999 on everybody. I can't get turn to use shell on auron who has 5.6k hp so it would halve the damage and auron would rescue everybody with auto-phoenix.. Do i really have to waste 3 armors in order to use auto-shells on them and to get chance to fight dark valefor? My Auron has 5.6k hp, Yuna 4.1k, Wakka 5k. Rest has 2-3k hp but I don't use them on this fight. I haven't beated one-eye yet in the monster arena as he one-shots everyone of us with sonic wave. So I can't get triple AP item yet to farm levels faster. Jecht sphere is not the only thing I need to get from besaid, as I need it for Anima too and I need Anima to get Magus sisters. Edited June 13, 2016 by D4N11-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-Archon Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) I need just one Jecht sphere to get the last 10th Jecht sphere. I don't know how am I supposed to get to Besaid village, as the dark valefor stops me. I'm wondering if there is ship to go to besaid village from other routes than the gate? He always gets starting turn and hits 9999 on everybody. I can't get turn to use shell on auron who has 5.6k hp so it would halve the damage and auron would rescue everybody with auto-phoenix.. Do i really have to waste 3 armors in order to use auto-shells on them and to get chance to fight dark valefor? My Auron has 5.6k hp, Yuna 4.1k, Wakka 5k. Rest has 2-3k hp but I don't use them on this fight. I haven't beated one-eye yet in the monster arena as he one-shots everyone of us with sonic wave. So I can't get triple AP item yet to farm levels faster. Jecht sphere is not the only thing I need to get from besaid, as I need it for Anima too and I need Anima to get Magus sisters. Lol, if those are your stats you're not nearly good enough to beat the dark aeons (unless you abuse the Zanmato). Dark Aeons are meant as postgame bosses so come back after leveling up a lot and reaching the area inside Sin and beating Omega Weapon in the Omega Dungeon. Also I thought you only needed to use each destruction sphere in every Cloister of Trials and get the temple treasure for Anima . Edited June 13, 2016 by Dragon-Archon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4N11-- Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 How does zanmato trick work? If i pay him my 1.2M gil does he use zanmato? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Just max out Agility and have the ability "Auto-haste" on Yuna. You may also wanna try to check if "First Strike" ability works. Then just summon Yojimbo to do his one hit kill. How does zanmato trick work? If i pay him my 1.2M gil does he use zanmato? You don't need to pay him 1.2M gil. I already told you in another thread to read up on how to make Yojimbo do Zanmato. It doesn't require 1.2M gil. I think I paid like a 100 or 1000 or something. There's a system to it, and how you got him affects that too. Which is why I told you to read about it before getting him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/197344-final-fantasy-x/faqs/18486 https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/197344-final-fantasy-x/faqs/24392 Edited June 13, 2016 by MMDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-Archon Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 How does zanmato trick work? If i pay him my 1.2M gil does he use zanmato? It's based on your relation with Yojimbo, this FAQ should explain it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil_Joker88 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I haven't beated one-eye yet in the monster arena as he one-shots everyone of us with sonic wave. So I can't get triple AP item yet to farm levels faster. To level up you should walk through spira again collecting all monsters.. This is killing two birds with one stone. At least assuming you're going after the endgame bosses like Penance and Deus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4N11-- Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 I gave Yojimbo 5k and he performed WAkizazhi (all) so his compatiblety was 64-79 and by giving 5k gil he boosted 22 compatibility so his normal compatibilty is now 42-57? everytime i use wakizazhi all it boosts it by 3 permanently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) To level up you should walk through spira again collecting all monsters.. This is killing two birds with one stone. At least assuming you're going after the endgame bosses like Penance and Deus Yes. I told him this earlier too... http://psnprofiles.com/forums/topic/38133-fast-levels/ Seriously, just read the answers you get... I did provide you with a lot of useful information on things you should work on towards the end, what to focus on while doing everything else and what to do etc. I gave Yojimbo 5k and he performed WAkizazhi (all) so his compatiblety was 64-79 and by giving 5k gil he boosted 22 compatibility so his normal compatibilty is now 42-57? everytime i use wakizazhi all it boosts it by 3 permanently? Have you read the links I gave you earlier? Yes/No? There are several factors... "permanent", you can both lose and gain. It's based on your relation with Yojimbo, this FAQ should explain it all. This is oversimplified. Edited June 13, 2016 by MMDE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4N11-- Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Yes. I told him this earlier too... http://psnprofiles.com/forums/topic/38133-fast-levels/ Seriously, just read the answers you get... I did provide you with a lot of useful information on things you should work on towards the end, what to focus on while doing everything else and what to do etc. Have you read the links I gave you earlier? Yes/No? This is oversimplified. Yes I read them but I don't focus too much while reading I mostly scroll them and read the most importan things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Yes I read them but I don't focus too much while reading I mostly scroll them and read the most importan things Yeah, I don't think you read it, because Yojimbo is somewhat complicated. You have several factors playing in on what he will end up doing. One of the most important would be what you said to him when you hired him. If you picked to defeat very strong enemies, this is the best if you want to use him to fight against bosses. It will be worse against very weak enemies, but it will generally be much better when you actually really want to use him. If Yojimbo has overdrive makes a huge difference! How affection changes: Action | C. Change ------------------------------------------------- Pay 0 Gil | -20 Yojimbo dies | -10 Dismiss w/out paying | -3 Uses Daigoro | -1 Uses Kozuka | No Change Uses Wakizashi (single) | +1 Uses Wakizashi (all) | +3 Uses Zanmato | +4 There is also a luck element. Oh, and how much you pay him of course affects the result: Gil Paid | Motivation --------------------------------------- 1 to 3 | 0 4 to 7 | 2 8 to 15 | 4 16 to 31 | 6 32 to 63 | 8 64 to 127 | 10 128 to 255 | 12 256 to 511 | 14 512 to 1023 | 16 1024 to 2047 | 18 2048 to 4095 | 20 4096 to 8191 | 22 8129 to 16383 | 24 16384 to 32767 | 26 32768 to 65535 | 28 65536 to 131071 | 30 131072 to 262143 | 32 262144 to 524287 | 34 524288 to 1048575 | 36 1048576 to 2097151 | 38 2097152 to 4194303 | 40 4194304 to 83886007 | 42 83886008 to 16777215 | 44 16777216 to 33554431 | 46 33554432 to 67108863 | 48 67108864 to 134217727 | 50 134217728 to 268435455 | 52 268435456 to 536870911 | 54 536870912 to 999999999 | 56 With Dark Valefor, I'd probably just pay 4096. Edited June 13, 2016 by MMDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4N11-- Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Yeah, I don't think you read it, because Yojimbo is somewhat complicated. You have several factors playing in on what he will end up doing. One of the most important would be what you said to him when you hired him. If you picked to defeat very strong enemies, this is the best if you want to use him to fight against bosses. It will be worse against very weak enemies, but it will generally be much better when you actually want to use him, especially when you REALLY want to use him. If Yojimbo has overdrive makes a huge difference! How affection changes: Action | C. Change ------------------------------------------------- Pay 0 Gil | -20 Yojimbo dies | -10 Dismiss w/out paying | -3 Uses Daigoro | -1 Uses Kozuka | No Change Uses Wakizashi (single) | +1 Uses Wakizashi (all) | +3 Uses Zanmato | +4 There is also a luck element. I took him against very strong enemies, I paid him now 5K in 4 fights, he used Wakizashi (all) each time, so he got +3 x 4 = +12 Compatiblity ? but after that fight I paid again 5K like before, but he performed Kozuka? Kozuka is done when Compatiblity is 32-47? But I just boosted his COmpatilitbty by 12 so he suddenly has normal compatibility 20-35??? it seems like it only went down by using wakizashi all x4 I had to reload the game incase it glitched and gave me wrong attack I took him against very strong enemies, I paid him now 5K in 4 fights, he used Wakizashi (all) each time, so he got +3 x 4 = +12 Compatiblity ? but after that fight I paid again 5K like before, but he performed Kozuka? Kozuka is done when Compatiblity is 32-47? But I just boosted his COmpatilitbty by 12 so he suddenly has normal compatibility 20-35??? it seems like it only went down by using wakizashi all x4 I had to reload the game incase it glitched and gave me wrong attack Now he used ZANMATO after paying 5K so he has compatibility of 80 ( -22 from the 5K) so normal compatibility of 58? or now it boosted with +4 so its 62 now? If I pay him 1025 next time he performs zanmato as he has 80 compatibility then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) I took him against very strong enemies, I paid him now 5K in 4 fights, he used Wakizashi (all) each time, so he got +3 x 4 = +12 Compatiblity ? but after that fight I paid again 5K like before, but he performed Kozuka? Kozuka is done when Compatiblity is 32-47? But I just boosted his COmpatilitbty by 12 so he suddenly has normal compatibility 20-35??? it seems like it only went down by using wakizashi all x4 I had to reload the game incase it glitched and gave me wrong attack There is an element of luck, so you don't necessarily always get the result you want. Gil Paid | Motivation --------------------------------------- 1 to 3 | 0 4 to 7 | 2 8 to 15 | 4 16 to 31 | 6 32 to 63 | 8 64 to 127 | 10 128 to 255 | 12 256 to 511 | 14 512 to 1023 | 16 1024 to 2047 | 18 2048 to 4095 | 20 4096 to 8191 | 22 8129 to 16383 | 24 16384 to 32767 | 26 32768 to 65535 | 28 65536 to 131071 | 30 131072 to 262143 | 32 262144 to 524287 | 34 524288 to 1048575 | 36 1048576 to 2097151 | 38 2097152 to 4194303 | 40 4194304 to 83886007 | 42 83886008 to 16777215 | 44 16777216 to 33554431 | 46 33554432 to 67108863 | 48 67108864 to 134217727 | 50 134217728 to 268435455 | 52 268435456 to 536870911 | 54 536870912 to 999999999 | 56 With Dark Valefor, I'd probably just pay 4096, 5k would get the same result. Just try some few times, and you'll succeed. If you don't succeed, you need to run around fight normal enemies to improve his affection. I showed you earlier how each action affected his affection. You want to pay like 1024 or 512 each time you use him, just to make sure he is much less likely to do Daigoro (when he use the dog, it decreases his affection). Fighting weak enemies is also recommended, because this increase your chances of him doing strong attacks which increase his affection. Edited June 13, 2016 by MMDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4N11-- Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 I took him against very strong enemies, I paid him now 5K in 4 fights, he used Wakizashi (all) each time, so he got +3 x 4 = +12 Compatiblity ? but after that fight I paid again 5K like before, but he performed Kozuka? Kozuka is done when Compatiblity is 32-47? But I just boosted his COmpatilitbty by 12 so he suddenly has normal compatibility 20-35??? it seems like it only went down by using wakizashi all x4 I had to reload the game incase it glitched and gave me wrong attack Now he used ZANMATO after paying 5K so he has compatibility of 80 ( -22 from the 5K) so normal compatibility of 58? or now it boosted with +4 so its 62 now? If I pay him 1025 next time he performs zanmato as he has 80 compatibility then? Now he only used wakizashi (single) withj 5k so he had compatibility of 48-63 with boost of 22 from 5k so base compatibility was only 26-41? ok I go try use zanmato with 5k on dark valefor I try it 20 time if Doesnt work I go normal enemies again to improve his compatibility Now he only used wakizashi (single) withj 5k so he had compatibility of 48-63 with boost of 22 from 5k so base compatibility was only 26-41? ok I go try use zanmato with 5k on dark valefor I try it 20 time if Doesnt work I go normal enemies again to improve his compatibility Does the luck affect only one time after reloading? If I reload and try pay 5k, but be unsuccessfull, then reload again, Do I get the same luck I had last time or is the luck based of rng that resets everytime after reloading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch061 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 If you're looking for the plat, there's no reason to do this. Dark Valefor is very easy with even a decently leveled character (and since you need to fill the sphere grid, why wouldn't you be?). I'm all for Zanmato for the poorly-designed bosses like Penance, but why waste the effort now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4N11-- Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) If you're looking for the plat, there's no reason to do this. Dark Valefor is very easy with even a decently leveled character (and since you need to fill the sphere grid, why wouldn't you be?). I'm all for Zanmato for the poorly-designed bosses like Penance, but why waste the effort now? If I get to besaid I can get anima and I need anima to get double sisters. With those 2 aeons I can maybe defeat stronger enemies Also I need zanmato to defeat One-eye in monster arena to get Triple AP weapons And zanmato can help me to kill tom jangerberry in monster arena to farm some levels Edited June 13, 2016 by D4N11-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 If you're looking for the plat, there's no reason to do this. Dark Valefor is very easy with even a decently leveled character (and since you need to fill the sphere grid, why wouldn't you be?). I'm all for Zanmato for the poorly-designed bosses like Penance, but why waste the effort now? Waste effort now? You will need to train Yojimbo for Zanmato a bit. Shouldn't take more than like some few minutes. Personally, Yojimbo did Zanmato like almost every time I tried to do it against any of the dark aeons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcrunch061 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Waste effort now? You will need to train Yojimbo for Zanmato a bit. Shouldn't take more than like some few minutes. Personally, Yojimbo did Zanmato like almost every time I tried to do it against any of the dark aeons. Not me. I had pretty bad luck with him. And isn't he pretty worthless against his dark version, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Not me. I had pretty bad luck with him. And isn't he pretty worthless against his dark version, anyway? I used him against his dark version too. If you have good affection with him, the chances are pretty decent, but you can't rely on him 100%. I think I had to kill one or two without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MesopithecusUK Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 With the Yojimbo method, I found personally that he would use Zanmato more often if I used Yuna's Grand Summon overdrive ability. That may just be coincidence though as I'm aware there is a random element to it and I only really used him for Nemesis and Penance Did you make all the optimal choices in the Cavern of the Stolen Fayth when you acquired him? Those choices will have an influence on his usage of Zanmato. As others have said, if you're looking for the plat, I'd be personally inclined to go to Omega Ruins and level up your sphere grid some more....you need to do that anyway for the platinum so it might make things a bit easier for you and thus save you the need to ask about alternate low level strategies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 With the Yojimbo method, I found personally that he would use Zanmato more often if I used Yuna's Grand Summon overdrive ability. That may just be coincidence though as I'm aware there is a random element to it and I only really used him for Nemesis and Penance Did you make all the optimal choices in the Cavern of the Stolen Fayth when you acquired him? Those choices will have an influence on his usage of Zanmato. As others have said, if you're looking for the plat, I'd be personally inclined to go to Omega Ruins and level up your sphere grid some more....you need to do that anyway for the platinum so it might make things a bit easier for you and thus save you the need to ask about alternate low level strategies. Grand summon makes the aeon get instant overdrive IIRC. As point out earlier, yes, this helps a lot. It doubles the number being used! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4N11-- Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 It worked I paid 33K and he Zanmato'ed Dark Valefor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincessPixie92 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 yeah , if your going to fight the dark aeons without zanmato then youll have to do a lot of prep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil_Joker88 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Not me. I had pretty bad luck with him. And isn't he pretty worthless against his dark version, anyway? I used Zanmatou against the Dark Aeons before i went into Sin so it was pretty useful 2 Charakters with ribbon armor made fighting in Omega's hideout and Sin's Corpse much easier If Yojimbo has overdrive makes a huge difference! How affection changes: Action | C. Change ------------------------------------------------- Pay 0 Gil | -20 Yojimbo dies | -10 Dismiss w/out paying | -3 Uses Daigoro | -1 Uses Kozuka | No Change Uses Wakizashi (single) | +1 Uses Wakizashi (all) | +3 Uses Zanmato | +4 There is also a luck element. Oh, and how much you pay him of course affects the result: Gil Paid | Motivation --------------------------------------- 1 to 3 | 0 4 to 7 | 2 8 to 15 | 4 16 to 31 | 6 32 to 63 | 8 64 to 127 | 10 128 to 255 | 12 256 to 511 | 14 512 to 1023 | 16 1024 to 2047 | 18 2048 to 4095 | 20 4096 to 8191 | 22 8129 to 16383 | 24 16384 to 32767 | 26 32768 to 65535 | 28 65536 to 131071 | 30 131072 to 262143 | 32 Very interesting by the way I paid him 100.000 gil by each dark aeon and hoped that he'd use Zanmatou But at least i used Yuna's Overdrive to maximum Yojinbo's Edited June 13, 2016 by Evil_Joker88 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMDE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Now he used ZANMATO after paying 5K so he has compatibility of 80 ( -22 from the 5K) so normal compatibility of 58? or now it boosted with +4 so its 62 now? If I pay him 1025 next time he performs zanmato as he has 80 compatibility then? There's a random value put into the mix too, though, if you get the affection high enough, it's pretty constant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEMON Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Anytime I use Yojimbo and want him to use Zanmato, I pay him 1024 gil, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It works like this 1024 gil + RNG being on your side. If doesn't work, quit and reload your game and try again. No reason to give up piles of gil for the move. Edited June 13, 2016 by DEMON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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