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What was the Point in this Game?

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This is really random and probably overdue (for me at least because I Platinumed this game back in April), but what exactly was the point in making this game? When I played it it was such a borefest. Story was lame, graphics sucked, gameplay was meh, and the theme was stale. I know it was Co-op oriented but I just couldn't find any reason someone would enjoy this game. I know I was four years late, but was this game any good when it released at least? Luckily I got it via a free code I got with a copy of ITN. I just preferred the classic style of R&C way more.

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I think that they tried something different with that game, and I commend them for that.  Just because it did not work, does not mean that we should shy away from experimentation.  Personally, I had no reason to dislike the game.  Sure, I had played better Ratchet and Clank games, but my wife and I enjoyed our time with this one.

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It was just a spin-off game Insomniac created to celebrate Ratchet's 10th anniversary. I don't think there was much thought behind it. They probably just decided to try something a little different as a side project. Luckily the Trilogy collection came out the same year though so I wasn't too disappointed. xD 

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At least this series gets installments with online play, id kill for a Jak game with online. Id literally play it everyday...

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3 minutes ago, SuperSaiyan3985 said:

Jak with online? Why would that even be necessary LOL

 

Because it has the potential to be incredibly fun and will add infinite replay incentive to the game (so that I always have incentive to come back to play), something that's basically impossible with single player games that aren't rpgs or openworld or online focused. Granted there are a some exceptions because of rpg elements.

 

I like single players games, but I dont want it all the time, and literally replaying static campaigns is not fun. Perfect examples of this our Jak HD Collection and The Last of Us. The HD Collection is stale since all it offers is SP, even with its numerous plot twist, fun gameplay, and engaging story (gets stale upon repeat playthroughs). I have no great reason to come back to the game daily or most days a week. All I have is replaying the campaign over and over and over. I want to team up with buddies and take on waves of enemies, fool around in the hub world, etc. Imagine GTA without online in modern times. Would you play TLOU or Uncharted 4 as much if they didnt have online? Even COD4. General question, you might not like MP, making this whole thing redundant). If neither U4 or TLOU had online, my total playtime would be cut in half plus some. Many, many ppl rely on U4's and TLOU's MP to have a reason to revisit the game consistently.

 

And more assets of the Jak series would be better used in MP, just as Jak X showed. I disagree with campaign coop, but a seperate coop mode (like Uncharted) and/or pvp will be great.

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13 minutes ago, Mar said:

 

Because it has the potential to be incredibly fun and will add infinite replay incentive to the game (so that I always have incentive to come back to play), something that's basically impossible with single player games that aren't rpgs or openworld or online focused. Granted there are a some exceptions because of rpg elements.

 

I like single players games, but I dont want it all the time, and literally replaying static campaigns is not fun. Perfect examples of this our Jak HD Collection and The Last of Us. The HD Collection is stale since all it offers is SP, even with its numerous plot twist, fun gameplay, and engaging story (gets stale upon repeat playthroughs). I have no great reason to come back to the game daily or most days a week. All I have is replaying the campaign over and over and over. I want to team up with buddies and take on waves of enemies, fool around in the hub world, etc. Imagine GTA without online in modern times. Would you play TLOU or Uncharted 4 as much if they didnt have online? Even COD4. General question, you might not like MP, making this whole thing redundant). If neither U4 or TLOU had online, my total playtime would be cut in half plus some. Many, many ppl rely on U4's and TLOU's MP to have a reason to revisit the game consistently.

 

And more assets of the Jak series would be better used in MP, just as Jak X showed. I disagree with campaign coop, but a seperate coop mode (like Uncharted) and/or pvp will be great.

Well there's PSASBR and Minecraft J&D texture pack. :giggle: 

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27 minutes ago, yellowwindow7 said:

the only game in the series that would be cool to have an online component is Jak X Combat Racing, other than that No No and two billion times No!

 

You dont like the Jak series (sequels) in general so your opinion doesnt really interest me (since I cant expect any openmindedness). My opinion was based on the idea that ND would have fixed Jak's gunplay mechanics by the next installment, since they're highly experienced with TPS now, despite there being a legit reason why the gunplay was designed purposely the way it was (preserving the style of Jak's world and level design). Every other gameplay mechanic like the jetboard, buggies (Jak X makes Jak 3's irrelevant), zoomers would be completely fine online. 

 

The NYFE races in Jak 2 would work online. The transportation missions in J2/3 where you pick up NPCs and drive them around (like GTA) would be fine online. The team up missions like defending Ashelin in desert and escorting men through the sewers would be fine online. Regardless of Jak's flawed gunplay, the addition of seperate-coop would still work and be fun regardless. Those gun mechanics just would not be fun from a pvp perspective, cause its not balanced enough to be taken there. Not all online features means PVP.

 

Id love to race a player on my jetboard, id love to roam around the world with them in a vehicle, id love to go kill metal heads with them. The trilogy showed the potential off with various npc missions and id love if that was actually another player. 

 

Like I said, SP is nothing after the 1-2 PTs. Even though I have no problem beating the trilogy over and over and over that... is just not as fun as MP can be. Worse enough they didnt make the high score features in HD Collection online compatible, unlike the re-releases of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic Adventure 2, Uncharted Collection, etc.

9 minutes ago, totallycrushed said:

Well there's PSASBR and Minecraft J&D texture pack. :giggle: 

 

PSASBR ran its course. Been playing it since launch - few decent long term breaks in'between - and joined a ton of tournaments and have contributed greatly to his wiki page on PSASBR. It's definitely the best example you provided, unlike the cool but aesthetic dlc costumes for him in un-related theme games like Modnation and LBP.

 

However that's a fighting game, which means im limited to only fighting. Theres also the fact that Jak's overall design in that game wasnt handled that well at all (that rival encoubter cutscene will never be forgiven).

 

Minecraft is irrelevant. Unlike R&C FFA, Id be fine with something more like TLOU and Overwatch combined for Jak. :^) 

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10 minutes ago, Mar said:

 

Minecraft is irrelevant. Unlike R&C FFA, Id be fine with something more like TLOU and Overwatch combined. :^) 

Slap Jak Goggles on Drake and use Moss-12, Dragon Sniper and GAU-19 and you're almost living your dream.

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3 minutes ago, totallycrushed said:

Slap Jak Goggles on Drake and use Moss-12, Dragon Sniper and GAU-19 and you're almost living your dream.

 

Neither in R&C:FFA nor U4 [or TLOU] are there any Jak related dlcs for me to use. U3 has it, which increased my playtime by at least another 100hrs. U4 is most relevant entry and provides more fluid modern day controls, so U4 needs it.

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1 minute ago, Mar said:

 

Neither in R&C:FFA nor U4 [or TLOU] are there any Jak related dlcs for me to use. U3 has it, which increased my playtime by at least another 100hrs. U4 is most relevant entry and provides more fluid modern day controls, so U4 needs it.

Drop the glasses, use Moss-12, Dragon Sniper and GAU-19. Still pretty close.

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1 minute ago, totallycrushed said:

Drop the glasses, use Moss-12, Dragon Sniper and GAU-19. Still pretty close.

 

Not at all close. Just cause Jak has a shotgun, machine gun, and semi-auto rifle (which isnt a sniper) doesnt mean any game with a shotgun, rifle, and machine gun come close. If it aint Jak's or inspired by Jak, it's not good enough.

 

At least, Naughty Dog could remaster Jak X, or have someone do it. But they cant do that because of their superiority complex and precious reputation. 

 

R&C fans have no appreciation. 

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Just now, Mar said:

 

Not at all close. Just cause Jak has a shotgun, machine gun, and semi-auto rifle (which isnt a sniper) doesnt mean any game with a shotgun, rifle, and machine gun come close. If it aint Jak's or inspired by Jak, it's not good enough.

 

At least, Naughty Dog could remaster Jak X, or have someone do it. But they cant do that because of their superiority complex and precious reputation. 

 

R&C fans have no appreciation. 

Yep fuck J&D I'm all about that R&C lyfe!

 

Seriously though, I'm just giving you options :D

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2 hours ago, Mar said:

 

Because it has the potential to be incredibly fun and will add infinite replay incentive to the game (so that I always have incentive to come back to play), something that's basically impossible with single player games that aren't rpgs or openworld or online focused. Granted there are a some exceptions because of rpg elements.

 

I like single players games, but I dont want it all the time, and literally replaying static campaigns is not fun. Perfect examples of this our Jak HD Collection and The Last of Us. The HD Collection is stale since all it offers is SP, even with its numerous plot twist, fun gameplay, and engaging story (gets stale upon repeat playthroughs). I have no great reason to come back to the game daily or most days a week. All I have is replaying the campaign over and over and over. I want to team up with buddies and take on waves of enemies, fool around in the hub world, etc. Imagine GTA without online in modern times. Would you play TLOU or Uncharted 4 as much if they didnt have online? Even COD4. General question, you might not like MP, making this whole thing redundant). If neither U4 or TLOU had online, my total playtime would be cut in half plus some. Many, many ppl rely on U4's and TLOU's MP to have a reason to revisit the game consistently.

 

And more assets of the Jak series would be better used in MP, just as Jak X showed. I disagree with campaign coop, but a seperate coop mode (like Uncharted) and/or pvp will be great.

But you see, Jak is a linear game that doesn't need an online element. For me Naughty Dog has always put out state-of-the-art story games and I don't expect a solid MP from them. I, personally, am a veteran TLOU MP player and current UC4MP player. Both Multiplayers are good yes, but not to die for. Plus Naughty Dog gets real naughty with those microstransacrions which pisses me off. My point is, as long as they deliver a lifetime experience like TLOU or Uncharted I don't think MP is required. Besides I just sell my single player games after I'm done with them so I make most of my money back.

1 hour ago, totallycrushed said:

Yep fuck J&D I'm all about that R&C lyfe!

 

Seriously though, I'm just giving you options :D

LOL I'm about both.

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1 minute ago, SuperSaiyan3985 said:

 

LOL I'm about both.

Always choose both! Both are amazing series on their own.

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59 minutes ago, SuperSaiyan3985 said:

But you see, Jak is a linear game that doesn't need an online element. For me Naughty Dog has always put out state-of-the-art story games and I don't expect a solid MP from them. I, personally, am a veteran TLOU MP player and current UC4MP player. Both Multiplayers are good yes, but not to die for. Plus Naughty Dog gets real naughty with those microstransacrions which pisses me off. My point is, as long as they deliver a lifetime experience like TLOU or Uncharted I don't think MP is required. Besides I just sell my single player games after I'm done with them so I make most of my money back.

LOL I'm about both.

 

Not as linear as Crash, Uncharted, and TLOU. In-fact, linear is incorrect. Jak is openworld, with some linear aspects. Openworld games have potential to have great MP. Obviously Mercenaries, Dying Light, GTA, Borderlands, etc. Argubly, no (narrative driven) games need MP... so I find that point moot. My point is MP will add some very supportive replay incentive, so that im not forced to replay through a non changing campaign that I've already experienced over and over to justify return visits to the game. And again Jak is openworld so it should be exploited or taken advantage of fully, linear tier mp aspects would actually be insufficient (e.g. inFAMOUS 1). Light, moderate, or heavy MP components I dont really care which, but SOMETHING will be nice. Just Cause 3, Gravity Rush 2, inFAMOUS 2, among others are openworld games with light online features. Jak could use some to increase replay incentive, disregarding some default openworld replay incentive like infinite activities, typical OW themes. Again when I say MP it doesnt have to necessarily be coop or PVP, which is the first thing ppl think sadly.

 

MP is welcomed if it can increase a game's lifespan while being solid. Games like Journey provide great one time experiences, but that's it. And yes overtime, your memory will fade of it, making it irrelevant nearly. A game should last as long as possible and have a lot of content (OW esp) -- should keep you coming back.

 

I want to play good games for as long as possible. Online components support that option. Your ideal is way too different from mines. I seek to get the most out of my games and want them to give me incentive to come back. You just care about the experience and then sell it without actually caring about gameplay content, like your prime two game examples. Jak has narrative focus but also GP focus and an openworld so I think my desires are fair. I actually want to keep playing my games, not experience a good story then sell the game.

 

Microtrans is what they do. Im not going to agree to not have MP aspects in a Jak game just because of microtransactions, which itself applies to specific MP aspects, not all.

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7 minutes ago, fastflowdaman said:

Turning a perfectly fine R&C thread into a J&D lecture. Who'da thunk.

 

It doesn't matter what kind of thread it is; he always finds some way to derail it with a J&D lecture. Anybody would think he has a creepy obsession with that series or something. Oh wait...

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7 minutes ago, Undead Wolf said:

 

It doesn't matter what kind of thread it is; he always finds some way to derail it with a J&D lecture. Anybody would think he has a creepy obsession with that series or something. Oh wait...

Mio DLC when?

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4 hours ago, Mar said:

 

Not at all close. Just cause Jak has a shotgun, machine gun, and semi-auto rifle (which isnt a sniper) doesnt mean any game with a shotgun, rifle, and machine gun come close. If it aint Jak's or inspired by Jak, it's not good enough.

 

At least, Naughty Dog could remaster Jak X, or have someone do it. But they cant do that because of their superiority complex and precious reputation. 

 

R&C fans have no appreciation. 

R&C fans have no appreciation? The hell are you on about?

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FFA wasn't great by any stretch, but it had it's moments here and there.   I agree with Sir_Bee that they tried something different, like we saw with A4O, but I also think it was just a quick money maker taking advantage of the success of the name/franchise.   Insomniac have been disappointing since around that time, imo, short half baked Ratchet games, trashed Resistance before they finished with it...   The PS4 Ratchet, was good, but nowhere near what it should have been, had they given us the full proper game with all the bells and whistles.  Think the last time we had a 'real' Ratchet game was ACiT, 7/8 years ago!   Spidey looks good, I hope it's a return to form, but I won't hold my breath.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Mar said:

 

You dont like the Jak series (sequels) in general so your opinion doesnt really interest me (since I cant expect any openmindedness). My opinion was based on the idea that ND would have fixed Jak's gunplay mechanics by the next installment, since they're highly experienced with TPS now, despite there being a legit reason why the gunplay was designed purposely the way it was (preserving the style of Jak's world and level design). Every other gameplay mechanic like the jetboard, buggies (Jak X makes Jak 3's irrelevant), zoomers would be completely fine online. 

 

The NYFE races in Jak 2 would work online. The transportation missions in J2/3 where you pick up NPCs and drive them around (like GTA) would be fine online. The team up missions like defending Ashelin in desert and escorting men through the sewers would be fine online. Regardless of Jak's flawed gunplay, the addition of seperate-coop would still work and be fun regardless. Those gun mechanics just would not be fun from a pvp perspective, cause its not balanced enough to be taken there. Not all online features means PVP.

 

Id love to race a player on my jetboard, id love to roam around the world with them in a vehicle, id love to go kill metal heads with them. The trilogy showed the potential off with various npc missions and id love if that was actually another player. 

 

Like I said, SP is nothing after the 1-2 PTs. Even though I have no problem beating the trilogy over and over and over that... is just not as fun as MP can be. Worse enough they didnt make the high score features in HD Collection online compatible, unlike the re-releases of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic Adventure 2, Uncharted Collection, etc.

 

even though I still sticks to what I said but you actually have a point on the concept's you came up with, those races across the city do works as an online parts.

 

and you can't really judge me on not liking the series sequels based on my trophies list, i'm planning to re-purchase Jak 2 and 3 anytime soon, I did fully play all three games already including Jak X way back on the ps2, Jak 2 is my least favorite, Jak X is an ok-ish kart racing game.

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I enjoyed R&C FFA as an interesting experiment, and the story was fun for me. It was a little sillier and less epic than the main R&C games but still fun, and the gameplay was decent. I certainly didn't enjoy it anywhere near the main games though. FFA and A4O are the only R&C games I haven't Platinumed (I Platinumed the PS3 HD remasters but not the Vita versions... but I hopefully will one day), and there's a reason for that. 

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21 hours ago, fastflowdaman said:

Turning a perfectly fine R&C thread into a J&D lecture. Who'da thunk.

 

Right because lets be a smartass and also ignore the fact that this happened (and for not so bright people) - v

On 2/9/2017 at 4:37 PM, SuperSaiyan3985 said:

Jak with online? Why would that even be necessary LOL

 

 

20 hours ago, SuperSaiyan3985 said:

R&C fans have no appreciation? The hell are you on about?

 

So.. you cant take the time to understand or accept a different vision/idea with an installment in a franchise? Since when was it law that every single R&C game had to be the traditional linear, single player experience? Why cant one experiement with cooperative or online play? In short, it should be judged for what it tries to do, not for failing to meet your expectations by not being a traditional R&C game.

 

10 hours ago, yellowwindow7 said:

even though I still sticks to what I said but you actually have a point on the concept's you came up with, those races across the city do works as an online parts.

 

and you can't really judge me on not liking the series sequels based on my trophies list, i'm planning to re-purchase Jak 2 and 3 anytime soon, I did fully play all three games already including Jak X way back on the ps2, Jak 2 is my least favorite, Jak X is an ok-ish kart racing game.

 

No Ive read several of your Jak post on different threads. There was no judging or assumptions :p.

 

Jak X isnt a kart racer, and if thats what people wanted and expected (like CTR), you'd be fairly disappointed. Its an arcady half drive sim/half kart racer, so more complex controls should be expected. A lot of ppl dislike the entire game and call it bad (.. lol..) cause its not easy like kart racers, esp since CTR wasnt. People dont like the concept of having to learn to master the controls and the general demanded skill input of the game, since kart racers (again like CTR) dont do this. (Basically... people dont like it because it isnt a kart racer.) Ignoring that closeminded perspective, the game is actually amazing. From structure, production values, design, graphics, environments, story, gameplay, content, music, and so fourth.

 

 

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