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BioWare has officially responded to the numerous criticisms and mockery towards its animation of Mass Effect: Andromeda's characters, and they've had enough. They are not patching it, although apparently it MAY happen in the future.

 

https://dvsgaming.org/bioware-responds-to-mass-effect-criticism/

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6 minutes ago, Nishikino Maki said:

BioWare has officially responded to the numerous criticisms and mockery towards its animation of Mass Effect: Andromeda's characters, and they've had enough. They are not patching it, although apparently it MAY happen in the future.

 

https://dvsgaming.org/bioware-responds-to-mass-effect-criticism/

 

They're not even responding to the criticisms though (at least not in the article you quote)... They're responding to people threatening an EA employee with death and rape.

 

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While their point is just, I feel like the headline "BioWare Responds to Mass Effect Criticism" that the article uses is false as they're not actually responding to the valid criticisms themselves, but they're responding to those scumbags who've taken to harassing people.

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1 minute ago, BillyHorrible said:

 

They're not even responding to the criticisms though (at least not in the article you quote)... They're responding to people threatening an EA employee with death and rape.

 

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While their point is just, I feel like the headline "BioWare Responds to Mass Effect Criticism" that the article uses is false as they're not actually responding to the valid criticisms themselves, but they're responding to those scumbags who've taken to harassing people.

 

That was the second part of the article. Reread the first paragraph. They said they would address it later, meaning they have no intention to fix it immediately.

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1 minute ago, Nishikino Maki said:

That was the second part of the article. Reread the first paragraph. They said they would address it later, meaning they have no intention to fix it immediately.

 

Yeah, I went for the only dev commentary they actually quoted, which was the only 'new' response. The tweet about not doing graphical updates in the day one patch was from last week, saw that one a while ago.

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If I ever get to a point where facial animations become a deciding factor in what games I play, that'll be the day I quit gaming.

 

I already think it's ridiculous when people complain about story and graphics in video games, but facial animations? Really? You want something on your ps4 with great facial animations? It's called Netflix.

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1 hour ago, KingGuy420 said:

If I ever get to a point where facial animations become a deciding factor in what games I play, that'll be the day I quit gaming.

 

I already think it's ridiculous when people complain about story and graphics in video games, but facial animations? Really? You want something on your ps4 with great facial animations? It's called Netflix.

Just because this is not a deciding factor for you does not mean it isn't for the majority of gamers. I want a good game, and for a game to be good I need to become fully immersed in that games story, which a very big portion of the story derives from cinematics as well as voice acting. Both things this game has been getting quite a bit of criticism from. And it is for this reason that I will delay buying this game. I love the series but this seems so far to not be doing the series justice. Gamers do not always want to watch Netflix for a good story, we want to play a game and love the story. We want it to be every bit as interesting and enjoyable as a big budget tv show or cinema experience, and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

However anyone who takes their own opinion on a game and in direct response threatens someone's life is a complete jackass. Great job making the rest of the gaming community look like immature unintelligent asshats. We greatly appreciate it.

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1 hour ago, KingGuy420 said:

If I ever get to a point where facial animations become a deciding factor in what games I play, that'll be the day I quit gaming.

 

I already think it's ridiculous when people complain about story and graphics in video games, but facial animations? Really? You want something on your ps4 with great facial animations? It's called Netflix.

I can't believe I made it through those sentences without dying of cringe.

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19 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

However anyone who takes their own opinion on a game and in direct response threatens someone's life is a complete jackass. Great job making the rest of the gaming community look like immature unintelligent asshats. We greatly appreciate it.

 

Yeah, any time someone does something like this, I feel so ashamed to be a part of the same race... It gets double bad when the person in question is part of a group I belong to. Because naturally the media won't say "people threaten EA exec with death and rape", nope, it's "gamers". See, this is why we can't have nice things.

 

12 minutes ago, Wanderer said:

I can't believe I made it through those sentences without dying of cringe.

 

Saw your post as the most recent one but on the content pages, quotes don't get shown so I figured you posted a new youtube vid of some cringe dialogue... an in-forum quote came out of the blue for me :)

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4 minutes ago, BillyHorrible said:

 

Yeah, any time someone does something like this, I feel so ashamed to be a part of the same race... It gets double bad when the person in question is part of a group I belong to. Because naturally the media won't say "people threaten EA exec with death and rape", nope, it's "gamers". See, this is why we can't have nice things.

 

I couldn't agree with you more. I get it, some of the facial animation is a bit funky but some of the things being said on twitter is just despicable. If you feel the need to threaten to rape somebody because a videogame disappoints you, you need serious help.

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This game has been a disaster. Bioware is pulling the Anita Sarkeesian strategy: avoid all LEGIT criticism and focus only on the few crazies that actually step too far and use them as examples to say that all criticism is like this.

 

They should know that crazies like this ALWAYS appear and instead should focus on fixing the issues with the game. Hell Amazon now is having issues where people's download codes are not working on PSN. This is a freakin' disaster. Poor animations, downgraded graphics from the trailers, terrible performance on consoles, and insane levels of PC specs needed to hit 1080p30FPS, and much more. Why Bioware chooses NOT to respond to these REAL problems and instead focuses on this non issue is proof they don't care.

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9 minutes ago, Cynthia-Roses said:

This game has been a disaster. Bioware is pulling the Anita Sarkeesian strategy: avoid all LEGIT criticism and focus only on the few crazies that actually step too far and use them as examples to say that all criticism is like this.

 

They should know that crazies like this ALWAYS appear and instead should focus on fixing the issues with the game. Hell Amazon now is having issues where people's download codes are not working on PSN. This is a freakin' disaster. Poor animations, downgraded graphics from the trailers, terrible performance on consoles, and insane levels of PC specs needed to hit 1080p30FPS, and much more. Why Bioware chooses NOT to respond to these REAL problems and instead focuses on this non issue is proof they don't care.

I am in no way shape or form defending EA or this game that had already showed how flawed it is well before launch. However I feel they are in the right to post this in reference to people threatening to kill/rape one or multiple employees. Now they definitely need to fix these issues immediately but at the same point they should not be slammed for this remark. The true issue we seem to be having more and more as time progresses is companies putting out games that are so bug ridden or half complete that it's as if they never even play tested their own game. Quit putting out half finished pieces of shit, we do not wish to pay full price for a beta. We as gamers need to draw the line and stop buying into the hype just because of a games title. Make better judgements on which games and companies we support with our hard earned dollars. 

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Just now, serialkilla1987 said:

I am in no way shape or form defending EA or this game that had already showed how flawed it is well before launch. However I feel they are in the right to post this in reference to people threatening to kill/rape one or multiple employees.

 

The thing is though, this happens with virtually every major game release. They are not responding to it because they actually care, they are responding to it to make those criticizing the game look like monsters in hopes that people won't listen to them. This is an age old strategy engaged by social justice warriors and idiots, it's so easy to see through what they are doing that it's laughable. Yes, it goes without saying that people shouldn't do this, but guess what: there are a few mentally deranged people out there, thus why the term is "goes without saying". This is so obviously just an attempt to deflect criticism.

 

2 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

Now they definitely need to fix these issues immediately

 

Which if you read the rest of the article they said they were not doing. This furthers my point of, this is just a publicity stunt to get people to ignore the criticisms. Their intentions are not to protect this person, their intentions are to protect their own asses. Which is MORE shameful.

 

3 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

but at the same point they should not be slammed for this remark.

 

Yes they should, for the reasons I have stated above. If they truly cared about protecting this person, they would first respond to the LEGIT criticism and state what they plan on doing to fix it, THEN focus on protecting them. Not protect them and basically try to paint all criticizers are monsters and then say "we aren't fixing it any time soon". Which is essentially what they did. They are using this person's death threats (which by the way we haven't even confirmed if they are legit or not, as remember when we caught people like Zoe Quinn making alt accounts to attack herself and claim it was criticizers?) to fuel their own agenda. It's more disgraceful.

 

6 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

true issue we seem to be having more and more as time progresses is companies putting out games that are so bug ridden or half complete that it's as if they never even play tested their own game. Quit putting out half finished pieces of shit, we do not wish to pay full price for a beta. We as gamers need to draw the line and stop buying into the hype just because of a games title. Make better judgements on which games and companies we support with our hard earned dollars. 

 

Sadly, developers have used patches, DLC, etc. as a way over the past 10-15 years to condition gamers to be okay with games not working on day one. So many people grew up with the 360 and PS3 that are adults now whom have spent their ENTIRE gaming life being okay with this stuff because it's all they ever knew. Their standards have been conditioned by a lifetime of this nonsense. Notice most of the most avid speakers against this crap are older gamers? Know why? We all grew up before this shit happened where when a game came out, you had 1 chance to make it right. Our standards tend to be a lot higher as a result. Today's gamers are more forgiving sadly, shy of a small percentage of them whom have learned from older gamers not to accept garbage.

 

That's how you get people like one of the above posts who excuses poor graphics, facial animation, and even story as not a sign that a game is not very good. We have a generation of gamers now sadly who accept mediocrity and I'm sorry if it sounds like I am generalizing, but it's what I personally witness.

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11 minutes ago, Cynthia-Roses said:

 

The thing is though, this happens with virtually every major game release. They are not responding to it because they actually care, they are responding to it to make those criticizing the game look like monsters in hopes that people won't listen to them. This is an age old strategy engaged by social justice warriors and idiots, it's so easy to see through what they are doing that it's laughable. Yes, it goes without saying that people shouldn't do this, but guess what: there are a few mentally deranged people out there, thus why the term is "goes without saying". This is so obviously just an attempt to deflect criticism.

 

 

Which if you read the rest of the article they said they were not doing. This furthers my point of, this is just a publicity stunt to get people to ignore the criticisms. Their intentions are not to protect this person, their intentions are to protect their own asses. Which is MORE shameful.

 

 

Yes they should, for the reasons I have stated above. If they truly cared about protecting this person, they would first respond to the LEGIT criticism and state what they plan on doing to fix it, THEN focus on protecting them. Not protect them and basically try to paint all criticizers are monsters and then say "we aren't fixing it any time soon". Which is essentially what they did. They are using this person's death threats (which by the way we haven't even confirmed if they are legit or not, as remember when we caught people like Zoe Quinn making alt accounts to attack herself and claim it was criticizers?) to fuel their own agenda. It's more disgraceful.

 

 

Sadly, developers have used patches, DLC, etc. as a way over the past 10-15 years to condition gamers to be okay with games not working on day one. So many people grew up with the 360 and PS3 that are adults now whom have spent their ENTIRE gaming life being okay with this stuff because it's all they ever knew. Their standards have been conditioned by a lifetime of this nonsense. Notice most of the most avid speakers against this crap are older gamers? Know why? We all grew up before this shit happened where when a game came out, you had 1 chance to make it right. Our standards tend to be a lot higher as a result. Today's gamers are more forgiving sadly, shy of a small percentage of them whom have learned from older gamers not to accept garbage.

 

That's how you get people like one of the above posts who excuses poor graphics, facial animation, and even story as not a sign that a game is not very good. We have a generation of gamers now sadly who accept mediocrity and I'm sorry if it sounds like I am generalizing, but it's what I personally witness.

We will have to agree to disagree on most of this. I in no way see this remark as taking away from the criticisms that they have received on this game. Anyone who sees this and throws away all of the criticisms is just moronic. There is no excuse for people threatening to rape and kill and anyone who speaks out on it should be applauded not discouraged. I understand your viewpoint completely, I just don't agree with it. But as I have stated before EA should have had this game 100% ready to go at launch and this does not excuse them of that fact.

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Just now, serialkilla1987 said:

We will have to agree to disagree on most of this. I in no way see this remark as taking away from the criticisms that they have received on this game. Anyone who sees this and throws away all of the criticisms is just moronic.

 

I implore you to look up Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, Riley Dennis, etc. This strategy is far from unused and it is pretty obvious to spot. When the OVERWHELMING amount of comments regarding the game are about the quality, and the ONLY thing they respond to is the tiny insignificant minority who issued death threats? That's a red flag.

 

3 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

There is no excuse for people threatening to rape and kill and anyone who speaks out on it should be applauded not discouraged.

 

It goes without saying that such a thing is terrible, but when there is evidence that Bioware's REASONING for speaking out against this is to protect themselves, it makes what they are doing less noble, but instead kind of shitty as they are technically taking advantage of it.

 

Also again, I would like to stress: WE HAVE NO CONFIRMATION THAT THESE THREATS ARE EVEN REALLY HAPPENING. In today's age where feminists have flat out LIED About rape and death threats and been caught, and LGBT movements have lied about hate crimes and shit, we can't just take this at face value. Considering Bioware has a few SJWs working for them (one of their employees is a hardcore anti-white BLM "activist"), I'd say it's 100% fair to bring into question their motives with this and question the legitimacy and I think you can agree there. If it comes out that Bioware is just using this to cover their asses that is shameful and a disservice to victims of threats. There is definitely legitimate reason to suspect that is their motive, but then again all the evidence is circumstantial at best. However there would be no evidence at all if they had a better track record.

 

8 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

I understand your viewpoint completely, I just don't agree with it. But as I have stated before EA should have had this game 100% ready to go at launch and this does not excuse them of that fact.

 

Absolutely, here we will probably agree 110%. There is no excuse for a broken game. We merely have different ideals of Bioware's motives with this PR response. I believe there is more evidence to suggest that this is just a PR attempt to deflect criticism, which sadly... Is becoming a common strategy now...

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3 hours ago, KingGuy420 said:

If I ever get to a point where facial animations become a deciding factor in what games I play, that'll be the day I quit gaming.

 

I already think it's ridiculous when people complain about story and graphics in video games, but facial animations? Really? You want something on your ps4 with great facial animations? It's called Netflix.

So this is normal to you?

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4 minutes ago, DaivRules said:

 

Lots of morons I talk to on a daily basis look exactly like this. I don't see the problem, this is definitely normal to me.

Maybe you should talk to new people? I have never even seen a person who looked that way. Looks too fake and the fact that a series as financially backed as this has an npc looking this terrible is inexcusable.

54 minutes ago, Cynthia-Roses said:

 

I implore you to look up Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn, Riley Dennis, etc. This strategy is far from unused and it is pretty obvious to spot. When the OVERWHELMING amount of comments regarding the game are about the quality, and the ONLY thing they respond to is the tiny insignificant minority who issued death threats? That's a red flag.

 

 

It goes without saying that such a thing is terrible, but when there is evidence that Bioware's REASONING for speaking out against this is to protect themselves, it makes what they are doing less noble, but instead kind of shitty as they are technically taking advantage of it.

 

Also again, I would like to stress: WE HAVE NO CONFIRMATION THAT THESE THREATS ARE EVEN REALLY HAPPENING. In today's age where feminists have flat out LIED About rape and death threats and been caught, and LGBT movements have lied about hate crimes and shit, we can't just take this at face value. Considering Bioware has a few SJWs working for them (one of their employees is a hardcore anti-white BLM "activist"), I'd say it's 100% fair to bring into question their motives with this and question the legitimacy and I think you can agree there. If it comes out that Bioware is just using this to cover their asses that is shameful and a disservice to victims of threats. There is definitely legitimate reason to suspect that is their motive, but then again all the evidence is circumstantial at best. However there would be no evidence at all if they had a better track record.

 

 

Absolutely, here we will probably agree 110%. There is no excuse for a broken game. We merely have different ideals of Bioware's motives with this PR response. I believe there is more evidence to suggest that this is just a PR attempt to deflect criticism, which sadly... Is becoming a common strategy now...

Sorry but I fully believe that there are gamers making these threats. Look at the threats that Jim sterling recieved due to rating the new Zelda game a 7/10. People told him to choke on bleach, criticising his weight as well as his intellect when in fact their rants had no real facts backing up there statements. I understand there are the few that come out crying about fake threats however I don't feel this is the case in this situation. This is a case of closet gamers who don't get enough social interaction making absurd and ridiculous threats. (I am one of these gamers however even I feel making threats of this nature as simply revolting and absolutely inexcusable.) No matter where you look the few always make the many look poorly. I feel you are just blaming the wrong people in this instance. 

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12 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

Sorry but I fully believe that there are gamers making these threats.

 

Oh I am at least under the impression it's a possibility, however I do not believe it was enough to warrant a response. Also some people have a tendency to exaggerate "threats". So I am sure some nasty comments were made at the very least, but I operate mostly on evidence.

 

Jim Sterling is a whole other issue though. Jim had no reason to lie. He had nothing to gain by the accusations of threats, Bioware sort of does. It helps distract from their terrible quality product.

 

14 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

criticising his weight as well as his intellect when in fact their rants had no real facts backing up there statements.

 

Actually though the MAJOR difference between Jim Sterling and Bioware here is how they responded. Bioware responded by going "we're not going to fix it and look death threats!" trying to deflect. Jim Sterling responded by making a video BACKING UP his complaints about the game FIRST AND FOREMOST and responded to the death threats after. Jim handled it correctly, Bioware isn't. His complaint about Breath of the Wild was primarily its weapon durability system and he definitely backed it up with his follow up video. I implore you to watch it before you claim he had nothing to back up his statements. He responded first and foremost to the criticisms of his review and didn't use the fact that a few people sent him threats to dismiss all opposition like Bioware is sort of doing because as it stands they STILL have yet to respond to the VALID criticisms of the game.

 

17 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

This is a case of closet gamers who don't get enough social interaction making absurd and ridiculous threats. (I am one of these gamers however even I feel making threats of this nature as simply revolting and absolutely inexcusable.)

 

But the thing is these people make up such a minority and do this EVERY time anything happens that they shouldn't even be focused on. The only thing to gain from focusing on them is distraction.

 

17 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

No matter where you look the few always make the many look poorly. I feel you are just blaming the wrong people in this instance. 

 

I disagree. I blame BOTH the people making the threats and Bioware. I blame both guilty parties. The people making the threats goes without saying it's shitty. It's double shitty because it creates scapegoats for Bioware to weasel out of admitting they shipped a shitty product, but it's also shitty that Bioware is going for the low hanging fruit thinking this will somehow make them look better.

 

If Bioware was TRULY 100% not trying to use this to fuel an agenda would you not agree that this makes no sense to NOT respond to the legitimate criticisms AT ALL and ONLY focus on this? This at the VERY LEAST has to at least make you slightly suspicious does it not? Like there are hundreds of other complaints about this game, legitimate real complaints, big ones that have gained far more popularity than death threats, but they focus on something that happens ALL THE TIME by the few crazies out there and will ALWAYS happen instead of those? Doesn't that make you slightly curious as to why? ESPECIALLY when they have so much to gain by doing this, and it CONVENIENTLY paints criticizers as deranged sociopaths? Don't you find that oddly convenient that it benefits them to talk about this, and this is the only thing they are talking about?

 

There may not be much hardcore proof, but I don't believe in a long series of coincidences.

 

I don't believe that Bioware CONVENIENTLY is ignoring real criticism in favor of this which benefits them by painting an image of criticizers being insane. I find that a LITTLE too convenient for them.

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45 minutes ago, serialkilla1987 said:

Maybe you should talk to new people? I have never even seen a person who looked that way. Looks too fake and the fact that a series as financially backed as this has an npc looking this terrible is inexcusable.

 

I'm so sad that people can't joke in this thread. Or that it has to be spelled out that a post is a joke. :(

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1 hour ago, DaivRules said:

 

Lots of morons I talk to on a daily basis look exactly like this. I don't see the problem, this is definitely normal to me.

 

I have a coworker that gives me that look on a daily basis. 

 

Me: "K did you get the CPR over to NAVFAC".

 

K: Blank stare. 

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2 hours ago, Cynthia-Roses said:

 

Oh I am at least under the impression it's a possibility, however I do not believe it was enough to warrant a response. Also some people have a tendency to exaggerate "threats". So I am sure some nasty comments were made at the very least, but I operate mostly on evidence.

 

Jim Sterling is a whole other issue though. Jim had no reason to lie. He had nothing to gain by the accusations of threats, Bioware sort of does. It helps distract from their terrible quality product.

 

 

Actually though the MAJOR difference between Jim Sterling and Bioware here is how they responded. Bioware responded by going "we're not going to fix it and look death threats!" trying to deflect. Jim Sterling responded by making a video BACKING UP his complaints about the game FIRST AND FOREMOST and responded to the death threats after. Jim handled it correctly, Bioware isn't. His complaint about Breath of the Wild was primarily its weapon durability system and he definitely backed it up with his follow up video. I implore you to watch it before you claim he had nothing to back up his statements. He responded first and foremost to the criticisms of his review and didn't use the fact that a few people sent him threats to dismiss all opposition like Bioware is sort of doing because as it stands they STILL have yet to respond to the VALID criticisms of the game.

 

 

But the thing is these people make up such a minority and do this EVERY time anything happens that they shouldn't even be focused on. The only thing to gain from focusing on them is distraction.

 

 

I disagree. I blame BOTH the people making the threats and Bioware. I blame both guilty parties. The people making the threats goes without saying it's shitty. It's double shitty because it creates scapegoats for Bioware to weasel out of admitting they shipped a shitty product, but it's also shitty that Bioware is going for the low hanging fruit thinking this will somehow make them look better.

 

If Bioware was TRULY 100% not trying to use this to fuel an agenda would you not agree that this makes no sense to NOT respond to the legitimate criticisms AT ALL and ONLY focus on this? This at the VERY LEAST has to at least make you slightly suspicious does it not? Like there are hundreds of other complaints about this game, legitimate real complaints, big ones that have gained far more popularity than death threats, but they focus on something that happens ALL THE TIME by the few crazies out there and will ALWAYS happen instead of those? Doesn't that make you slightly curious as to why? ESPECIALLY when they have so much to gain by doing this, and it CONVENIENTLY paints criticizers as deranged sociopaths? Don't you find that oddly convenient that it benefits them to talk about this, and this is the only thing they are talking about?

 

There may not be much hardcore proof, but I don't believe in a long series of coincidences.

 

I don't believe that Bioware CONVENIENTLY is ignoring real criticism in favor of this which benefits them by painting an image of criticizers being insane. I find that a LITTLE too convenient for them.

I think you took what I meant incorrectly. I was supporting Jim sterling on it not dogging him. But again we will just have to agree to disagree. I understand you feel it may not be warranted but if even one threat happened I feel they are in the clear. Whether exaggerated or not a death threat is a death threat and the same with a rape threat. At the end of the day we agree that the game should have been completed on launch and it is not. How they react to threats is what I'm discussing where as you are discussing how they react to reviews and critiques. Jim sterling handled himself wonderfully to all the trolling recieved. However on this case it feels like you are trolling bioware for releasing an incomplete game(which it is) rather than considering that maybe this reaction to threats could be a completely different thing then then just trying to push the focus away from their shitty game.

1 hour ago, DaivRules said:

 

I'm so sad that people can't joke in this thread. Or that it has to be spelled out that a post is a joke. :(

I apologize, I did not realize it was a joke. Hard to pick up on a sarcastic tone when it is words written on a forum rather then someone actually talking. It's like picking up emotions in text messages without emojis.

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On ٢١‏/٣‏/٢٠١٧ at 0:11 PM, KingGuy420 said:

If I ever get to a point where facial animations become a deciding factor in what games I play, that'll be the day I quit gaming.

 

I already think it's ridiculous when people complain about story and graphics in video games, but facial animations? Really? You want something on your ps4 with great facial animations? It's called Netflix.

 

it's an RPG, and story is so important in RPG's.

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